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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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SLUDGE FACTORY
How do you think the killing of a terrorist ....or freedom fighter some might say .....by a leader who doesn't want Palestinians given a home .....will lead to some sort of compromise?
It's just going to create many more martyrs and more attacks by extremists on people at musical festivals
It might not happen this year but it will happen
I love how the man who cannot talk about the main centre-right party in the UK without labelling people scum is all "one mans terrorist is another man's freedom fighter!" when it comes to the murderous freak Sinwar. Of course, that sentiment is correct but Christ alive you are inconsistent!
You had a bit of a rant at me last night for hoping his death may prove a turning point...but that is pretty much what Harris, Biden and Starmer have said so it doesn't seem unreasonable to me
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...eath-reactions
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...easefire-calls
https://www.gbnews.com/politics/poli...ive-leadership
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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JamesWales
You are incredibly naive. After the murder of this man Sinwar many many more will rise up to take his place. The loss of life in the Middle East will only rise significantly.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Dorcus
Likud need Hamas as an excuse to create a Greater Israel. If they are allowed to pursue their clandestine aims by the appeasing West, Netanyahu might eventually annexe Lebanon, Syria and Jordan. Who knows, with US backing they might consider Iran fair game for conquest.
There are some who feel that Israeli government's have funded Hamas to maintain an environment that allows them to strengthen opinion to pursue their own aims of Greater Israel.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Dorcus
You are incredibly naive. After the murder of this man Sinwar many many more will rise up to take his place. The loss of life in the Middle East will only rise significantly.
That assumes that every war is perpetual and never had turning points. And that isn't true.
There's no nativity. It could be a turning point.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Jordi Culé
There are some who feel that Israeli government's have funded Hamas to maintain an environment that allows them to strengthen opinion to pursue their own aims of Greater Israel.
Think you meant to post this in the conspiracy theory thread? It is a great example of a left-wing one btw, which some denied existed!
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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JamesWales
That assumes that every war is perpetual and never had turning points. And that isn't true.
There's no nativity. It could be a turning point.
It's more than naivety, it's childlike! You've obviously been reading Children's Stories by Uncle Bibi Netanyahu.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Jordi Culé
If the murderous cuunt got topped in the next few weeks there really could be an opportunity for change in the region.
I've held the view for years that the Likud Party and it's other zionist parties need Hamas and vice versa.
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JamesWales
Think you meant to post this in the conspiracy theory thread? It is a great example of a left-wing one btw, which some denied existed!
Likud have been open about their promotion (and funding) of Hamas for more than 20 years - to undermine Fatah.
It is no secret. The western liberal media have even started reporting on it (and quoting Bibi and other Likud leaders) in recent months.
This is real. Not a theory.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
There are some who feel that Israeli government's have funded Hamas to maintain an environment that allows them to strengthen opinion to pursue their own aims of Greater Israel.
I can't claim to have any proof of that but it certainly sounds very plausible. The level of naivety, compliance and partisanship of the West leaves me cold.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Dorcus
It's more than naivety, it's childlike! You've obviously been reading Children's Stories by Uncle Bibi Netanyahu.
Hmm, shall I believe the world leaders in the world media on this, or the guy on the football message board?
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
Likud have been open about their promotion (and funding) of Hamas for more than 20 years - to undermine Fatah.
It is no secret. The western liberal media have even started reporting on it (and quoting Bibi and other Likud leaders) in recent months.
This is real. Not a theory.
Don't dispute it, but as a means to play people off against each other. Much the same way as the US funded Afghan Islamists against the Soviets.
To suggest it's to create a greater Israel right across the middle East - that's a conspiracy theory. As with them all, there may be elements of truth in it but it's also not reality.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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JamesWales
Hmm, shall I believe the world leaders in the world media on this, or the guy on the football message board?
Hmm! Knowing you, you are likely to believe the Tooth Fairy!
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Dorcus
Hmm! Knowing you, you are likely to believe the Tooth Fairy!
No, we've established that I'm opting with the world leaders on this one, instead of the guy on the football message board.
How much you leaving for a tooth nowadays?!
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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JamesWales
No, we've established that I'm opting with the world leaders on this one, instead of the guy on the football message board.
How much you leaving for a tooth nowadays?!
I don't think we've established anything at all. I'm not aware of your opting for the Leader of Iran for example! Are you skimming things again or just bogged down reading too much Harry Potter?
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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JamesWales
No, we've established that I'm opting with the world leaders on this one, instead of the guy on the football message board.
How much you leaving for a tooth nowadays?!
Sorry I missed your aside. In your case maybe I should leave a Shekel
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Dorcus
Sorry I missed your aside. In your case maybe I should leave a Shekel
Of no use to me I'm afraid, I don't live in Israel!
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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JamesWales
Don't dispute it, but as a means to play people off against each other. Much the same way as the US funded Afghan Islamists against the Soviets.
To suggest it's to create a greater Israel right across the middle East - that's a conspiracy theory. As with them all, there may be elements of truth in it but it's also not reality.
The particular version of political Zionism that Likud and their allies (some fascist) are pushing is exactly to create a Greater Israel across Israel/Palestine and parts of Jordan, Lebanon and Syria.
Again they are not shy about it - it is part of the public discourse in Israel.
Divide and rule. Settlement expansion. Ethnic cleansing. Genocide. Funding and promoting Hamas. All part of the same process.
Not a conspiracy theory.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
The particular version of political Zionism that Likud and their allies (some fascist) are pushing is exactly to create a Greater Israel across Israel/Palestine and parts of Jordan, Lebanon and Syria.
Again they are not shy about it - it is part of the public discourse in Israel.
Divide and rule. Settlement expansion. Ethnic cleansing. Genocide. Funding and promoting Hamas. All part of the same process.
Not a conspiracy theory.
Dorcus mentioned the entirety of those countries earlier and even Iran.
There is no evidence for that whatsoever. And again, we see that when it is one side, it is fair game to create as fact something that simply isn't so.
We know there are border disputes, we know Israel are very aggressive in defending them and expanding beyond them. The idea of greater Israel stretching from Mt Sinai to Tehran. I'm sorry, it's a conspiracy theory.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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JamesWales
Of no use to me I'm afraid, I don't live in Israel!
Possibly spiritually, no?
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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JamesWales
Dorcus mentioned the entirety of those countries earlier and even Iran.
There is no evidence for that whatsoever. And again, we see that when it is one side, it is fair game to create as fact something that simply isn't so.
We know there are border disputes, we know Israel are very aggressive in defending them and expanding beyond them. The idea of greater Israel stretching from Mt Sinai to Tehran. I'm sorry, it's a conspiracy theory.
How could you possibly know otherwise?
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
How could you possibly know otherwise?
The same can be said about absolutely anything referring to the future.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Dorcus mentioned the entirety of those countries earlier and even Iran.
There is no evidence for that whatsoever. And again, we see that when it is one side, it is fair game to create as fact something that simply isn't so.
We know there are border disputes, we know Israel are very aggressive in defending them and expanding beyond them. The idea of greater Israel stretching from Mt Sinai to Tehran. I'm sorry, it's a conspiracy theory.
No hay ningunos qué son tan ciegos qué ellos qué no quiesen ver
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
The same can be said about absolutely anything referring to the future.
Complacency makes slaves of us all
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
No hay ningunos qué son tan ciegos qué ellos qué no quiesen ver
Again, right out of the conspiracy theory play book.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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JamesWales
Again, right out of the conspiracy theory play book.
Again, incomprehensibly myopic as usual. Do you get tucked up in bed each night by someone reading right wing fairy stories to you?
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Dorcus
No hay ningunos qué son tan ciegos qué ellos qué no quiesen ver
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Dorcus
Again, incomprehensibly myopic as usual. Do you get tucked up in bed each night by someone reading right wing fairy stories to you?
"They just can't see it man!"
Mental how you can't see that you sound exactly like the conspiracy theorists you are criticising on this thread here.
Bonkers. I thought you were joking when you mentioned the tooth fairy earlier. Im starting to think you feel she's a mossad agent.
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...iracy-theories
