Crowds banned from all sporting events in Wales for foreseeable future

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Doing it just to be different from Westminster…..so blimmim obvious

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Does every other govt across the UK and Europe taking a different approach to the UK govt do so just to be different?

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Originally Posted by dml1954

And now we have the final nail in Drakefords metaphorical ‘coffin’. Scientists are now advising the Premier League NOT to close stadiums due to the emerging data on Omicron and the lack of evidence that Covid is spread easily in outdoor settings. How is Drakeford going to get out of this without looking stupid ?

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But it’s not just about outdoor settings. It’s the travel, the concourse, the pub afterwards… I’m not saying the Welsh Govt got it right with this decision, but it’s not as simple as does it spread easily outside.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

I can imagine a large percentage of Welsh folk will take the opposite view - look at those buffoons in England while Mark Drakeford is keeping us safe in Wales. Sadly, along with matters non-Covid as well, it is all bout being 'not England'. The more opportunities given to the Welsh Assembly to act differrently, the stronger the Toytown Govt. becomes.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

This has just reinforced my opinion that the poorly thought out measures just introduced by Drakeford have absolutely nothing to do with Covid itself and the severity of the new variant and are just designed partly to try to force people to get the booster quickly but mainly to protect the NHS which is struggling to deal with the existing admissions for usual winter diseases and the backlog of other cases caused by the earlier more serious Covid variants. Whilst the latter objective obviously has merit in respect of taking pressure off NHS staff, this is a slippery slope as every year the NHS faces exactly the same pressures, pandemic or not. Cue Mr Drakeford every December trying to introduce similar measures to restrict population movement and lifestyles, just because the NHS is busy.

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Earlier variants were not necessarily ‘more serious’, this one has greater escape and is more transmissible even if it is less likely to cause serious illness. The potential pressures faced by the NHS in the month ahead are not ‘usual winter pressures’.

You think the current measures would be used by the current Welsh Government outside a pandemic scenario because of ‘usual winter pressures’? Really?

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Except it has nothing to do with being ‘not England’. Why the focus on such a suggestion? It’s about a democratically elected Welsh govt trying to do the right thing for Wales. Agree or disagree with their calls, but better to discuss the issues and policies instead of the ‘not England’ nonsense.

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Originally Posted by superflyblues

Except it has nothing to do with being ‘not England’. Why the focus on such a suggestion? It’s about a democratically elected Welsh govt trying to do the right thing for Wales. Agree or disagree with their calls, but better to discuss the issues and policies instead of the ‘not England’ nonsense.

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So why do Welsh government ministers keep comparing their COVID-19 policies with what the UK government is doing in England?

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Originally Posted by superflyblues

But it’s not just about outdoor settings. It’s the travel, the concourse, the pub afterwards… I’m not saying the Welsh Govt got it right with this decision, but it’s not as simple as does it spread easily outside.

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This is the way I interpreted it. To get to most outdoor events that attract many people it’s inevitable that at one stage of your journey to & from and even at the venue prior to reaching the ‘outdoor’ section you’re going to be mass mixing indoors. You don’t close your front door and then suddenly appear outside at the event, many would, perhaps, have the opinion that it’s a quite well thought out strategy.

Saying that, I still wish the game was on today, although wasn’t it postponed before the Senedd announcement due to players testing positive?

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This is the way I interpreted it. To get to most outdoor events that attract many people it’s inevitable that at one stage of your journey to & from and even at the venue prior to reaching the ‘outdoor’ section you’re going to be mass mixing indoors. You don’t close your front door and then suddenly appear outside at the event, many would, perhaps, have the opinion that it’s a quite well thought out strategy.

Saying that, I still wish the game was on today, although wasn’t it postponed before the Senedd announcement due to players testing positive?

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it was postponed the day before i believe, nobody told radio wales though:xmasthumbup:

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

I can imagine a large percentage of Welsh folk will take the opposite view - look at those buffoons in England while Mark Drakeford is keeping us safe in Wales. Sadly, along with matters non-Covid as well, it is all bout being 'not England'. The less opportunities given to the Welsh Assembly to act differrently, the stronger the Toytown Govt. becomes.

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it really does look like its " we are different / independant to Westminster " of course he knows Welsh labour are the only party in Wales and people will automatically vote for them every time

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So why do Welsh government ministers keep comparing their COVID-19 policies with what the UK government is doing in England?

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They don’t. But a lot of journos ask questions about differences between Cardiff Bay and Westminster policy and they have to provide an answer. WG don’t decide what the media companies decide to use from their pressers.

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Originally Posted by superflyblues

It’s about a democratically elected Welsh govt trying to do the right thing for Wales.

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And they're failing. Consistently.

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Originally Posted by blue matt

it really does look like its " we are different / independant to Westminster " of course he knows Welsh labour are the only party in Wales and people will automatically vote for them every time

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So Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales all take a similar approach, Westminster takes a different approach, but it’s Wales trying to be different from Westminster? Why have this same argument over and over, it goes nowhere. They are all doing what they think is right and what they think they can achieve given the make up and views of their cabinet, backbenchers and wider parties. That’s how politics works.

The Westminster govt may well announce additional restrictions in the coming days, brining them closer to the other UK governments.

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And they're failing. Consistently.

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Good job we have a democracy in Wales then. When Wales was failed for generation after generation from Westminster, there was bugger all the people of Wales could do about it. If Wales wants policy change now, they can vote for it.

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Originally Posted by superflyblues

Good job we have a democracy in Wales then.

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What has democracy got to do with the consistent failure of the Welsh government to do the best thing for the Welsh public?

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What has democracy got to do with the consistent failure of the Welsh government to do the best thing for the Welsh public?

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The consistent failure viewpoint is likely not shared by sufficient numbers to bring about change. The point I was making was that at least we have a mechanism now to make change happen in Wales in devolved policy areas if sufficient numbers vote for change.

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The consistent failure viewpoint is likely not shared by sufficient numbers to bring about change.

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That is likely. But then we're living in a country that voted for Brexit.

Germany, Finland, Spain, France, Portugal, Netherlands etc are all implementing restrictions that are either the same or stricter than we have in Wales, that's what i've read, if i'm correct and that's without checking on other European countries. Is their an over reaction from these nations and their governments as well. Obviously, most of us here are UK based, but i don't think that we can ignore the fact that other countries are going as hard or harder than Wales.

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That is likely. But then we're living in a country that voted for Brexit.

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Therein lies the real problem...

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Germany, Finland, Spain, France, Portugal, Netherlands etc are all implementing restrictions that are either the same or stricter than we have in Wales, that's what i've read, if i'm correct and that's without checking on other European countries. Is their an over reaction from these nations and their governments as well. Obviously, most of us here are UK based, but i don't think that we can ignore the fact that other countries are going as hard or harder than Wales.

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Errrrmmmm…. ‘Covid Omicron: European nations reinstate restrictions’ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59747689

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Erm…. Covid Omicron: European nations reinstate restrictions https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59747689

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Maybe they're all over reacting.

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Maybe they're all over reacting.

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Maybe the leaders of those respective countries are not being held to account by a number of MPs that do not want any restrictions implemented at all and got their leader by his tiny bollocks?

Additionally, just maybe those respective leaders are not narcissistic twaats who don't mind making tough decisions for the good of their populations instead of being more worried about looking like a Christmas Grinch?

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Maybe the leaders of those respective countries are not being held to account by a number of MPs that do not want any restrictions implemented at all and got their leader by his tiny bollocks?

Additionally, just maybe those respective leaders are not narcissistic twaats who don't mind making tough decisions for the good of their populations instead of being more worried about looking like a Christmas Grinch?

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Great analysis and I might add maybe some of those respective leaders care more about their people's health and welfare rather than the way they are destined to vote.

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

Maybe the leaders of those respective countries are not being held to account by a number of MPs that do not want any restrictions implemented at all and got their leader by his tiny bollocks?

Additionally, just maybe those respective leaders are not narcissistic twaats who don't mind making tough decisions for the good of their populations instead of being more worried about looking like a Christmas Grinch?

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Yup, i agree.:xmasthumbup:

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

Maybe the leaders of those respective countries are not being held to account by a number of MPs that do not want any restrictions implemented at all and got their leader by his tiny bollocks?

Additionally, just maybe those respective leaders are not narcissistic twaats who don't mind making tough decisions for the good of their populations instead of being more worried about looking like a Christmas Grinch?

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Is there any reason for the vitriol? 'Narcissistic twaats'(sic) 'tiny bollox'? Its comments like that that have made this board so offensive.
I have no idea who is right and who is wrong but isn't it better to see how things start to pan out before blaming someone for
something that hasn't yet happened?
The argument of those against the stricter policy in wales point to the evidence that the new variant is less deadly and less likely to hospitalise than the previous, and when asked for the figures to justify his call Drakeford either couldn't or wouldn't produce them.
As for the continental countries, they are further behind the curve than UK, have no way to control their borders and have in general far smaller a percentage of populations vaccine protected. All these things give people pause for thought and to question why certain things happen.
But don't let that get in the way of slagging off the government, you do it in almost every other thread you join. Enjoy your christmas.

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Is there any reason for the vitriol? 'Narcissistic twaats'(sic) 'tiny bollox'? Its comments like that that have made this board so offensive.
I have no idea who is right and who is wrong but isn't it better to see how things start to pan out before blaming someone for
something that hasn't yet happened?
The argument of those against the stricter policy in wales point to the evidence that the new variant is less deadly and less likely to hospitalise than the previous, and when asked for the figures to justify his call Drakeford either couldn't or wouldn't produce them.
As for the continental countries, they are further behind the curve than UK, have no way to control their borders and have in general far smaller a percentage of populations vaccine protected. All these things give people pause for thought and to question why certain things happen.
But don't let that get in the way of slagging off the government, you do it in almost every other thread you join. Enjoy your christmas.

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Stop crying about bad language you massive fuucking wuss.

It's a message board not a monastery.

Hope you've had a good Christmas too.