The Queen is dead. Confirmed at 6.30 by Buckingham Palace

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

I’m assuming by your attitude, none of your family have been in the armed forces then ?

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Originally Posted by 79blue

As a person who served 6 years in the army and whose father was in the RAF for 22 years, I do not give a toss for the monarchy. Yes, an elderly woman in her 90’s has died, but that is a matter for her family. My oath of allegiance was for the period of my service, as I have got older, more world weary and cynical, the more republican I have become.

In my previous role as a paramedic I have come across many elderly people who are neglected and who have died in their homes in horrific personal circumstance. Many being found lying in their bodily fluids for days unnoticed. Nobody but their closest family mourning them, if they were lucky. So I don’t shed any tears for a rich and powerful woman who has had a lifestyle that few could only dream of.

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Fair play, huge respect. I've never understood your average squaddie's passion for the monarchy and all things right wing. It's refreshing to get a more sensible view on the matter.

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Originally Posted by 79blue

As a person who served 6 years in the army and whose father was in the RAF for 22 years, I do not give a toss for the monarchy. Yes, an elderly woman in her 90’s has died, but that is a matter for her family. My oath of allegiance was for the period of my service, as I have got older, more world weary and cynical, the more republican I have become.

In my previous role as a paramedic I have come across many elderly people who are neglected and who have died in their homes in horrific personal circumstance. Many being found lying in their bodily fluids for days unnoticed. Nobody but their closest family mourning them, if they were lucky. So I don’t shed any tears for a rich and powerful woman who has had a lifestyle that few could only dream of.

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I'm not sure many would dream of her lifestyle, as you put it.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Your viewpoint is poles apart from mine I’m afraid but then again I’m not as cynical as you.

I’m not going to shed any tears either, but I’m sad that she has passed away and don’t understand why people have to be abusive towards the subject.

If you don’t like the former Queen or the Monarchy, fine , but that should be for another time or at the very least in a separate subject matter.

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You are seeing this as very black or white. You can like them and not think things that people enjoy should be cancelled. You can like them and not think there should be some state mandated mourning process. You could even be a republican but feel that while we have a royal family we should have state mandated mourning.

I will always think it is weird to mourn somebody you don't know personally, grief to me is a persons way of coping with somebody not having a familiar effect on their life anymore, I dont see how people can feel so connected to the queen (or a footballer, popstar, movie star etc.). If somebody doesn't like me not mourning, then I will tell them what I think. I don't think many people are going out there looking to upset people who are mourning/upset.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

I'm not sure many would dream of her lifestyle, as you put it.

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People spend their lives trying to accrue power and wealth and she has more than any of them could ever dream of, I am pretty sure a lot of people would ****ing love to be king or queen.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Starmer disappointed me; just currying favour

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What exactly was he supposed to do. Corbyn would have had the black suit and tie on and done exactly the same, so would any politician.

The Monarchy, religion, for people that can’t face real life and are searching for someone to worship. Sad really

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Fair play, huge respect. I've never understood your average squaddie's passion for the monarchy and all things right wing. It's refreshing to get a more sensible view on the matter.

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I’m referring to the Royal Navy , what persuasion the “average squaddie” has, I have no idea , but thanks for your stereo- type view.

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Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927

The Monarchy, religion, for people that can’t face real life and are searching for someone to worship. Sad really

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It’s a strange world we live in. Character like David Icke preaches absolute gobbledeegook, and quite rightly gets thought of as a bit of a nut job. Priest on the radio today talking about the Queen being delivered to God, and other ridiculous religious guff, and nobody blinks an eyelid.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

I’m assuming by your attitude, none of your family have been in the armed forces then ?

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My old man was in the British army guarding the sue canal

But he wasn't a royalist

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Most arms forces people I know , my family included swear allegiance to the Queen and most I know of are respectful of her passing.

I don’t think anyone is distraught though, are they, apart from the usual sheep types who support “The Current Thing”

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It's just a dear old lady dying , the reaction is embarrassing, same as when Diana died

The people crying and wailing won't be as quick to help out the homeless the poor and the starving

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Originally Posted by blue matt

Are they doing you ( or anybody else ) any harm ? ? ? the answer is no, so let them get on with it, if they want to cry, let them, if they want to mourn and walk around with a black armband on, let them, if they want to get the train down to Buck House and lay some flowers, let them, they are not harming / offending anyone

its easy enough to ignore it, just turn the TV / radio off ( though I also get it will also give people less to moan about ) we will miss 2 weekends of sport, big deal, do something else with your time

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Up yours

It's day two and the only thing on the telly is people trying to get in front of the cameras to have their 5 minutes of fame

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Originally Posted by blue matt

you could turn the TV off and not watch The leader of the Liberal Democrats talking about the country loss, or many of the foreign leaders paying respect etc etc thats a fact, Ive not had the TV on all day, Ive gone for a walk with the dogs, popped into town and grabbed a coffee, gone and picked up my daughter from school, not come into anything Royal mourning all day, only mention of it is on here ( which I could of course ignore the thread ) saying that, the mourning doesn't bother me anyway

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Yeah I could put the radio on ......

Hold on a minute

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

From a family of pacifists apparently.

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From a family of fascists

How is this idiot still on here

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Originally Posted by 79blue

As a person who served 6 years in the army and whose father was in the RAF for 22 years, I do not give a toss for the monarchy. Yes, an elderly woman in her 90’s has died, but that is a matter for her family. My oath of allegiance was for the period of my service, as I have got older, more world weary and cynical, the more republican I have become.

In my previous role as a paramedic I have come across many elderly people who are neglected and who have died in their homes in horrific personal circumstance. Many being found lying in their bodily fluids for days unnoticed. Nobody but their closest family mourning them, if they were lucky. So I don’t shed any tears for a rich and powerful woman who has had a lifestyle that few could only dream of.

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Nice one 79

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Yeah I could put the radio on ......

Hold on a minute

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Thank **** for Netflix. And I'm not a big fan of that, but at least I can choose to watch something else instead of weeks of this coverage.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Starmer disappointed me; just currying favour

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He's hopeless

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Yeah I could put the radio on ......

Hold on a minute

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BBC have even cancelled the Leeds gig.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Your viewpoint is poles apart from mine I’m afraid but then again I’m not as cynical as you.

I’m not going to shed any tears either, but I’m sad that she has passed away and don’t understand why people have to be abusive towards the subject.

If you don’t like the former Queen or the Monarchy, fine , but that should be for another time or at the very least in a separate subject matter.

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Absoloute nonsense

People are sending round joke videos on Facebook and twitter

If people are going to do that thing you think .....because you have some link to the military .....so do I.....that everyone should show respect ?

This is all pathetic. A few weeks ago a little girl was shot in Liverpool. That's sad . Old age pensioners not getting care because of this awful awful government . That's bad .

An old lady dying who people didn't know and people are having hysterical reactions ?

Sorry but I think these people are open to ridicule.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Fair play, huge respect. I've never understood your average squaddie's passion for the monarchy and all things right wing. It's refreshing to get a more sensible view on the matter.

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Absolutely

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

I’m referring to the Royal Navy , what persuasion the “average squaddie” has, I have no idea , but thanks for your stereo- type view.

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Navy , Army , Air Force , all pledge to the Queen don't they ?

It's the same sort of thing

2 days after her death and people are still .....sad .......I think that's very odd

How long is it going to take you to get over this ?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Absoloute nonsense

People are sending round joke videos on Facebook and twitter

If people are going to do that thing you think .....because you have some link to the military .....so do I.....that everyone should show respect ?

This is all pathetic. A few weeks ago a little girl was shot in Liverpool. That's sad . Old age pensioners not getting care because of this awful awful government . That's bad .

An old lady dying who people didn't know and people are having hysterical reactions ?

Sorry but I think these people are open to ridicule.

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Who is having hysterical reactions , I don’t know of anyone , but then again I don’t watch BBC or mainstream news.

If you watch those programs then that’s your own fault, you know how they sensationalise everything.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Who is having hysterical reactions , I don’t know of anyone , but then again I don’t watch BBC or mainstream news.

If you watch those programs then that’s your own fault, you know how they sensationalise everything.

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Loads of people on social media , radio and TV, talking about the death of someone they never met as if its their wife or

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

I’m assuming by your attitude, none of your family have been in the armed forces then ?

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

What exactly was he supposed to do. Corbyn would have had the black suit and tie on and done exactly the same, so would any politician.

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I cherish the fervent expectation that JC would have toned it down a bit.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

I cherish the fervent expectation that JC would have toned it down a bit.

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Jeremy Corbyn’s twitter comment on the death of Elizabeth II:

‘My thoughts are with the Queen’s family as they come to terms with their personal loss, as well as those here and around the world who will mourn her death.

I enjoyed discussing our families, gardens and jam-making with her.

May she rest in peace.’

Brief, respectful but concerned with the person not the institution.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Jeremy Corbyn’s twitter comment on the death of Elizabeth II:

‘My thoughts are with the Queen’s family as they come to terms with their personal loss, as well as those here and around the world who will mourn her death.

I enjoyed discussing our families, gardens and jam-making with her.

May she rest in peace.’

Brief, respectful but concerned with the person not the institution.

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Perfect, only people with a problem with the singer, not the song, could be critical of that.