Police commissioner requests 'immediate review' of decision to ban Maccabi Tel Aviv fans

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Incredible, isn't it? There have always been loads of Union Jacks hanging from lampposts and bridges all over the UK. What's happening now has been happening for decades. It's a completely normal situation.

Oh, hang on a minute...

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It may seem a bit daft some folk getting a bit patriotic and arsey and starting to hang their own flags and colours up, but it wasn’t that long ago that the likes of you, me and hundreds of other City fans spat our dummies out and stopped going to support the team we love, because the new owner who kept us out of the courts and invested some of his own money in had the audacity to change our colours from blue to red.
People can be strange at times.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Why are you saying that minorities aren't represented by the Union Flag, the English flag, the Welsh flag etc? They are.

That's my issue. Your argument that it doesn't represent them has far deeper and longer term consequences. Its a far more divisive stance than someone putting up a flag.

The argument to push, in my opinion, is that the flag *does* represent everyone.

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Go ask everyone at Tommy Robinson's latest march if that's how they feel. Before they all scuttle off to their individual places to continue to spew bile, incite hatred and intimidate minorities.

Alternatively watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez1cn8d28_8

The sudden rise of flying the flag from windows, lampposts, bridges being an inclusive thing is quite the take.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

It may seem a bit daft some folk getting a bit patriotic and arsey and starting to hang their own flags and colours up, but it wasn’t that long ago that the likes of you, me and hundreds of other City fans spat our dummies out and stopped going to support the team we love, because the new owner who kept us out of the courts and invested some of his own money in had the audacity to change our colours from blue to red.
People can be strange at times.

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What a comparison :facepalm::facepalm:

It would be funny if there wasn't real people suffering real repercussions on the back of this shit.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

You may find they are being displayed, like all flags, for a variety of different reasons and interpreted by different people for a variety of different reasons.

Why do you think they are being displayed?

It's new, I'll grant you that. It's sociologically interesting, but I think they are displayed for several different reasons.

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James, just for clarity, are you for or against people putting up or waving around flags?

I only ask as my ecstasy influenced memory tells me you had a near breakdown when some non descript Irish rapper waved one about at some concert and you had an apoplexy about it, am I wrong?

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Originally Posted by TheBirchgrovePub

What a comparison :facepalm::facepalm:

It would be funny if there wasn't real people suffering real repercussions on the back of this shit.

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That’s just goes to show how daft i was at the time to get all upset and angry over the colour of a football shirt.

It is weird for someone who’s never flown a flag from their linepost or decided to nip out, climb the nearest lamppost and dangle one from there has suddenly had a ‘I know what I’m going to do’ moment. F*cking weirdos I reckon.

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

James, just for clarity, are you for or against people putting up or waving around flags?

I only ask as my ecstasy influenced memory tells me you had a near breakdown when some non descript Irish rapper waved one about at some concert and you had an apoplexy about it, am I wrong?

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It's up to them. I won't insult people for it. I find it an interesting phenomena and predictable too.

The flag in question was a Hezbollah flag. A terrorist group. Literally illegal. Hardly comparable to someone displaying their own national flag.

What do you think?

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Originally Posted by splott parker

It is weird for someone who’s never flown a flag from their linepost or decided to nip out, climb the nearest lamppost and dangle one from there has suddenly had a ‘I know what I’m going to do’ moment. F*cking weirdos I reckon.

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Why are you so insulting and ignorant to it? Me personally, i wouldn’t fly a flag in my garden or put one on a lamppost in my St, but if one of my neighbours flew a Welsh flag, it wouldn’t bother me in the least.
If a number of flags started to appear, without a sporting event taking place, I’d be interested to find out why they were put up? A wild guess would be more and more people think they are being ignored by their own governments, and they see themselves and their problems being ignored, whilst the very same governments pander to every foreign cause, whilst failing to address poverty, lack of housing, rising cost of living, major cuts in public services etc etc in the country they represent.
I’d say letting in 1000’s of illegal migrants is culminating in frustration.
Myself, being born in Wales/Britain, I’ve always thought most regions in the UK to be very welcoming to migrants coming here legally to work and better their lives, and very sympathetic to refugees seeking shelter from war torn regions.
Me personally I’m not keen on gangs of East Europeans arriving here to beg outside supermarkets and participate in crime, or other illegal immigrants arriving here with no intension of contributing to the system.
Does that make me racist ?
We have always had our share of extreme right wing nutters but they are usually swamped by the good folk of the UK and told to f*ck off.
So are we becoming an island of racists, or are more and more people just getting more and more frustrated?

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

It may seem a bit daft some folk getting a bit patriotic and arsey and starting to hang their own flags and colours up, but it wasn’t that long ago that the likes of you, me and hundreds of other City fans spat our dummies out and stopped going to support the team we love, because the new owner who kept us out of the courts and invested some of his own money in had the audacity to change our colours from blue to red. People can be strange at times.

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You evidently can. What a comparison. Genuinely laughable.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Why are you so insulting and ignorant to it? Me personally, i wouldn’t fly a flag in my garden or put one on a lamppost in my St, but if one of my neighbours flew a Welsh flag, it wouldn’t bother me in the least.
If a number of flags started to appear, without a sporting event taking place, I’d be interested to find out why they were put up? A wild guess would be more and more people think they are being ignored by their own governments, and they see themselves and their problems being ignored, whilst the very same governments pander to every foreign cause, whilst failing to address poverty, lack of housing, rising cost of living, major cuts in public services etc etc in the country they represent.
I’d say letting in 1000’s of illegal migrants is culminating in frustration.
Myself, being born in Wales/Britain, I’ve always thought most regions in the UK to be very welcoming to migrants coming here legally to work and better their lives, and very sympathetic to refugees seeking shelter from war torn regions.
Me personally I’m not keen on gangs of East Europeans arriving here to beg outside supermarkets and participate in crime, or other illegal immigrants arriving here with no intension of contributing to the system.
Does that make me racist ?
We have always had our share of extreme right wing nutters but they are usually swamped by the good folk of the UK and told to f*ck off.
So are we becoming an island of racists, or are more and more people just getting more and more frustrated?

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So you wouldn’t find it weird if a neighbour, who’ve you’ve had previous sensible dealings with, was one day climbing a lamppost outside your houses with a flag in his hand? I’d find it very strange and would be concerned about his wellbeing.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

You evidently can. What a comparison. Genuinely laughable.

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That’s your opinion and you are entitled to it. Me I look back and think how daft I was to let the colour of a shirt get me so angry. If you think that’s laughable, then so be it.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

So you wouldn’t find it weird if a neighbour, who’ve you’ve had previous sensible dealings with, was one day climbing a lamppost outside your houses with a flag in his hand? I’d find it very strange and would be concerned about his wellbeing.

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Maybe the difference is, you’d call him a weirdo, whilst I’d want to discuss it with him as to why he was doing it.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

That’s your opinion and you are entitled to it. Me I look back and think how daft I was to let the colour of a shirt get me so angry. If you think that’s laughable, then so be it.

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The attempt at a comparison between the two situations was laughable. But hey, people really are strange...

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Why are you so insulting and ignorant to it? Me personally, i wouldn’t fly a flag in my garden or put one on a lamppost in my St, but if one of my neighbours flew a Welsh flag, it wouldn’t bother me in the least.
If a number of flags started to appear, without a sporting event taking place, I’d be interested to find out why they were put up? A wild guess would be more and more people think they are being ignored by their own governments, and they see themselves and their problems being ignored, whilst the very same governments pander to every foreign cause, whilst failing to address poverty, lack of housing, rising cost of living, major cuts in public services etc etc in the country they represent.
I’d say letting in 1000’s of illegal migrants is culminating in frustration.
Myself, being born in Wales/Britain, I’ve always thought most regions in the UK to be very welcoming to migrants coming here legally to work and better their lives, and very sympathetic to refugees seeking shelter from war torn regions.
Me personally I’m not keen on gangs of East Europeans arriving here to beg outside supermarkets and participate in crime, or other illegal immigrants arriving here with no intension of contributing to the system.
Does that make me racist ?
We have always had our share of extreme right wing nutters but they are usually swamped by the good folk of the UK and told to f*ck off.
So are we becoming an island of racists, or are more and more people just getting more and more frustrated?

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Maybe the difference is, you’d call him a weirdo, whilst I’d want to discuss it with him as to why he was doing it.

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If hes your neighbour it could well be a protest on the East European gangs outside your local supermarket. Sounds terrible. Mine just have old folk waiting for taxis with their shopping.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

ThatÂ’s your opinion and you are entitled to it. Me I look back and think how daft I was to let the colour of a shirt get me so angry. If you think thatÂ’s laughable, then so be it.

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He was never attending another City game again whilst Tan was at the helm. Every chance he got the self important dwarf was outside the CCS in front of TV camera (standing on a foot stool) telling us as much, That was until he had the chance to cozy up to a so-called friends widow and he started attending games again. Shameless.

Nothing as strange as folk.

:hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

The drugs don't work, evidently.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

The reality is that people like you spawn the people you profess to dislike by coming up with divisive and ignorant comments like that.

The irony on the flag shagging comment in this case is not lost too, given one of the cited examples of trouble that Maccabi fans did in Amsterdam was pulling down a Palestine flag. Why is being enraged at that to be applauded, whereas merely displaying your own national flag in your own country so looked down upon by the same people?

Unhinged is certainly one word for it.

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Displaying your own national flag in your own country is a bit ****ing Dull though Jim. It's the equivalent of still having name tags in your clothes just in case you lose them (like in school)

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

James, just for clarity, are you for or against people putting up or waving around flags?

I only ask as my ecstasy influenced memory tells me you had a near breakdown when some non descript Irish rapper waved one about at some concert and you had an apoplexy about it, am I wrong?

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In fairness to Jim Bob, The irish flag being displayed in that incident wasn't done so for "Various reasons" Like people are doing with the Union Jack on Motorway Bridges etc.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Displaying your own national flag in your own country is a bit ****ing Dull though Jim. It's the equivalent of still having name tags in your clothes just in case you lose them (like in school)

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Does it bother you though? Does it make a difference to your life? People are free to do what they want to within reason aren’t they ?
Whether you think it’s daft or not.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

In fairness to Jim Bob, The irish flag being displayed in that incident wasn't done so for "Various reasons" Like people are doing with the Union Jack on Motorway Bridges etc.

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I love the Irish flag. The symbolism behind the colours is great. People have lots of reasons to display flags. You go to some parts of the world and it's very normal to see people's national flag fly - Ireland, USA, Canada, Spain, Basque Country. These aren't negative things, they are expressions of identity.

The lamposts thing is an explosion of identity in my opinion as people feel ignored. That's the most common feeling I sense. I don't really judge on it, this idea that the reasoning, or the feelings people feel is universal is wrong in my opinion, and yeah, anyone saying the national flags don't represent minority groups. That's dangerous (and false) in my opinion and doesn't bode well for the future one bit.

But to clarify: love the Irish flag. I think what Jordi was referring to was the flag of Hezbollah. Something entirely different, and the flag of a terrorist group

“An explosion of identity…”

Good grief.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

“An explosion of identity…”

Good grief.

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I'm sure you have a simpler explanation that you can tell yourself to explain things

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I'm sure you have a simpler explanation that you can tell yourself to explain things

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I'm going to go into the city centre tomorrow, shin up a lamppost and tie a Union Jack to it. I want to feel my identity explode.

To me, one of the funniest elements of the Union Jack thing (and there are several) is you can bet your bottom dollar that a high percentage of the English morons who are tying them to lampposts hate the Scots, the Welsh and the Northern Irish.

At least they haven't been appearing in any numbers in Wales. Not yet anyway.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I'm going to go into the city centre tomorrow, shin up a lamppost and tie a Union Jack to it. I want to feel my identity explode.

To me, one of the funniest elements of the Union Jack thing (and there are several) is you can bet your bottom dollar that a high percentage of the English morons who are tying them to lampposts hate the Scots, the Welsh and the Northern Irish.

At least they haven't been appearing in any numbers in Wales. Not yet anyway.

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Judgy aren't you?!

You make a hell of assumptions, which is probably why your conclusion may be wrong. Not everyone doing something has the exact same views or motivation.

That’s true. But in this instance, I’m very confident that the vast majority of those responsible do.