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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
That’s right, to reduce congestion, traffic fumes etc surely it’s better to keep as many direct main arteries open and use facilities already in place. There’s a huge amount of pedestrianised areas in town, the extra square metres gained by the closure of Castle St is dwarfed by the non traffic areas of Queen St, St Mary St, Working St, The Hayes etc. These places also have the required outlets on tap to provide for patrons. One thing town could with though is a free Wally train, hop on, hop off, would be a great asset to the aged and less mobile. As for Tuerto not sitting on his arse moaning on a messageboard:hehe::hehe: Anyway, what are forums for? No moaners, no forums. It does seem as the council is determined to strangle retail in town and create a massive eating and drinking area, if this is the case it’s a shame for the shoppers who love a day out browsing the stores instead of driving to a soulless out of town centre.
The council aren't trying to strangle retail, a large percentage of their budget comes from business rates and rental. They are trying to push people out of their cars in order to make parts of the centre more attractive to shoppers and tourists. It's a risk for them but one worth taking in my opinion.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
In the interests of balance to this debate, if you want to come from Thornhill in order to get a connection for a bus to Ely, then you would get off at the law courts and then jump on the Ely bus at The Holiday Inn just before the bridge by the Mill stad. Unless there is some kind of transport that can get those that need it from those two points then i do find that unacceptable for those with disabilities of the elderly.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Tuerto
In the interests of balance to this debate, if you want to come from Thornhill in order to get a connection for a bus to Ely, then you would get off at the law courts and then jump on the Ely bus at The Holiday Inn just before the bridge by the Mill stad. Unless there is some kind of transport that can get those that need it from those two points then i do find that unacceptable for those with disabilities of the elderly.
That’s where the Wally bus comes into play, I call it the Wally bus, it’s actually a train that winds its way through the pedestrianised areas picking up and dropping off wherever. We christened it that in Benidorm once when one of a our lot said “Look at all the Wallies on that thing”, we soon changed our minds when we caught it to get around, use the one in Adeje, Tenerife, now as well, marvellous simple idea.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
That’s where the Wally bus comes into play, I call it the Wally bus, it’s actually a train that winds its way through the pedestrianised areas picking up and dropping off wherever. We christened it that in Benidorm once when one of a our lot said “Look at all the Wallies on that thing”, we soon changed our minds when we caught it to get around, use the one in Adeje, Tenerife, now as well, marvellous simple idea.
Sounds like a great idea, it's something that needs to be looked into if people have to make a fair walk to the connecting bus, especially the elderly and disabled, bollocks to parents with kids, they can get a bit wet, do them good :hehe:
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
Here's a current list of places that are signed up, more on the way
Bute & Co
Bwyta Bwyd Bombai (3B Cafe)
Coconut Tree
Dusty Knuckle
Fab Burgers
Grazing Shed
Heavenly Desserts
Marco Pierre White’s
Mowgli Street Food
Wally’s Delicatessen
Wok to Walk
Zero Degrees
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
Loramski
Open tomorrow. I'm assuming the Council aren't just going to wing it but I'm missing something for now.
It wasn't open at lunch time today. Or if it is, nobody was using it. I will check in again tomorrow.
Forming a view on the success or failure of this parasols-in-the-road-sitting-area-for-bars-in-a-different-area idea is sitting far higher in my list of priorities than it probably should be.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
Optimistic Nick
It wasn't open at lunch time today. Or if it is, nobody was using it. I will check in again tomorrow.
Forming a view on the success or failure of this parasols-in-the-road-sitting-area-for-bars-in-a-different-area idea is sitting far higher in my list of priorities than it probably should be.
I think it's opening Friday now. It's 27 degrees on Friday, it'll be a roaring success. They could chuck 30 potato sacks on the floor and say sit there and it'd be a roaring success if it's 27 degrees
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
The council aren't trying to strangle retail, a large percentage of their budget comes from business rates and rental. They are trying to push people out of their cars in order to make parts of the centre more attractive to shoppers and tourists. It's a risk for them but one worth taking in my opinion.
It would be a logical idea to get the public transport right first though, give people a decent option. Solar powered trams into the centre from all main suburbs would be a good start....with hubs on the edge of the city centre to all routes.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
Here's a current list of places that are signed up, more on the way
Bute & Co
Bwyta Bwyd Bombai (3B Cafe)
Coconut Tree
Dusty Knuckle
Fab Burgers
Grazing Shed
Heavenly Desserts
Marco Pierre White’s
Mowgli Street Food
Wally’s Delicatessen
Wok to Walk
Zero Degrees
Sounds alright....got to buy food there have you? Not just a few beers
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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goats
Sounds alright....got to buy food there have you? Not just a few beers
I haven't actually seen anything that specifies one way or another, which makes me think that you can just get a few beers
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
Optimistic Nick
It wasn't open at lunch time today. Or if it is, nobody was using it. I will check in again tomorrow.
Forming a view on the success or failure of this parasols-in-the-road-sitting-area-for-bars-in-a-different-area idea is sitting far higher in my list of priorities than it probably should be.
Me too, don't worry. And my interest in its success or failure should be based on something far deeper than who it's going to annoy on here but it's definitely influencing my thinking for now.
I did come back this morning to say the opening had been delayed till Friday, even though signs were up yesterday saying it would be open today. I think it looks good personally although, as I said, I'm struggling to grasp some elements of how it will work. We'll soon see how it goes.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
Loramski
Me too, don't worry. And my interest in its success or failure should be based on something far deeper than who it's going to annoy on here but it's definitely influencing my thinking for now.
I did come back this morning to say the opening had been delayed till Friday, even though signs were up yesterday saying it would be open today. I think it looks good personally although, as I said, I'm struggling to grasp some elements of how it will work. We'll soon see how it goes.
Apologies, missed it. We could do with a sticky that shows the latest status, and ideally a link to a live webcam showing the area (this sort of thing was all the rage in the noughties).
I've spent far more time thinking about this than I have the second leg tomorrow night.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
goats
It would be a logical idea to get the public transport right first though, give people a decent option. Solar powered trams into the centre from all main suburbs would be a good start....with hubs on the edge of the city centre to all routes.
Completely agree, although i guess that the council are going down the cheaper route to start with, see if what they do canhelp stimulate business etc. Public transport has to be high on the list, make it affordable and viable for all, get people out of their cars as much as possible and make the city a more pleasant and less polluted place to spend time in.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
Optimistic Nick
Apologies, missed it. We could do with a sticky that shows the latest status, and ideally a link to a live webcam showing the area (this sort of thing was all the rage in the noughties).
I've spent far more time thinking about this than I have the second leg tomorrow night.
There's a game tomorrow?
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
Here's a current list of places that are signed up, more on the way
Bute & Co
Bwyta Bwyd Bombai (3B Cafe)
Coconut Tree
Dusty Knuckle
Fab Burgers
Grazing Shed
Heavenly Desserts
Marco Pierre White’s
Mowgli Street Food
Wally’s Delicatessen
Wok to Walk
Zero Degrees
Forbidden Planet not on the list. Gutted.
It'll be interesting to see what criteria is required to sit there and whether or not they will waste more of our council tax on security. I suspect they'll have to. I imagine it will prove popular with pissheads on warm weekend evenings. And they'll bring their own booze.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
Here's a current list of places that are signed up, more on the way
Bute & Co
Bwyta Bwyd Bombai (3B Cafe)
Coconut Tree
Dusty Knuckle
Fab Burgers
Grazing Shed
Heavenly Desserts
Marco Pierre White’s
Mowgli Street Food
Wally’s Delicatessen
Wok to Walk
Zero Degrees
Any idea how it’ll work Delmi, will the outlets that are signed up have staff in the area taking orders from tables or would the customer need to phone the establishment themselves giving a table number?
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Forbidden Planet not on the list. Gutted.
It'll be interesting to see what criteria is required to sit there and whether or not they will waste more of our council tax on security. I suspect they'll have to. I imagine it will prove popular with pissheads on warm weekend evenings. And they'll bring their own booze.
Seeing as South Wales has a fine tradition of nurturing piss heads, it's probably a given, although even standard working people in this region seem pretty proud of their 'piss head' status-'luvs the 'Diff, 'luvs the booze'
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
Any idea how it’ll work Delmi, will the outlets that are signed up have staff in the area taking orders from tables or would the customer need to phone the establishment themselves giving a table number?
Probably App based (that's going to spin a few out) if the food is to be delivered. It's actually not my cup of tea, i wouldn't go for it, although plenty of people will (if they don't i'll be hearing about it) and they'll be spending money in said establishments-hopefully it'll work out well.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
Seeing as South Wales has a fine tradition of nurturing piss heads, it's probably a given, although even standard working people in this region seem pretty proud of their 'piss head' status-'luvs the 'Diff, 'luvs the booze'
I'm just glad the council have stepped forward and created an environment that gives Elevens Bar a chance of surviving the current crisis. By all accounts, the owner's on the breadline and has been working his guts out during the pandemic to earn a few quid. Hopefully, the council's intervention will provide him with some relief and he can start charging people £15 for his burgers again soon.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
Probably App based (that's going to spin a few out) if the food is to be delivered. It's actually not my cup of tea, i wouldn't go for it, although plenty of people will (if they don't i'll be hearing about it) and they'll be spending money in said establishments-hopefully it'll work out well.
That’s a no from me then, unfortunately, not into that app lark, given out bank details to a place that I’m not really sure of for food that I haven’t seen. I know some folk are comfortable with that system but I’m of the persuasion that you square up for a sit down meal after you’ve had it.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
Probably App based (that's going to spin a few out) if the food is to be delivered. It's actually not my cup of tea, i wouldn't go for it, although plenty of people will (if they don't i'll be hearing about it) and they'll be spending money in said establishments-hopefully it'll work out well.
"download our app." No thank you.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
apparently called the yoello app, not familiar with it, but I'm going to give it a go
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
I think it's a webapp so no download needed
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
That’s a no from me then, unfortunately, not into that app lark, given out bank details to a place that I’m not really sure of for food that I haven’t seen. I know some folk are comfortable with that system but I’m of the persuasion that you square up for a sit down meal after you’ve had it.
It's a system called Yoello, I've never heard of it before but from what I can see I think you go to the restaurant, scan a QR Code with your phone (not via an app, via the website) - that then gives you access to the menu, and ability to order and pay. Whether you do that in the restaurant then walk over or do it from the table I have no idea, from the table though probably for social distancing reasons.
Walesonline have confused the issue by sharing a tweet from FORCardiff encouraging people to download the app but their tweet is aimed at getting businesses to sign up, not customers. As far as I can see it's not exactly been explained yet how it'll work for customers, maybe there'll be instruction boards put up or something. It won't be rocket science though.
I think with the seating area not being in the venue I'd imagine you have to pay upfront which rules you out unfortunately. Unless a Pizza Express or somewhere else that you know what you're getting signed up?
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-...-open-18677644
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
"download our app." No thank you.
See my post above about WalesOnline, there is no app for customers, it doesn't even exist on the app store
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
I'm just glad the council have stepped forward and created an environment that gives Elevens Bar a chance of surviving the current crisis. By all accounts, the owner's on the breadline and has been working his guts out during the pandemic to earn a few quid. Hopefully, the council's intervention will provide him with some relief and he can start charging people £15 for his burgers again soon.
Think of the workers...... :hehe:
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"> The new Castle Quarter Café opens on Friday! <br><br>Picturesque view ✅<br>Wide choice of restaurants (including lots of independents) ✅<br>240 outdoor, covered seats ✅<br>Open 7 days a week ✅<br>Track and Trace facility ✅<br>Hand sanitiser available ✅<br><br>More info: <a href="https://t.co/9G54y82MpJ">https://t.co/9G54y82MpJ</a> <a href="https://t.co/46yYhmYXke">pic.twitter.com/46yYhmYXke</a></p>— Cardiff Council (@cardiffcouncil) <a href="https://twitter.com/cardiffcouncil/status/1288534889810272256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
It's a system called Yoello, I've never heard of it before but from what I can see I think you go to the restaurant, scan a QR Code with your phone (not via an app, via the website) - that then gives you access to the menu, and ability to order and pay. Whether you do that in the restaurant then walk over or do it from the table I have no idea, from the table though probably for social distancing reasons.
Walesonline have confused the issue by sharing a tweet from FORCardiff encouraging people to download the app but their tweet is aimed at getting businesses to sign up, not customers. As far as I can see it's not exactly been explained yet how it'll work for customers, maybe there'll be instruction boards put up or something. It won't be rocket science though.
I think with the seating area not being in the venue I'd imagine you have to pay upfront which rules you out unfortunately. Unless a Pizza Express or somewhere else that you know what you're getting signed up?
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-...-open-18677644
Sandwiches & a flask for my party by the looks:hehe:
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
It's a system called Yoello, I've never heard of it before but from what I can see I think you go to the restaurant, scan a QR Code with your phone (not via an app, via the website) - that then gives you access to the menu, and ability to order and pay. Whether you do that in the restaurant then walk over or do it from the table I have no idea, from the table though probably for social distancing reasons.
Walesonline have confused the issue by sharing a tweet from FORCardiff encouraging people to download the app but their tweet is aimed at getting businesses to sign up, not customers. As far as I can see it's not exactly been explained yet how it'll work for customers, maybe there'll be instruction boards put up or something. It won't be rocket science though.
I think with the seating area not being in the venue I'd imagine you have to pay upfront which rules you out unfortunately. Unless a Pizza Express or somewhere else that you know what you're getting signed up?
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-...-open-18677644
Yoello seem to be a Cardiff based software developer. The following info is for the businesses who will be using it - https://www.yoello.com/
How does it work?
By simply scanning a QR code in a venue, a customer can access menus, make an order and pay. There is no need to download an app, and this can be done on any smartphone via any internet browser.
Merchants have a fully customisable profile on Yoello which customers can access to find venue information, menus, promotions and more!
Mobile Ordering made easy.
Yoello is an FCA regulated (Financial Conduct Authority) payment provider, we deliver secure payment solutions through a variety of platforms.
Our App-less Mobile Ordering solution has the lowest transaction fees, helping your business operate safely and efficiently with social distancing through affordable mobile payments and table ordering.
As for Wales Online they are unfortunately a shadow of what they used to be. 'Reporters' are just social media searchers who repost what they find online
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
Michael Morris
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">�� The new Castle Quarter Café opens on Friday! <br><br>Picturesque view ✅<br>Wide choice of restaurants (including lots of independents) ✅<br>240 outdoor, covered seats ✅<br>Open 7 days a week ✅<br>Track and Trace facility ✅<br>Hand sanitiser available ✅<br><br>More info: <a href="https://t.co/9G54y82MpJ">https://t.co/9G54y82MpJ</a> <a href="https://t.co/46yYhmYXke">pic.twitter.com/46yYhmYXke</a></p>— Cardiff Council (@cardiffcouncil) <a href="https://twitter.com/cardiffcouncil/status/1288534889810272256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
To be honest I absolutely love the sound of it, especially on a sunny day
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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delmbox
To be honest I absolutely love the sound of it, especially on a sunny day
Not that many seats there is there?
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
It seems so mad that they've chosen Castle Street when St Mary's seems perfect that there has to be a reason for it. Thinking about it - stick that seating area in the middle of St Mary's St, and with the existing seating areas from the bars and restaurants maybe it wouldn't leave enough room either side for social distancing when walking? That's the only reason I can think of
I made this point when they started this. The seating area could easily be sited in the already pedestrianised areas such as St Mary St Queen St, Hayes etc where the majority of restaurants bars and cafes actually are, but that is no good for the council because it does not give them an excuse to close Castle street AGAIN!!!!
The closing of that street is the nub of all the other problems with buses and businesses losing customers and the council know it but the don't care!
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
The council aren't trying to strangle retail,
They may not be trying but they're succeeding and don't seem to care
a large percentage of their budget comes from business rates and rental. They are trying to push people out of their cars in order to make parts of the centre more attractive to shoppers and tourists.
Closing Castle street is not the answer. Ask the shop keepers in the city and they will tell you when it is closed their business goers through the floor, and the only way to force shoppers out of their cars is to have a decent bus service and train/tram service which this city patently does not despite the council and the Welsh Gov talking about it a lot. We don't even have a bus station and they didn't seem to care about that for years. I've traveled to some of the smallest and most run down areas of Uk and one thing they all have in common is a bus station. The closing of Castle street is rendering the public transport system you espouse even less adequate than it was before.
It's a risk for them but one worth taking in my opinion.
Now with the intimated opening of pubs and restaurants for indoor customers there is even less need for Castle Street to be closed, unless of course the Welsh Government finds another excuse to be different and stop pubs from opening. another thing they don't care about, nor the jobs connected to them. We can all see the huge spike in infection in England since they allowed 1 metre+ distancing and pubs and restaurants to open. It's outrageous!
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Now with the intimated opening of pubs and restaurants for indoor customers there is even less need for Castle Street to be closed, unless of course the Welsh Government finds another excuse to be different and stop pubs from opening. another thing they don't care about, nor the jobs connected to them. We can all see the huge spike in infection in England since they allowed 1 metre+ distancing and pubs and restaurants to open. It's outrageous!
Disagree personally think it’s the opposite. Allows more space to spread out considering the uptake in punters flocking to the areas
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
I made this point when they started this. The seating area could easily be sited in the already pedestrianised areas such as St Mary St Queen St, Hayes etc where the majority of restaurants bars and cafes actually are, but that is no good for the council because it does not give them an excuse to close Castle street AGAIN!!!!
The closing of that street is the nub of all the other problems with buses and businesses losing customers and the council know it but the don't care!
You've chosen to pick the first part of what I wrote and ignore the bit where I suggest a reason for it?
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
This thread is a congregation of over the hill, 1980s thinking, backward, boring, unimaginative men.
Cities, at least decent ones at that, are more and more being designed NOT for cars. The future is now. If they're taking advantage of the situation to force through some progressive utilisation of space then sod it. The city more than survives fine when the street is shut on the umpteen days a year castle street (and a few others!) is shut for events. People have travelled to city and town centres since their inception, i'm not sure castle street, the cities most visually appealing street being closed will scare people off.
Covid or the internet might put people off coming in, a road closure won't. Road closures in the majority of cases don't affect high street trade.
Castle Street should be utilised as a place to socialise, not for pollution and through traffic. Sorry if that doesn't fit personal agendas, people will still travel if they chose to make it a permanent, semi permanent or seasonal arrangement.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
I can’t be bothered to read all 10 pages of this thread, so apologies if this has already been covered.
Cardiff has the fourth worst air quality in the UK, and the area outside the castle is the most polluted in the City.
The council have been looking to do this for a while, and the virus has given them the opportunity (see attached article from January of this year).
I was down there today, and I really like it, and hope it’s a big success.
Remember, people hated it when the council closed and pedestrianised Queen Street and St Mary Street, but it’s improved the city centre.
The big issue is, many people hate change.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-51023304
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
Bluebird23
I can’t be bothered to read all 10 pages of this thread, so apologies if this has already been covered.
Cardiff has the fourth worst air quality in the UK, and the area outside the castle is the most polluted in the City.
The council have been looking to do this for a while, and the virus has given them the opportunity (see attached article from January of this year).
I was down there today, and I really like it, and hope it’s a big success.
Remember, people hated it when the council closed and pedestrianised Queen Street and St Mary Street, but it’s improved the city centre.
The big issue is, many people hate change.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-51023304
4th in the UK? That can’t be right surely
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
Bluebird23
I can’t be bothered to read all 10 pages of this thread, so apologies if this has already been covered.
Cardiff has the fourth worst air quality in the UK, and the area outside the castle is the most polluted in the City.
The council have been looking to do this for a while, and the virus has given them the opportunity (see attached article from January of this year).
I was down there today, and I really like it, and hope it’s a big success.
Remember, people hated it when the council closed and pedestrianised Queen Street and St Mary Street, but it’s improved the city centre.
The big issue is, many people hate change.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-51023304
Castle St has been a thorn in the Council's side for a while now because of NO2 pollution caused by through traffic. The excuse to close the street gets them off the hook. Trouble is it just moves the problem somewhere else in the city, probably Western Avenue as there are now very limited bridges to cross the city, what with Castle st bridge and Wood st bridge closed to private vehicles.
Countering the city's desire to clean the air is our obsession with speed bumps. I've travelled all over UK and never come across anywhere like Cardiff for them. Each one makes cars, buses, lorries brake then accelerate increasing NO2 levels from exhausts and particulate matter from brakes.
And where do we have them?, outside schools, just crazy really. Most towns have illuminated signs warning motorists of schools and they have the advantage of only operating when schools are open. Our speed bumps are there 24/7
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Der Kaiser
This thread is a congregation of over the hill, 1980s thinking, backward, boring, unimaginative men.
Cities, at least decent ones at that, are more and more being designed NOT for cars. The future is now. If they're taking advantage of the situation to force through some progressive utilisation of space then sod it. The city more than survives fine when the street is shut on the umpteen days a year castle street (and a few others!) is shut for events. People have travelled to city and town centres since their inception, i'm not sure castle street, the cities most visually appealing street being closed will scare people off.
Covid or the internet might put people off coming in, a road closure won't. Road closures in the majority of cases don't affect high street trade.
Castle Street should be utilised as a place to socialise, not for pollution and through traffic. Sorry if that doesn't fit personal agendas, people will still travel if they chose to make it a permanent, semi permanent or seasonal arrangement.
:thumbup:
There’s some proper miserable ****ers on here.