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The one you have desperately trying to keep attached to yourself throughout this thread.
You behave the same way every time. At first you make a good fist of playing devil's advocate, then you pick a camp and become completely entrenched, unable to listen to anybody else or comprehend what they are saying, eventually start acting like a child, get personal and dismissive of any other opinion and then the thread dies.
The amount of times a thread like this ends with one of your posts is astounding, it isn't because you were right but because people got tired of banging their head against a wall.
Feedback is the most contrary, delusional prick on this MB... ever..
This post has run out of arguments.
I've read through this thread from start to finish and there have been some interesting points raised, as well as some examples of ignorance and trying to win an argument for the sake of it without being properly acquainted with all the facts which is understandable to do as Israel/Palestine is an extremely complicated space. I have spent a lot of time in Israel, West Bank and Gaza, working with NGOs and, during my time there, I have met with Hamas generals, ordinary Gazans, many of whom hate Hamas but are in no position to oppose them, I've met West Bank Palestinian leaders and citizens, Israeli settlers (the vast majority of whom, to pick up a point made earlier, have American accents and no geographical connection to the land). I have also met many Israeli Jews who are completely opposed to the state of Israel, including ultra-orthodox Jews who believe that the Kingdom of Israel should only exist after the coming of the Mashiach, when the Law would be that of the Torah, not the secular law of post 1948 governments. There are also many Israelis who have refused to do military service. They usually get, I think, about 8 months in prison and find it extremely difficult to find employment within Israel thereafter. There are also those people who did serve in the IDF but then joined organisations like Breaking the Silence to expose some of the things that go on a daily and institutional level.
I notice that one poster has resorted to accusations of 'jew-bashing' although he, ironically, is the only person who has used an antisemitic word in the whole thread. It is important not to conflate anti-zionism with antisemitism and if he wants to read some critiques of Israel, he could start by reading Israeli Jews, Ilan Pappe and Gideon Levy, and American Jews, Norman Finkelstein and Noam Chomsky, among many other Jewish writers and academics.
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I'm not sure that the reason the Muslims hate the Jews is actually explained in the bible.
All we do know there is an in bred instructional hatred of Jews that has gone on for centuries.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti..._New_Testament
Jon, when I originally answered this post I did so genuinely, but after re-reading it and in the light of other posts it occurred to me that you were implying/suggesting that I am Islamiphobic
I cam promise you that nothing could be further from the truth. In fact if you knew me you'd know that the mere idea is ridiculous.
interesting developments in Israel today, Bibi might be on the way out
It will be interesting in a number of ways. He is the longest serving Israeli president and embodies modern Israel for a lot of Israelis. However, if he and Likud are ousted from power, I wouldn't expect to see any radical changes in the country.
Lapid's party Yesh Atid is more centrist than Likud but they will have to work in coalition with Naftali Bennett and some other right-wing pro-annexation nationalists with unlikely chances of bringing greater calm to the region. People have been too optimistic too many times.
Whoever is in charge with the current neighbours strategy to wipe then form the face of the earth they will remain defiant and in a few more years they will blow up those very same tunnels and buildings that threaten them and on we go and go and go .