I said I wouldn't create a thread on the main forum about the virus, nor have I, which is different to your misrepresentation.
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The current government plan is that roughly 60-70% of the population will get it (and in fact need to get it) and that we just need to manage the peak successfully to avoid utter disaster within the NHS. I would guess that the football authorities weren't happy at their game being used as the conduit facilitating this slow steady spread of the virus, especially as it is likely to kill (all being well) 300,000 people. When the WHO are publicly saying they don't understand our approach, people should be questioning it.
so with all this going on has anyone changed there behaviour ?
at home we're trying to live in each room now and in work now we're all spaced out 2 metres apart and if the push come to the shove I have the ability to work from home now using a VPN .
So now the Government is going to ban mass gatherings having done a complete upturn from 24 hours ago.
It's not a U-Turn, it was part of their plan as announced last week.
"The government's action plan - published last week - did raise the possibility of reducing the number of large-scale gatherings.
However, the most recent tactics announced on Thursday advised people to self-isolate for seven days if they have a cough or fever.
The UK's chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance previously said that shutting down mass events would not have a "big effect" on transmission rates, but he did not rule out such a move going forward.
Whitehall sources said the government's approach has not changed but there are concerns about the burden that large events might put on health services and the police.
It is thought a ban could start to take effect as early as next weekend, although exact timescales are not clear."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51882897
I think there has been some very irresponsible reporting going on regarding this situation and it's not helpful.
A couple of questions;
1. Would you have gone to the Leeds game if it was going ahead? For myself, I was edging towards deciding not to in the hours before the decision to call it off was made, but hadn't decided for sure - although the forum I use says atrial fibrillation is not a condition which makes you more susceptible to Covid 19, some of its complications can be and, at 64, I cannot really put myself in the position that some are doing in this thread of saying for sure that they will get over it.
2. This one is only for the naysayers on here who have been telling most of us we're being duped and it's all just a ploy - will you self isolate if you develop a fever or a persistent cough?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Currently experts expect over 1 million deaths in the U.S. since the virus was not contained & we cannot even test for it. <br><br>This will be recorded as a major preventable public health disaster. I will try to relate what I learned from a long day of calls about what is happening.</p>— Andy Slavitt (@ASlavitt) <a href="https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/1238303395448008704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I don’t know what’s funnier remembering a post something from that long ago or being so rattled you have to bring it up :hehe:
Find me the post please, not that I disagree with it, I just can’t find it and I just want to know how long I’ve been living in your head rent free.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...phobia-muslims
Sayeeda Warsi:
I’m astonished that, after decades of research and policies that improved our understanding on race, anyone still believes racism is only about the shade of one’s skin. It is not. Antisemitism is a form of racism – directed at Jews who come in many shades, black, brown and white. Racism is a demonisation and negative stereotyping of a group or perceived group, irrespective of the colour of their face.
The same is true for Muslims or those perceived to be Muslim. It’s why the All-Party Parliamentary Group on British Muslims, after wide consultation and evidence gathering, defined Islamophobia in 2018 as a “form of racism that targets expressions of Muslimness or perceived Muslimness”.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ritish-society
Omar Khan:
Racism isn’t much understood in Britain in 2020. Exhibit A is Trevor Phillips suggesting that because “Muslims are not a race”, there is no such thing as anti-Muslim racism.
Phillips has been suspended from the Labour party for alleged Islamophobia, but his line of thinking is common. Many have tried over the decades to explain why it isn’t right, and not just when it comes to Islamophobia. Of course Muslims are not a “race”, but they have been racialised. This means people who are Muslim are treated by particular societies as having essential characteristics that mark them as wholly different.
The question is whether there is a set of attitudes and behaviours – racism – that is socially widespread and used to justify discrimination against a particular group. If we look at the history of racism itself, we see that it didn’t emerge through scientific investigations or empirically rigorous endeavours, but instead to provide a justification for the economic, political and social domination and exclusion of particular groups. This is why it makes sense to call antisemitism and Islamophobia forms of racism.
Could you move your bullshit race argument to another thread or perhaps another planet?
I've been offered tickets for almost every home game this season and every single one since the start of November. Indeed, I've been offered as many as three or four tickets for some matches. However, before the game was postponed, nobody had offered me a ticket for Leeds, which suggests that everybody I know who has a season ticket was intending to go. I'd have certainly gone if I'd had a ticket.
On the flip side, a friend in work has been looking for two tickets for the Wales v Scotland rugby game for several weeks as a relative from the USA is visiting and wanted to go. Try as she might, she couldn't get tickets until a couple of days ago, when plenty suddenly became available. Luckily for her, she held off buying any due to the rapidly escalating nature of the situation.
I was planning to attend the Leeds game but was going to switch from Public Transport to Driving as there is probably more risk getting to and from the game than being sat or standing outside for a few hours.
Regarding the second, I can work from home so self isolating isn't a problem. Any meetings can be held by video conference. I know this isn't a solution for everyone but at least it means those who can't self isolate will come into contact with less people who do.
1) No. I'm freelance, haven't worked for a while and have just spent a lot of our savings on a car (:facepalm:) and if we get stood down at work I won't get sick pay and I don't know when my next paycheck would come so my feeling was even if going gives me a 1% chance of getting it it would be sensible not to go. It's only a football match.
2) Not a naysayer but not self isolating in those circumstances would be incredibly arrogant and selfish
I saw it reported that there were only eight new cases recorded in China yesterday (other sources have said there were eleven) - have you seen something to say there were none today? Also, I notice that Apple have announced that they are closing all of their shops outside China - that could well be because the ones in China were closed already, but if it doesn't, then that's a sign of an improving picture there.
THis is great from China
https://twitter.com/redfishstream/st...415064576?s=21
I have just started to hear about people I know who have tested positive - including our new MP and her partner. As I'm due to be house sitting my 88 year old mam and 84 year old auntie all next week we are avoiding a few gatherings this weekend and pretty much staying away from other people. That was a change of outlook that came very very quickly. This time yesterday I was planning to spend this evening at someone's 60th birthday in a city centre pub.
I have driven back from Leistershire this morning, motorways are a bit quiet, plenty of traffic, but volume not what i usually encounter on the M6/M42/M5, maybe a good time for the highways to sort roadworks planned for the coming months ahead. quiet going up on Thursday but expected as I didn't leave until 19.00.
Was Penarth Wetherspooning by 9am this morning. Lots of glum looking faces on view. Yet to see anyone not on the telly wearing a mask.
Coronavirus: Spain set to declare national lockdown
- The Spanish government is poised to declare a 15-day national lockdown on Monday to battle coronavirus.
Under the decree being finalised, people would be allowed out only for emergencies, to buy food, or for work.
More: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51888936
France also declared a national lockdown within the past 30 minutes that's as draconian as Italy's with all cinemas, bars and restaurants to close immediately.
Should have twerked one another.
More on France lockdown: https://time.com/5803206/france-spai...n-coronavirus/
France ordered the closing of just about everything the rest of the world loves about it — the Eiffel Tower, the Louvre, the cafes, restaurants and cinema — and Spain drew up plans Saturday to lock down its 46 million citizens as governments took increasingly desperate measures to put more space between people and contain the coronavirus.