Tbh the grooming, FGM and Sharia are exaggerated in the media. Its a very small minority of people. The way you word it is as if all of us do them things, which is defo not the caseQuote:
Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948
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Tbh the grooming, FGM and Sharia are exaggerated in the media. Its a very small minority of people. The way you word it is as if all of us do them things, which is defo not the caseQuote:
Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948
Oh please, Pakistani Grooming gangs were covered up by the police in Rotherham due to fears it would stir up racial tensions. FGM and and Sharia is more widespread than many people think. I have a mate who works in the hospital and you wouldn't believe the stories and horrific ordeals he tells me about young Somali woman in Cardiff.Quote:
Originally Posted by adz-a32
I know it's not every Muslim doing these things but stop turning a blind eye and blaming the media ffs
Yes. The majority of immigrants do more to integrate within Britain than people realise.Quote:
Originally Posted by adz-a32
At a tangent possibly, but the highest proportion of adult Welsh learners in Wales are the English, who move in and want to try and speak the language. Some in Wales would have you believe that they do nothing to integrate, but they're more interested in learning Welsh than the Welsh.
Because there were no paedophiles, gangs, guns or knives in Britain before immigrants cameQuote:
Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948
A tiny % of immigrants partake in those activities, what you're saying is downright wrong and ignorant
Most immigrants come to improve their lives, you've read too much of the Daily Mail/Sun
I can only look to High School where one lunch a week the Christians, the Muslims and other religious groups separated in order to speak about their interests but 4/5 lunch times they were playing football with the rest of us and each other. There were also occasions where they and other groups would do bake sales introducing us to each of their cultures.Quote:
Originally Posted by adz-a32
It doesn't work if immigrants are coming in with a "we're here, get used to it" attitude and there are no "lunch times" where each group can get together through some shared activity - multiculturalism or multi-cultures living very much detached from each other?
UKIP have got such interest because they were willing to talk about immigration whereas previously parties were reluctant to say it can be a difficult process, but the latter point does not mean we give up on immigration. Immigration can be so fantastic and we can look at Leicester for an example of how to get such varied cultures living together and making a City colourful and thrive. We also can't deny that expecting to support unlimited people while making such massive cuts to public spending is not going to work and is going to lead to rising tensions, but that is not the immigrant or the refugees fault. I used to make the point that any charity door knocker will tell you poorer areas are more willing to donate but I think the rise of UKIP and the drag to the right in Wales might make my point redundant.
So you know more about the British Pakistani community than a British Pakistani? I cant speak about the British Somali community and I wont - coz I am not a member of it and I dont know about itQuote:
Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948
Mayor of London-Muslim
PFA Player of the Year-Muslim
Bake Off Winner who baked for the Queen-Muslim
How's that for integration?
No I am not saying that I am just saying there is an ugly side to mass controlled immigration and "multiculturalism" and it's not all hunk dory. I don't read either of those publications I am speaking from experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
I agree with you that most immigrants come here to improve their lives but the tiny % of those that come here and play havoc make the people who already live heres lives worse.
Sharia LawQuote:
Originally Posted by City123
Pakistani grooming gangs running amok in Rotherham.
FGM
How's that for integration? There are two sides to mass uncontrolled immigration, both good and bad.
Tbh there are less tensions (still some by a small minority) coz of us both integrating. For example, I kinda taught my mates a few word from my mothertounge, I love football and I listen to western music genres. Some ppl are openminded enough to ask me about Asian history and culture etcQuote:
Originally Posted by surge
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wa...ly-lib-9174731 - in which the Lib Dems (not the Tories) state they will abolish the Seven Bridge payments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948
The general view of the pundits was Labour over the last term have met their targets promised in the previous election, but those targets were overly safe and did not necessarily mean success. It may be time for a change but that doesn't mean voting for a change that makes your life worse.
Have you heard of the Krays? Brady? Saville? Michael Ryan? Shipman? Huntley? Sutcliffe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948
Yes, little we can do about them, they were born here and not imported.Quote:
Originally Posted by TH63
Your experience of...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948
- Having your vagina mutilated?
- Having Sharia law imposed upon you?
- Being raped as a child by a Pakistani man?
I am afraid you come across as yet another disingenuous xenophobe, your arguments against immigration appear to me to be convenient excuses (because you don't really like the idea of the faces on your street changing shade) rather than rational arguments -
'Oh you say Muslim women (usually children) are being forced into having disgusting and painful amateur surgery performed on their private parts?'
'Yes that is right, awful isn't it, we should legislate and educate to prevent this from happening shouldn't we?'
'Nope, tell them to **** off'
"Speaking from experience" Then man speaks to a British Pakistani about it in a patronising wayQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Do you even know how it feels for an immgrant to be here? How proud they are? Ppl even PRAY to be here and to have nationality. Why punish these people who want to be here so badly just coz of a very small minority. It is their dreamQuote:
Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948
I understand the need for immigration I am just sick of reading people like you telling everyone how wonderful "multiculturalism" is whilst completely turning a blind eye to some of the negative impacts that immigration brings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Also I am pretty sure there is legislation and education to prevent such things happening right now.
'Oh you say Muslim women (usually children) are being forced into having disgusting and painful amateur surgery performed on their private parts?'
'Yes that is right, awful isn't it, we should legislate and educate to prevent this from happening shouldn't we?'
'Nope, best we turn a blind eye in the name of racial harmony'
It was my dream to own a ferrari and shag Jennifer Lopez, I shagged J-Lo but I am yet to own a ferrari.Quote:
Originally Posted by adz-a32
You are taking this lightly. You dont know how much potential immigrants want to be here. Why should the actions of a very small minority stop themQuote:
Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948
:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948
Ok, so name me a Pakistani/Polish/other immigrant mass murderer/pedophile/child killerQuote:
Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948
This chat made me put my dreams into perspective compared to immigrants. In their eyes, when I was born, I made it. Weird how we take things for grantedQuote:
Originally Posted by tommy31
Pakistani grooming gangs in Rotherham and elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by TH63
I really didn't want to get embroiled in an immigration debate, I actually recognise the need for immigrants and that the vast majority are law abiding people. Just very tired reading people saying that there are no negatives to mass uncontrolled immigration, their is a very ugly side to it.
That is the whole point though isn't it. The reason you hear about these things is because society deems them (correctly in my opinion) to be wrong. Lots of things are wrong and still happen, we have to work TOGETHER to make sure they don't. Rather than just sit there and pretend that all Muslims are evil and all evil people are Muslims. Clearly there are issues around immigration in terms of pure numbers and integration but using sensational events as an example of typical behaviour is just plain unfair and wrong. If we want the Muslim community as a whole to become more and more moderate then alienation is not the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948
Okay, just one last thing then before you go. Can you give an example of someone saying that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948
Tbh you obviously cant see from the perspective of the immigrantQuote:
Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948
Read any nonsense spouted by Adz about not understanding Pakistani culture and problems being exaggerated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
'Nonsense' thats whitesplaining to a whole new levelQuote:
Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948
What you are saying is not correct because you are a British Pakistani, it really isn't, despite what you believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by adz-a32
Also interesting you assume I am white, I haven't mentioned my race once?
Who the **** are you to talk to me about my community in a condesending manner?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948
So you can't name any then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948
For what it's worth, I understand that hose found guilty were born here, so according to you "there's nothing we can do about that"
The point I was making earlier, was that if you're concerned about being murdered, abused, beaten up on the street or robbed, then you'd better watch out for those British born white blokes, theyve got form.
Who the **** are you to talk about mine? Or assume what race I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by adz-a32
The recent "what do British Muslims really think?" programme should have stopped us dismissing concerns about immigration as xenophobic and stopped us thinking that there are no difficulties when it comes to integration. It doesn't mean that immigration isn't worth it or that UKIP have any policies which will benefit Wales.
What are you on? Talking bullshit again... bare crazyQuote:
Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948
You said I was whitesplaining whatever that means, I may not be white. Not that it matters what race I am. You then told me to stop commenting on your culture whilst I am pretty sure you comment on other cultures.Quote:
Originally Posted by adz-a32
When did I comment on other cultures? The point was that you were patronising and it was to me, a British PakistaniQuote:
Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948
Nobody is saying that there should be a free for all, indeed our immigration laws are tougher than UKIP and their supporters would have you believe. Immigration should be, and is, controlled. But we should also be a compassionate society.Quote:
Originally Posted by surge
Immigration is not a new thing, it's been happening for most of my life, and mostly from countries that we invaded.
The irony on display here is breathakimg.
Yep, immigration laws are tough af. These laws should help immigrants, not be against them. That sentence btw was in theory and imoQuote:
Originally Posted by TH63
This is multiculturalism in action folks, according to this loon you aren't allowed to criticise British Pakistanis unless you are a British Pakistani.Quote:
Originally Posted by adz-a32
Explain to me how you would change immigration laws to help immigrants?Quote:
Originally Posted by adz-a32