Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

That interview with Peter Ford, former UK ambassador to Syria, shows there are a still a few people with brains being allowed on the MSM. Unfortunately, the audiences have been brainwashed to such an extent that they think these people are working for Moscow or Assad.

Most of the people I mix with know that we are being lied to about Syria and Salisbury, but occasionally I find myself in conversation with someone who regurgitates MSM propaganda and I ask them why Assad or Putin "is a monster" and they just go into auto repeat mode. Their brains are gone. They can't think for themselves anymore. There is no hope for these sad f'ers. No evidence or attempts to induce critical thinking will undo the propaganda dumped into their heads.

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It would add some weight to the discharge line if a friend or family member could offer some corroboration by stating they've spoken to her. Everything about this affair appears murky. Though I suspect you might believe differently.

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They've just survived an assassination attempt, and you're here surprised they aren't announcing their location on social media?
Maybe they really want some more of that tasty novichok?

We were told they'd been on the mend in a specific hospital for over a week. Every hospital I've attended lately - sadly, that's a good many - the mobile phone signal was fine.

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That interview with Peter Ford, former UK ambassador to Syria, shows there are a still a few people with brains being allowed on the MSM. Unfortunately, the audiences have been brainwashed to such an extent that they think these people are working for Moscow or Assad.

Most of the people I mix with know that we are being lied to about Syria and Salisbury, but occasionally I find myself in conversation with someone who regurgitates MSM propaganda and I ask them why Assad or Putin "is a monster" and they just go into auto repeat mode. Their brains are gone. They can't think for themselves anymore. There is no hope for these sad f'ers. No evidence or attempts to induce critical thinking will undo the propaganda dumped into their heads.

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Those who get all their info from corporate media automatically presume that when politicians the like of May, Trump, etc, make unequivocal remarks then they must be sincere and cannot be lying therefore it must be true.

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Those who get all their info from corporate media automatically presume that when politicians the like of May, Trump, etc, make unequivocal remarks then they must be sincere and cannot be lying therefore it must be true.

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Have you ever thought that those who have determined that the consensus formed by corporate media automatically must be incorrect are equally vulnerable, particularly if they think they have some special insight or superior intellect?

With regard to the recent staged production of a chemical attack last weekend which appears set to become a casus belli, then no.

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With regard to the recent staged production of a chemical attack last weekend which appears set to become a casus belli, then no.

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I guess there are two key questions to answer.

Did it happen and if so who did it? You seem to have concluded on the first question so I guess the second is irrelevant. That partisan body the World Health Organisation appears to have concluded (from 2nd hand reports on the ground) that 500 people suffered and want primary access. Given your insight probably unnecessary and not worth probing the second question.

They might want to visit the area which is now under Syrian control to talk to the locals rather than recycle hearsay. That's what the Russian EU ambassador wants to happen. The H1N1 pandemic malarkey, as one example, suggested to me, and others, that WHO isn't objective and is under the control of the same old crew.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDSs...ature=youtu.be

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They've just survived an assassination attempt, and you're here surprised they aren't announcing their location on social media?
Maybe they really want some more of that tasty novichok?

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Sky News is reporting she's issued a statement through the police (her other reported statement was also via the police).

We are told she's in protective custody, no doubt at some super secret location, unlike the hospital she was reportedly at and where her father reportedly remains.

The Russians have publicly raised concerns she's being held against her will. One might think the police or any other government agency would be desperate to bat away those suggestions by asking her to say so on camera which would be released to the media. Remember, she should be extremely grateful to the authorities for saving her life and that of her father and for continuing to protect them... but no video is forthcoming.

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They might want to visit the area which is now under Syrian control to talk to the locals rather than recycle hearsay. That's what the Russian EU ambassador wants to happen. The H1N1 pandemic malarkey, as one example, suggested to me, and others, that WHO isn't objective and is under the control of the same old crew.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDSs7-Q_aMk&feature=youtu.be

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If you wanted to prove or disprove whether you need special insight or superior intellect to determine the relative merits of a situation then comparing the objective viewpoints of the Russian Ambassador to the EU and the World Health Organisation of the United Nations is as good a place to start as any as I suppose!

... and what about Peter Ford's interview that I posted a video of in this very thread earlier today. I note you have nothing to say about that. Is it because he demolishes the warmongers' narrative and it intrudes on your cosy normalcy bias?

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... and what about Peter Ford's interview that I posted a video of in this very thread earlier today. I note you have nothing to say about that. Is it because he demolishes the warmongers' narrative and it intrudes on your cosy normalcy bias?

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I watched it and like someone said, "opinions are like arseholes, everybody has one. If you draw your conclusions from a few sources just because they run counter narrative doesn't make them any more conclusive without facts!

Peter Ford is director of the British Syrian Society which was set up by Assad's Father in law. I don't know whether that gives him disturbed abnormal bias or not but if you are looking for some balanced insight I guess there might be other reference points. His argument seems to be the first responders have previous and they have a record of making things up.

If you undermine or don't give credence to the international institutions set up to establish facts then it's a turkey shoot I guess.

There's no proof the alleged chemical attack occurred and no proof of who did it if it actually happened. What is indisputable is US forces are in Syria and have set up military bases there. They have no mandate to do so, it's illegal and an act of war. The same applies to their tomahawk missile strike against Syria just over a year ago. The whole Iraq war was also illegal and engineered on a false premise. Some people have very short and selective memories.

Yulia Skripal: No-one speaks for me (says somebody speaking on her behalf)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43733765

Yes, a cleverly constructed statement, but bollox nevertheless as the Russian response politely states.

- In a statement issued through police, she said she was not yet strong enough to give a full media interview but "no-one speaks for me, or for my father". -

Isn't it a little too convenient that she's not up to stating what's in the statement whilst a film camera is trained on her recording her words and demeanour? Sure, the Russkies could then say she might be acting under duress. The fact that the easy and obvious hasn't been forthcoming only strengthens Russia's disquiet.

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I watched it and like someone said, "opinions are like arseholes, everybody has one. If you draw your conclusions from a few sources just because they run counter narrative doesn't make them any more conclusive without facts!

Peter Ford is director of the British Syrian Society which was set up by Assad's Father in law. I don't know whether that gives him disturbed abnormal bias or not but if you are looking for some balanced insight I guess there might be other reference points. His argument seems to be the first responders have previous and they have a record of making things up.

If you undermine or don't give credence to the international institutions set up to establish facts then it's a turkey shoot I guess.

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Doesn't take long to research the smears against the white helmets to see that they are mostly innuendo with nothing to back them up

There's nothing to back it up? Please refer to the video I posted on the previous page featuring those white helmets. I'll post more of the same if you wish.

Here's one to be going on with. In this they're teaching kids to become crisis actors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKui109OpWo&sns=fb

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There's nothing to back it up? Please refer to the video I posted on the previous page featuring those white helmets. I'll post more of the same if you wish.

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That's terrible, those poor kids.

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There's nothing to back it up? Please refer to the video I posted on the previous page featuring those white helmets. I'll post more of the same if you wish.

Here's one to be going on with. In this they're teaching kids to become crisis actors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKui109OpWo&sns=fb

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Any background on this? When was it taken? Where? Why? I went on to the You Tube link and could not find anything that helped.

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Any background on this? When was it taken? Where? Why? I went on to the You Tube link and could not find anything that helped.

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If only you questioned all media with the same vigour :wink:

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Any background on this? When was it taken? Where? Why? I went on to the You Tube link and could not find anything that helped.

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Dig a bit harder; summon the energy to do some research. I'm tired of spoon feeding you info.

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Dig a bit harder; summon the energy to do some research. I'm tired of spoon feeding you info.

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Or conversely you don't have any!

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If only you questioned all media with the same vigour :wink:

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I followed the link that Organ Morgan said was a smoking gun showing the White Helmets were faking up a chemical attack. I watched a You Tube video viewed by about 22k people (including probably a number of people on this board) entitled Syrian chemical attack - terrorists teach children how to fake it. It is a video of less than four minutes with no clear authorship, explanation or context. Yet I am being asked to conclude on the basis of this that a chemical attack within Syrian territory is a false flag and that anybody who believes something to the contrary is an idiot.

To prove my heretical doubt wrong I need to dig deeper apparently.

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Or conversely you don't have any!

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Seek and ye shall find. I'm tempted to link to a video of Jimmy Cliff's You Can Get it if You Really Want in the hope that its lyrics might inspire you. Instead it'll be one of what I've mentioned elsewhere prior. It's a video clip of the Russian general Chief of Staff stating weeks before the event that a false flag was being planned at the exact location, Ghouta, where the fake chemical attack was indeed staged in the precise area of Damascus. He also states that women and children had been bussed in ready to pose as victims.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1tf1gN2ToI&feature=youtu.be

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DanZTGAX0AM9B6o.jpg

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Seek and ye shall find. I'm tempted to link to a video of Jimmy Cliff's You Can Get it if You Really Want in the hope that its lyrics might inspire you. Instead it'll be one of what I've mentioned elsewhere prior. It's a video clip of the Russian general Chief of Staff stating weeks before the event that a false flag was being planned at the exact location, Ghouta, where the fake chemical attack was indeed staged in the precise area of Damascus. He also states that women and children had been bussed in ready to pose as victims.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1tf1gN2ToI&feature=youtu.be

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So to find the evidence you were so certain of just before 8pm I needed to find a link to a website called Sputnik News showing a video that was posted in the last three hours of General Nostradamus with no time stamped evidence of his prediction. I can see clearly now the rain has gone!

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So to find the evidence you were so certain of just before 8pm I needed to find a link to a website called Sputnik News showing a video that was posted in the last three hours of General Nostradamus with no time stamped evidence of his prediction. I can see clearly now the rain has gone!

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That prediction is old news, it came up on Twitter last month. He named the location too.

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That prediction is old news, it came up on Twitter last month. He named the location too.

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Quite. I don't get this Cyril geezer, RJK, and a few others. I can only think whatever transpires they believe won't affect their lives and they simply don't give a shite who dies thousands of miles away due to lying and bloodthirsty warmongers. Are they sociopaths?

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That prediction is old news, it came up on Twitter last month. He named the location too.

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So he predicted that White hats would do this and that is exactly what happened. Either they are stupid to do exactly as he predicted almost to the day he predicted it or someone else with the capability did it just as he predicted.

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Quite. I don't get this Cyril geezer, RJK, and a few others. I can only think whatever transpires they believe won't affect their lives and they simply don't give a shite who dies thousands of miles away due to lying and bloodthirsty warmongers. Are they sociopaths?

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I don't think you get anyone that doesn't subscribe to your view of the world. We have been discussing whether innocent lives have been lost which I understand you dismiss with the wave of a samovar. I don't think I have said this should be a pretext for military action but I am sure a man with your forensic skills will be able to prove otherwise!

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So he predicted that White hats would do this and that is exactly what happened. Either they are stupid to do exactly as he predicted almost to the day he predicted it or someone else with the capability did it just as he predicted.

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Well, I predicted when I posted the article here (from RT or Sputnik) with his written words that the Western corporate media will never shine a light on them. To the best of my knowledge they still haven't. And it's fair to say what he stated was eminently newsworthy given his extremely high position in the Russian military. I must confess I hadn't seen a news report with him uttering the remarks on camera before today.

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So he predicted that White hats would do this and that is exactly what happened. Either they are stupid to do exactly as he predicted almost to the day he predicted it or someone else with the capability did it just as he predicted.

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It fits the normal pattern, they know the masses are hooked and that is all that matters, so they don't pay much attention to the fringes. Besides the biggest nutter is sitting right inside the Whitehouse :biggrin:

Here's the RT article predicting the false flag: https://www.rt.com/news/421589-us-pr...ns-airstrikes/

It's dated 17-03-2018. I linked it in this thread (page 5, post 125) on the same date.

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Well, I predicted when I posted the article here (from RT or Sputnik) with his written words that the Western corporate media will never shine a light on them. To the best of my knowledge they still haven't. And it's fair to say what he stated was eminently newsworthy given his extremely high position in the Russian military. I must confess I hadn't seen a news report with him uttering the remarks on camera before today.

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Funny isn't it that the Russian military knew exactly when and where this was going to happen?
Nothing suspicious there at all.

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Funny isn't it that the Russian military knew exactly when and where this was going to happen?
Nothing suspicious there at all.

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No, what's funny (strange) is has already been pointed out, for someone with your perspective is how the Western corporate media hasn't been showing the clip of that Russian general making the prediction over and over and over again. You think they would, yes? But they haven't shown it once. Now put your thinking cap on to ask yourself why that is.

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No, what's funny (strange) is has already been pointed out, for someone with your perspective is how the Western corporate media hasn't been showing the clip of that Russian general making the prediction over and over and over again. You think they would, yes? But they haven't shown it once. Now put your thinking cap on to ask yourself why that is.

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Good point, you would expect somebody to use it as evidence, just like Rjk is.

The reason, of course, for why the Western corporate media haven't publicised his words at any point since he made them, a month ago today, is that they didn't and still don't want the man in the street to realise the event had been planned for weeks in advance. And don't forget that Gerasimov isn't just any old Russian military bloke, he's Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia.

Still no sign of a video of a Yulia Skripal video being made available where we can hear her say she's fine, content and not being held against her will as Russia allege. Things that make you go hmm.

Meanwhile, Russia today went on record stating that the UK was involved in the Douma attack.

Russia's military: UK involved in Syrian gas attack 'provocation' - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...-idUSKBN1HK24P

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Still no sign of a video of a Yulia Skripal video being made available where we can hear her say she's fine, content and not being held against her will as Russia allege. Things that make you go hmm.

Meanwhile, Russia today went on record stating that the UK was involved in the Douma attack.

Russia's military: UK involved in Syrian gas attack 'provocation' - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...-idUSKBN1HK24P

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Do you believe them?

https://twitter.com/EL4JC/status/984789066569998338 :shrug: