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the other bob wilson
This is where I say whoosh isn't it?
Not really. Organ has got the origins of the virus and how it spread covered, and I have commented on the planned response by health experts, which look pretty much textbook to me.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Wales-Bales
I had established very early on that the Steele dossier and Trump Russia collusion were a hoax, so I haven't deviated at all. I look at the merits of each case individually, and so far I am not seeing any big red flags in the US & UK government Coronavirus response. I'll let you know if I do though.
You have not established anything of the sort.
You have asserted it with a series of circular and self-referential arguments lifted from your favourite alt-right conspiracy sites - with a little help from Fox News and the Tangerine Toupee himself.
You may have burst your own ear drums in your own echo chamber - but out in the wider world your warped agenda is crystal clear.
It is not one where the words 'truth' or 'evidence' have any place.
I do find myself agreeing with some of the stuff posted by Organ and Nelson (whilst disagreeing with much more) but they have some consistency and integrity even when I think they are wrong. Organ also has a great sense of humour. You on the other hand, Gluey..... no.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Wales-Bales
Not really. Organ has got the origins of the virus and how it spread covered, and I have commented on the planned response by health experts, which look pretty much textbook to me.
The smug man with his smiling emojis in sense of humour failure shock.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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jon1959
You have not established anything of the sort.
You have asserted it with a series of circular and self-referential arguments lifted from your favourite alt-right conspiracy sites - with a little help from Fox News and the Tangerine Toupee himself.
You may have burst your own ear drums in your own echo chamber - but out in the wider world your warped agenda is crystal clear.
It is not one where the words 'truth' or 'evidence' have any place.
I do find myself agreeing with some of the stuff posted by Organ and Nelson (whilst disagreeing with much more) but they have some consistency and integrity even when I think they are wrong. Organ also has a great sense of humour. You on the other hand, Gluey..... no.
Read the dang Mueller report mun :biggrin:
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Wales-Bales
Is this a serious question or are we still in your hypothetical world of make believe?
I think most people on here, at one stage or another, have wondered if you are the figment of an overactive imaginary ('he can't possibly be real!') but no, serious question. When did you become the guy who tunes in at 6pm to learn his opinions from the government spokesperson?
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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the other bob wilson
The smug man with his smiling emojis in sense of humour failure shock.
Judging by my interactions with him earlier in the thread I can also confirm he is very adept at reading between the lines.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Wales-Bales
Not really. Organ has got the origins of the virus and how it spread covered, and I have commented on the planned response by health experts, which look pretty much textbook to me.
You are allowed to criticise the textbook of the implementation of it causes lots of people to die, right?
Another 49 people die of panicking too much in Italy. Have you studied their response? Where did they deviate from the textbook?
USA appears to have the highest death rate in the world, which indicates that they aren't testing enough people, does the textbook have a chapter on testing people to find out if they have the disease?
My favourite Trump highlight was when he asked a bunch of people, carefully selected as the few people alive who come close to matching his intelligence, if you could just use the flu vaccine to treat this virus.
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Eric Cartman
You are allowed to criticise the textbook of the implementation of it causes lots of people to die, right?
Another 49 people die of panicking too much in Italy. Have you studied their response? Where did they deviate from the textbook?
USA appears to have the highest death rate in the world, which indicates that they aren't testing enough people, does the textbook have a chapter on testing people to find out if they have the disease?
My favourite Trump highlight was when he asked a bunch of people, carefully selected as the few people alive who come close to matching his intelligence, if you could just use the flu vaccine to treat this virus.
They need to fire Professor Chris Whitty immediately and get you to take over ASAP :biggrin:
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Wales-Bales
They need to fire Professor Chris Whitty immediately and get you to take over ASAP :biggrin:
I'll take that as a don't know to all the questions asked.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The coronavirus panic is dumb</p>— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) <a href="https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1236029449042198528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
Well after all that healthy debate, and to go back to the OP for closure , is it overhyped fear, or potential doom I'd say you can't win as a government your either accused of complacency or hiding as with the floods or over egging the impact.
If the overhype saves a life or two I suppose it's worth it .
The one positive, from this we might improve a lot of peoples approach to personal cleanliness around washing ones hands more often.
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Latest worldwide death toll due to the coronavirus is 3,465: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
That's very close to the anticipated attendance for Newport County's home fixture tomorrow in what will be a less than half empty Rodney Parade. It's little wonder Elon Musk is sceptical.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Organ Morgan.
Latest worldwide death toll due to the coronavirus is 3,465:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
That's very close to the anticipated attendance for Newport County's home fixture tomorrow in what will be a less than half empty Rodney Parade. It's little wonder Elon Musk is sceptical.
Incredibly, 1.5 million people die from TB each year.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Organ Morgan.
Latest worldwide death toll due to the coronavirus is 3,465:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
That's very close to the anticipated attendance for Newport County's home fixture tomorrow in what will be a less than half empty Rodney Parade. It's little wonder Elon Musk is sceptical.
Virus is deffo overhyped. All the ructions taking place in the financial world is being pinned on the coronavirus in spite of the supply chain problems having very little impact thus far. Just today the oil price dropped 9.5%, its largest single day decline for 5 years. The UK FTSE 100 fell 3.5%. It has lost 13% of its value in the past fortnight. Today's FTSE is 6% lower than what it stood at on the final day of 1999. Since this time last week the yield (interest) on the US 10 and 30-year treasury debt has bombed by 30%. The US Dow Jones did finish 1% higher today than what it was a week ago, but it required an emergency 1/2% interest rate cut on Tuesday, the largest for 12 years, to fend off that hitting the deck.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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life on mars
Incredibly, 1.5 million people die from TB each year.
A great many more die from hunger every year. If 3.5k died from the coronavirus each and every day from here to eternity it would be an irrelevance, a mere tiny blip in a world population of 7.7 billion people.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Organ Morgan.
A great many more die from hunger every year. If 3.5k died from the coronavirus each and every day from here to eternity it would be an irrelevance, a mere tiny blip in a world population of 7.7 billion people.
As much as I'm not overly concerned by the coronavirus - your logic is ridiculous. If the virus spreads, then it will be a lot more than 3.5k per day, won't it? The first cases are only really just reaching certain countries so we have no idea how things will look like in, say, a month's time.
I was also having a discussion about this the other day - it's not just the mortality rate that people are concerned about, it's the added pressure on services that a lot of countries would collapse under if a large percentage of the population were too sick to work etc.
But, like I said, I'm not in panic mode yet. I'll just sit on the fence for now and see what happens.
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Heisenberg
As much as I'm not overly concerned by the coronavirus - your logic is ridiculous. If the virus spreads, then it will be a lot more than 3.5k per day, won't it? The first cases are only really just reaching certain countries so we have no idea how things will look like in, say, a month's time.
I was also having a discussion about this the other day - it's not just the mortality rate that people are concerned about, it's the added pressure on services that a lot of countries would collapse under if a large percentage of the population were too sick to work etc.
But, like I said, I'm not in panic mode yet. I'll just sit on the fence for now and see what happens.
I said this a few times in the thread on the main board. The death rate is not the be all and end all. Even if it kills no one at all, having lots of people sick at the same time (no virus has ever spread so quickly) is like a DDOS attack with the strain it puts on everything.
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Believe it or not - and coincidence or not - a coronavirus outbreak was simulated last year less than six weeks before a coronavirus outbreak occurred. It was envisaged it would start from Brazil's bat population to infect humans and spread as far as China. The bigwigs concluded 65 million people would perish in 18 months. http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.o.../scenario.html
Unsurprisingly, there's tons of youtube vids to be found which speculate that all what we're witnessing is a planned and manufactured event.
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By the way, should Blighty descend into chaos, perhaps from the coronavirus and/or economic collapse, then the Civil Contingencies Act 2004 makes for scary reading.
It's here in full: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/36/contents
To summarise the most egregious aspects: the government, once it enacts emergency powers, can confiscate whatever it desires, including citizens homes (without compensation) and lawfully compel them to relocate to wherever the state deigns. Yes, absolute totalitarianism.
The Yanks have similar laws on their statute book. Americans have been wise to cling to their guns.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Organ Morgan.
Believe it or not - and coincidence or not - a coronavirus outbreak was simulated last year less than six weeks before a coronavirus outbreak occurred. It was envisaged it would start from Brazil's bat population to infect humans and spread as far as China. The bigwigs concluded 65 million people would perish in 18 months.
http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.o.../scenario.html
Unsurprisingly, there's tons of youtube vids to be found which speculate that all what we're witnessing is a planned and manufactured event.
It is unsurprising as there's a large market of the gullible.
Unsurprisingly it's the same few people who come across these videos and talk about them on here.
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lardy
It is unsurprising as there's a large market of the gullible.
Spoken without a hint of irony :hehe:
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Can anybody tell me what 'panic' they are talking about? If they mean that people are buying toilet rolls the
they do that when the express says it is going to snow. Everything is happening as normal where I live despite there being a diagnosed case in the town and another in the town over.
My view is pretty simple, preventative measures should be more flexible and allow for the fact that this virus is pretty much risk free for most people but really bad for others.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Wales-Bales
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The coronavirus panic is dumb</p>— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) <a href="https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1236029449042198528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Every human emotion/reaction is dumb to Elon.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
For anybody who wants to delve into the numbers, an American perspective:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...459003909.html
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Eric Cartman
Interesting read .
Who to believe Elon or experts ?
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Organ Morgan.
A great many more die from hunger every year. If 3.5k died from the coronavirus each and every day from here to eternity it would be an irrelevance, a mere tiny blip in a world population of 7.7 billion people.
The young are also being effected ,wonder who caused the accidents, hope it wasn't the over 70's :
Nearly 1.25 million people die in*road crashes*each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day. An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled. More than half of all road traffic deaths occur among young adults ages 15-44.
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life on mars
Interesting read .
Who to believe Elon or experts ?
Well you can probably agree with both.
Not testing people is definitely dumb though, Trump is going to be looking round for somebody to blame soon enough.
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Small sample, unverified etc but an interesting concept explored that older population crashes and immediately occupy the beds, then once younger people have 'exhausted their physiological resources' they turn up to already overcrowded under resourced hospitals.
https://mobile.twitter.com/critconce...32042802589698
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Eric Cartman
Small sample, unverified etc but an interesting concept explored that older population crashes and immediately occupy the beds, then once younger people have 'exhausted their physiological resources' they turn up to already overcrowded under resourced hospitals.
https://mobile.twitter.com/critconce...32042802589698
If the oldies do crash, I'm guessing a new Brexit referendum will be called for .
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Heisenberg
As much as I'm not overly concerned by the coronavirus - your logic is ridiculous. If the virus spreads, then it will be a lot more than 3.5k per day, won't it? The first cases are only really just reaching certain countries so we have no idea how things will look like in, say, a month's time.
I was also having a discussion about this the other day - it's not just the mortality rate that people are concerned about, it's the added pressure on services that a lot of countries would collapse under if a large percentage of the population were too sick to work etc.
But, like I said, I'm not in panic mode yet. I'll just sit on the fence for now and see what happens.
We have differing perspectives on this. I've paid no thought to succumbing to this virus because I believe it will be the catalyst and not the cause for a global economic collapse. Whether it's by design or organic then I'm now sure that will be the outcome. Let's say there's a 5% chance I'll be infected by the virus. It's a small concern as I'm 100% sure I will be affected by the social mayhem that will result and all my thoughts and preparations have been geared to lessening the gravity of the fallout.
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Just be cautious is my only advise , it's either a virus that is spreading or it's not , it should not be a political issue , I'd hate to see someone fall due to complacency and foolish ideology
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Italy set to quarantine whole of Lombardy due to coronavirus - https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...7/italy-set-to
That region is the most productive and economically important in all Italy.
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Organ Morgan.
They haven't got much option but its probably too late
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I'd be interested in the details of it. Say for those who cannot go to work due to government mandated restrictions. Can/will they order private companies to pay them their full rate of pay perhaps with the state reimbursing them the cost? Or the state paying the workers directly some or all their wages? Italy could set the template for all EU states, including the UK. The costs would become staggeringly high should these lock downs proliferate elsewhere.
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life on mars
Just be cautious is my only advise , it's either a virus that is spreading or it's not , it should not be a political issue , I'd hate to see someone fall due to complacency and foolish ideology
Give it time, you'll be able to find a way to blame Jeremy Corbyn and Labour for it soon.
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the other bob wilson
Give it time, you'll be able to find a way to blame Jeremy Corbyn and Labour for it soon.
I wonder what LoM makes of Trump making a political issue out of it at every chance:
Trump wants Americans to stay on cruise ship off the coast of California because he's worried about the f**king "numbers" doubling (looks better for him if less people on American soil are confirmed to have the virus) <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/dFvpsB2Leq">pic.twitter.com/dFvpsB2Leq</a></p>— PoliticsVideo23 (@politicsvideo23) <a href="https://twitter.com/politicsvideo23/status/1236438810579349511?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Trump refers to Ukraine transcript when discussing Coronavirus tests <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/gJJ5fBwbvr">pic.twitter.com/gJJ5fBwbvr</a></p>— PoliticsVideo23 (@politicsvideo23) <a href="https://twitter.com/politicsvideo23/status/1236461211614695426?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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With the price of oil declining because of falling demand, OPEC held a meeting last Friday where it was expected members would agree to cut production to try and halt the drop by lowering supply. Russia unexpectedly refused and the oil price caved almost 10%. In response Saudi Arabia announced it will ramp up production while offering deep price discounts to damage Russia's finances, as well as its own and all other oil producers, in the hope they're forced back to the table. From what I've read the WTI oil price currently at $42 per barrel will head to as low as $20.
Saudi Arabia launches oil price war after Russia deal collapse - https://www.ft.com/content/d700b71a-...3-fe4680ea68b5
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Below is what the Italian government decreed this morning for the Lombardy region (population 16 million) and some other areas. It seems as if most workplaces will remain open. The bars and restaurants restriction is a bit of a head scratcher, will the distance between people be enforced by busybodies using a measuring stick?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
ITALIAN EMERGENCY MEASURES
16 days after the beginning of the outbreak, the Italian government took decree today to take exceptional measures to contain about 16 million Italians living in 14 provinces in the north of the country, as well as restrictive measures covering the whole country. [source]
Northern Italy under lockdown
- Lombardy region (entire region, all provinces)
- Piedmont (provinces of Alessandria, Asti, Novara, Verbano Cusio Ossola, and Vercelli)
- Veneto(provinces of Padua, Treviso, and Venice)
- Emilia Romagna (provinces of Modena, Parma, Piacenza, Reggio Emilia, and Rimini)
- Marche (province of Pesaro Urbino)
In the above areas:
Travel in and out of the area, as well as within the area, will only be possible in response to "duly verified professional requirements, emergency situations, or for health reasons"
People with symptoms of respiratory disease and fever of 37.5 Celsius or above are strongly encouraged to stay at home and limit social contact as much as possible, including with their doctor
Avoid gathering
All schools and universities must be closed
All museums and places of culture will be closed
All cultural, religious or festive events are suspended
Cinemas, pubs, theaters, dance schools, game rooms, casinos, nightclubs and other similar places shall remain closed
All sporting events and competitions are suspended
Ski resorts are closed until further notice
Swimming pools, sports halls, thermal baths, cultural centers and wellness centers must suspend their activities
Bars and restaurants can remain open from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. provided they respect the safety distance of at least 1 meter between customers - this provision also concerns other commercial activities
Shopping centers and department stores must remain closed on public holidays and the days preceding them
Places of worship remain open, provided that the safety distance of at least 1 meter is respected, but religious ceremonies (marriage, baptism) are prohibited until further notice
National restrictions
As in the north of the country, cinemas, theaters, museums, pubs, game rooms, dance schools, discos and other similar places will be closed
Sports competitions are suspended with some exceptions
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
Nearly 1500 new cases and 133 new deaths recorded in the last day in Italy.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Heisenberg
I wonder what LoM makes of Trump making a political issue out of it at every chance:
Trump wants Americans to stay on cruise ship off the coast of California because he's worried about the f**king "numbers" doubling (looks better for him if less people on American soil are confirmed to have the virus) <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/dFvpsB2Leq">pic.twitter.com/dFvpsB2Leq</a></p>— PoliticsVideo23 (@politicsvideo23) <a href="https://twitter.com/politicsvideo23/status/1236438810579349511?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Trump refers to Ukraine transcript when discussing Coronavirus tests <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/gJJ5fBwbvr">pic.twitter.com/gJJ5fBwbvr</a></p>— PoliticsVideo23 (@politicsvideo23) <a href="https://twitter.com/politicsvideo23/status/1236461211614695426?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
LOM thinks its poor , there are a lot of people making political capital out of any despair or disaster, even the mortals on CCMB and parties one may support.