A challenge to Organ Morgan

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Did you see the figures released yesterday relating to the large and disproportionate number of all deaths during the last few weeks? If so, what did you make of them?

Link here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52278825

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I hadn't read it but saw a news item about it. Without wishing to sound callous, the numbers don't justify hamstringing the economy.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

I hadn't read it but saw a news item about it. Without wishing to sound callous, the numbers don't justify hamstringing the economy.

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So we've hamstrung the economy and we've already had 12,000+ deaths, how many do you think we would have without these restrictions in place?

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

Yes I agree I hope Organ is staying safe at least.

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At last, a post of yours that I fully endorse.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Let's say I know one person who works in a hospital. Would his or her experiences where they work be indicative of all other hospitals?

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I have five friends who work in hospitals and three of those work on what could be described as the front line. All of them are regularly posting messages on Facebook asking everyone to follow the guidelines. Thankfully, only one (who works in England) seems to be really struggling at the moment. The four who work in Wales appear busy but things where they work seem to be just about under control.

Meanwhile, my mate's mum, who retired as a nurse about eighteen months ago, has gone back to work on her old ward, freeing up another member of staff to concentrate on Covid-19 patients, and I noticed yesterday that the doctor who has been my GP for most of my life and who retired a couple of years ago has also gone back to work.

If this is all a hoax, it's a pretty far-reaching one.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

I hadn't read it but saw a news item about it. Without wishing to sound callous, the numbers don't justify hamstringing the economy.

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During a pandemic of this nature, wouldn't the economy be pretty much hamstrung anyway? Sure, plenty of idiots would attempt to go about their daily routines as usual, but with a virus like this one on the loose doesn't it stand to reason that most people wouldn't be out and about shopping or eating or going to the pub or the theatre or spending money in their other normal ways anyway?

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

So we've hamstrung the economy and we've already had 12,000+ deaths, how many do you think we would have without these restrictions in place?

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That's anyone's guess. I'd say a similar number to that of leaving the economy open while urging those most at risk to stay indoors to protect their health by way of relaying government adverts with that message during every commercial break. I was struck yesterday by the percentage of oldies out and about... and of the say, 5%, of all people viewed who wore masks, I didn't spot any elderly with one on.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

During a pandemic of this nature, wouldn't the economy be pretty much hamstrung anyway? Sure, plenty of idiots would attempt to go about their daily routines as usual, but with a virus like this one on the loose doesn't it stand to reason that most people wouldn't be out and about shopping or eating or going to the pub or the theatre or spending money in their other normal ways anyway?

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Gunman, I've grown weary of repeating the same message. In both 1918 and 1957 everyone just got on with it to let the virus burn through and do its worst. People were free to take their own precautions.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

That's anyone's guess. I'd say a similar number to that of leaving the economy open while urging those most at risk to stay indoors to protect their health by way of relaying government adverts with that message during every commercial break. I was struck yesterday by the percentage of oldies out and about... and of the say, 5%, of all people viewed who wore masks, I didn't spot any elderly with one on.

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It's not anyone's guess though, there are pretty accurate statistical models that look at this. Even if you look at the best case ones with no restrictions there would be an exponential increase in infections and deaths, even if you are isolating the most at risk.

I'm not sure what your point is about seeing people out and about, there's nothing wrong with getting some fresh air. Living in London the number of people on the streets and in the parks near us must be about 1% of what it normally is at this time of year, so keeping distance is very easy, I assume that's the same elsewhere too.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Gunman, I've grown weary of repeating the same message. In both 1918 and 1957 everyone just got on with it to let the virus burn through and do its worst. People were free to take their own precautions.

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It's almost like the situtations are very different in all aspects of the virus and life since 1918!

We are likely to have 20,000 deaths by the end of next week. If we'd had zero restrictions we would have been looking at at least 100,000 (and that's being optimistic). Would having a couple of months without restrictions made enough difference to the economy for you to let 100,000 people die in a month?

Even with the restrictions this is going to alter our way of live at least for the next 6 months. Do you not think it would have been even worse without the restrictions?

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

You're a troll, pure and simple. Even if you weren't I'd struggle to engage with you as you never have anything to add that's insightful.

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Classic, I just won't let you carry on pretending you're knowledgable and that the previous utter nonsense you've spouted on this topic didn't happen.

In the very post of yours above the one I've quoted here you're trying to one up TLG by saying how much you know about this pandemic and others, yet just a few short weeks ago you were insisting (again, knowledgably) the Chinese invented it to control their population and that only Asian people would get it, which has turned out to be utter, utter embarrassing nonsense. You can't deny that, it's all there in writing, and it doesn't fit into this little picture you're trying to paint that you're a clever guy so when I point it out to you your only answer is to say you don't want to engage because "I'm a troll"

You can pretend you're anything other than a conspiracy theorist who doesn't have a clue as much as you want but unfortunately for you the proof is all there in your post history.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

My hypothesis is it's a mild form of flu released by the ChiComs that's not life threatening to anyone other than east Asians and is less of a risk to east Asians themselves than the flu umpteen thousands die of every year when bronchitis or pneumonia set in. Put another way, it's tons of hype with very little substance to those who choose to look beyond the hype, which you and others appear incapable of.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

And how many Brighton residents have turned their toes up?

Wake me up when just one amongst billions of non Asians snuff it. 1,000 coronavirus dead from a world population of 7.7 billion (says the latest UN estimate) is a gigantic nothing burger.

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THAT'S how knowledgable you are about pandemics and we all know it

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Gunman, I've grown weary of repeating the same message. In both 1918 and 1957 everyone just got on with it to let the virus burn through and do its worst. People were free to take their own precautions.

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As far as I'm aware (and you can correct me if I'm wrong), in 1957 the Asian Flu killed around 14,000 in the UK. The first case was reported in June and the peak wasn't hit until mid-October, when 600 deaths in a week were recorded. (Source: British Journal of General Practice)

Doesn't that suggest that Covid-19 is already significantly more of a risk than Asian Flu was?

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Classic, I just won't let you carry on pretending you're knowledgable and that the previous utter nonsense you've spouted on this topic didn't happen.

In the very post of yours above the one I've quoted here you're trying to one up TLG by saying how much you know about this pandemic and others, yet just a few short weeks ago you were insisting (again, knowledgably) the Chinese invented it to control their population and that only Asian people would get it, which has turned out to be utter, utter embarrassing nonsense. You can't deny that, it's all there in writing, and it doesn't fit into this little picture you're trying to paint that you're a clever guy so when I point it out to you your only answer is to say you don't want to engage because "I'm a troll"

You can pretend you're anything other than a conspiracy theorist who doesn't have a clue as much as you want but unfortunately for you the proof is all there in your post history.





THAT'S how knowledgable you are about pandemics and we all know it

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I didn't envisage at the time of writing those that a few months later a third of the globe's population would be under a form of house quarantine and all bar a minuscule percentage would be non-Chinese residents. I understand, but haven't checked, there's at least three different different strands of this virus.

I'm going to stand back because TLG and Delmbox put together a much mroe coherent counter argument :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

I'm going to stand back because TLG and Delmbox put together a much mroe coherent counter argument :hehe:

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You're another one who might find the info contained in the Plandemic thread later on both enlightening and flabbergasting. It'll be posted between 3-4pm. It would be sooner but I need to check my inventory of Bacofoil first.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

You're another one who might find the info contained in the Plandemic thread later on both enlightening and flabbergasting. It'll be posted between 3-4pm. It would be sooner but I need to check my inventory of Bacofoil first.

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'PLANdemic' - posted by Organ Morgan 15:34pm on 15th April 2020

I'm glad that you are all gathered here on the politics forum for my big announcement.

The Coronavirus PLANdemic is just as it sounds, it is all a hoax by the Bilderbergs/NWO to make cash extinct. They have co-conspired the Chinese government to create a strain of virus that was originally supposed to wipe out a large portion of the elderly in China (with the hope of wiping out some dissidents in HK too) but the strain mutated and began to effect non-Asian people and has gotten out of control in that respect.

It is still only effecting the old and vulnerable so the fit and healthy among us will be fine - but the shadowy puppet masters are ensuring that they can use this to their advantage by imposing new laws to remove our civil liberties. It wasn't part of the original plan but they have used the mutated virus to their advantage by tanking the economy and ensuring that the citizens of the world are living in constant fear and obedience.

Here is a YouTube video from a former US government biochemist who explains that it is no coincidence that Wuhan was the location for the 'outbreak' and it's links to manufacturing biological weapons has been an open secret for a long time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

The Spanish Flu killed far more people than the Coronavirus yet life went on afterwards and the economy was not decimated by a fake PLANdemic. It is so obvious to those who are not blindly following the .Gov textbook that this could all be over in a matter of weeks if the virus is allowed to disappear naturally (there will be a small amount of collateral damage, but nothing near what the Black Death caused).

Here is a graph from the Center for Disease Control (CDC) from 2000 (PRE 9/11!) showing how allowing viruses to take the natural course is better than trying to control it with social changes as the latter can cause further mutations and immunity to drugs https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/...mal/18196.jpeg

Thanks for attending my TED Talk on this subject. TLG and Delmbox can continue to self-isolate the hell out of themselves and follow the fake narrative pushed by Johnson and co. should they wish. I'm going to continue to be a free thinker and leave the house every 5 weeks to visit the capital and count old people.

Wind up account surely???

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Gunman, I've grown weary of repeating the same message. In both 1918 and 1957 everyone just got on with it to let the virus burn through and do its worst. People were free to take their own precautions.

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This isn't entirely true, in 1918 social distancing was implemented in the USA for example and schools, shops, churches and restaurants were closed down and public gatherings were banned.

At the beginning of 1918 women weren't able to vote in this country, but it seems even then some still recognised that pandemic interventions were necessary.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/h...c-coronavirus/

I was referring to how Britain got on with it.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

I hadn't read it but saw a news item about it. Without wishing to sound callous, the numbers don't justify hamstringing the economy.

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What should the death toll be in order for you to accept hamstringing the economy? Any figures in mind?

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

I was referring to how Britain got on with it.

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Happened here too I'm afraid:

"In many towns, theatres, dance halls, churches and other public-gathering places were shut, some for months."

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...c-5348535.html

Bear in mind this was an era when we were still weighing up whether women could be trusted with a vote.

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Originally Posted by Baloo

Happened here too I'm afraid:

"In many towns, theatres, dance halls, churches and other public-gathering places were shut, some for months."

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...c-5348535.html

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:hehe: He's on a roll!

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

You're another one who might find the info contained in the Plandemic thread later on both enlightening and flabbergasting. It'll be posted between 3-4pm. It would be sooner but I need to check my inventory of Bacofoil first.

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Spoiler:


It's awful.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

What should the death toll be in order for you to accept hamstringing the economy? Any figures in mind?

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How skint are you prepared to become to keep supporting lockdowns? Now this precedent has been set and overwhelmingly accepted by the majority as necessary then similar could keep happening.

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Originally Posted by lardy

Spoiler:


It's awful.

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http://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php?443863-Plandemic

Worse than awful. My shite attempt to satirise his conspiracy theories earlier in this thread was more plausible than what he's posted.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

http://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php?443863-Plandemic

Worse than awful. My shite attempt to satirise his conspiracy theories earlier in this thread was more plausible than what he's posted.

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I won't waste my time clicking it :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

How skint are you prepared to become to keep supporting lockdowns? Now this precedent has been set and overwhelmingly accepted by the majority as necessary then similar could keep happening.

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I take it, then, that you are not prepared to save anyone or help our NHS if it harms the economy. Shame you wouldn't say that directly.

Perhaps I can put it another way. Sorry if I sound like an arse here, but would you be happy to lose every relative and friend as long as the economy is ok, not that I'd wish this horrid virus on anyone? I'm genuinely trying to get some perspective here of how important you view life and view the economy.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

I won't waste my time clicking it :thumbup:

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You should click on it. The amazing theory behind the virus being around for five years is a report that was first published in 2015 was updated to include Covid this year. Because the file name has 2015 in it he thinks covid has been around since then :hehe: one of ccmb’s big thinkers :hehe:

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

You should click on it. The amazing theory behind the virus being around for five years is a report that was first published in 2015 was updated to include Covid this year. Because the file name has 2015 in it he thinks covid has been around since then :hehe: one of ccmb’s big thinkers :hehe:

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What?! :hehe:

An interesting piece on why people refuse stubbornly to change their minds. We can't help it a lot of the time.

Why do many people staunchly defend their opinions and beliefs even in the face of overwhelming evidence that their ideas and views are totally incorrect? One explanation is the common phenomenon of cognitive dissonance.

Cognition is simply thinking and reasoning. It is the mental process of acquiring knowledge and understanding through thought, reason, analysis of information, and experience. Dissonance is a musical term that means a lack of harmony among musical notes, but can also mean a tension or clash that results from disharmonious or contradictory components.

In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental discomfort experienced by a person who simultaneously holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values. The discomfort is triggered by a situation in which a person’s belief clashes with new evidence introduced to that person. To reduce the psychological discomfort, the person will have to change either their mind or their behavior so that the inconsistency or contradiction is resolved, thus restoring mental balance and emotional harmony. That is, cognitive consonance.

This phenomenon, first described by Leon Festinger in 1957, helps explain why so many people will vigorously defend, excuse, justify, and keep their sacred beliefs even when confronted with irrefutable proof they are wrong.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/b...ge-their-minds

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

I take it, then, that you are not prepared to save anyone or help our NHS if it harms the economy. Shame you wouldn't say that directly.

Perhaps I can put it another way. Sorry if I sound like an arse here, but would you be happy to lose every relative and friend as long as the economy is ok, not that I'd wish this horrid virus on anyone? I'm genuinely trying to get some perspective here of how important you view life and view the economy.

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OM, I thought you might have replied by now. Just bumping for your attention.

Christ TLG Sludge Organ

Same old weirdos 10 years later

Chill out

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Originally Posted by gabbsthenewt

Christ TLG Sludge Organ

Same old weirdos 10 years later

Chill out

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Cheers

Thanks

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Cheers

Thanks

Cheers

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Switch off the computer and get back to buffing Sugarman's shiny head

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Originally Posted by gabbsthenewt

Switch off the computer and get back to buffing Sugarman's shiny head

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You have got a bit of a shiney one nowadays if my sources are correct

It's mad how much things change during a pandemic, in just a week since this thread has started I now think it would be a "challenge to organ morgan" to understand a saved file name on his computer, tie his own shoe laces or breath without that piece of paper he has reminding him to do so.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

You have described yourself as a Covid-19 sceptic. You have claimed the threat of the Coronavirus is ridiculously overblown and the global attempts to combat it are nothing short of insane. You have suggested the measures being put in place around the world are so bizarre that there must be another agenda at play. You have also described me as having abandoned all sense of proportion and you've said you're astounded by my gullibility, although you haven't explained why on either count.

Therefore, I have a challenge for you: in no more than six succinct paragraphs, outline as clearly as you possibly can why you believe the Covid-19 pandemic is not what it appears to be and describe what you regard as the realities of the current situation in terms of conspiracy and alternative agendas.

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Oddly, you seem to be coming around to Organ's line of thinking as time has progressed.

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Originally Posted by Allez Allez Allez

Oddly, you seem to be coming around to Organ's line of thinking as time has progressed.

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Oh, really? How so exactly?