Aeroplane Over The Etihad

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

It's not illegal. The man had his back to the street and was not urinating on a statue, wasn't breaking any law. But they sent him to prison anyway.

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He was convicted of outraging public decency wasnt he ?

If I was charged with that and my solicitor said you are not guilty then why did he plead guilty to something he didnt do ?

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Not interested in the rest of your post but it wasn't that guy's fault, he had mental health issues that the NHS hadn't addressed because of the mishandling of the virus, and he wouldn't have been able to stab so many so quickly if they had been properly observing lockdown social distancing and been at least 2 metres apart.

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Not interested in the rest of your post but veg1960 has posted a link to a survey that shows police are nearly 7 times more likely to stop a black man than at white man in south wales

Of course as you are white and you have never seen the police stop a black man randomly and if they have they obviously had a reason then ignore the survey

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

He was convicted of outraging public decency wasnt he ?

If I was charged with that and my solicitor said you are not guilty then why did he plead guilty to something he didnt do ?

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"outraging public decency". A rather subjective count, open to interpretation and bias. If it were in front of a group of kids, or a group of picnickers, yes, but he was facing the wall - and I doubt anyone was 'outraged' except the BLM supporter who took the photo and alerted the coppers. Did he have a solicitor ? I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Not interested in the rest of your post but veg1960 has posted a link to a survey that shows police are nearly 7 times more likely to stop a black man than at white man in south wales

Of course as you are white and you have never seen the police stop a black man randomly and if they have they obviously had a reason then ignore the survey

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They're also 7 times more likely to stop an under 25yr old as opposed to an over 60yr old. There's discrimination for you..

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Did he have a solicitor ? I doubt it.

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You think he represented himself in court?

Taken from today's Times;-

"Football fan behind White Lives Matter stunt didn’t break law, say police
Ben Ellery, Martyn Ziegler
Wednesday June 24 2020, 12.01am, The Times
Manchester City Football Club
Premier League
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Jake Hepple, left, with Tommy Robinson, claimed responsibility for the stunt
Jake Hepple, left, with Tommy Robinson, claimed responsibility for the stunt
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Police investigating a football fan who paid a pilot to fly a banner reading White Lives Matter over a Premier League match said last night that no crime was committed.

Jake Hepple, a Burnley supporter, claimed responsibility for the stunt during his team’s match against Manchester City on Monday and wrote on Facebook: “I’d like to take this time to apologise . . . to absolutely f***ing nobody!”

The aerial display, held above City’s Eithad Stadium after players had got down on one knee in support of the Black Lives Matter movement, was widely condemned. Ben Mee, the Burnley captain, said that he was “shamed and embarrassed”.

Last night Chief Superintendent Russ Procter, of Lancashire police, who had been liaising with Greater Manchester police, the Aviation Authority and the Crown Prosecution Service over the matter, said: “After assessing all the information available surrounding this incident we have concluded that there are no criminal offences that have been disclosed at this time.”

Paradigm Precision, an engineering company that employs Mr Hepple, of Colne, Lancashire, said it was investigating his conduct. His partner, Megan Rambadt, was suspended by her employer, Solace Foot Health, after messages emerged in which she appeared to make racist slurs. Air Ads, which flew the aircraft, is based in Stockport and flies from Blackpool airport. One of its directors, Alan Elliott, was fined £2,000 in 2017 for flying 400ft above Everton’s stadium to display a sign. By law he should not have been lower than 1,000ft over a congested area.

Blackpool airport yesterday suspended banner flights from its base and said it was “outraged by this incident”.

It is thought that members of the Suicide Squad, a group of violent Burnley fans, spent the past week crowdfunding for the banner and flyover. In 2003 Burnley was described in the media as the “racist capital of Britain” after eight councillors representing the British National Party were elected. Since then the influence of the BNP on the council has disappeared and the football club has actively encouraged supporters to report racist abuse.

Charlie Briggs, leader of Burnley Council, said: “He’s [Mr Hepple] not representing Burnley. That is not what the town is all about. The town isn’t racist any more, we’re away from that.”

A spokesman for Burnley Football Club said it “strongly condemns the actions of those responsible for the aircraft and offensive banner”, adding: “We wish to make it clear that those responsible are not welcome . . . This, in no way, represents what Burnley Football Club stands for and we will work fully with the authorities to identify those responsible and issue lifetime bans.”

Burnley fans have started a Go Fund Me page raising money for the Stephen Lawrence Charitable Trust, set up in memory of the black teenager after he was killed in a racist attack in 1993."

The picture of the guy responsible shows him in a warm embrace with good old Tommy Robinson. There's a surprise.

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

I've just read through this thread and will make a few comments:

I am surprised that no-one has mentioned the fact that a few days ago three white people were murdered by a Libyan terrorist, and a lot more were injured. All were white. Was it a racist attack or just coincidence?

A few years a go I went to get some specialist work done to a satellite system. It was in Birmingham. Other than the staff at the centre I saw no white people in the few hours I was there. I went to a shop to get a newspaper and I was laughed at for requesting an English language newspaper. I felt uneasy and was completely at odds in the area.

The proprietor at the centre told me that he no longer takes work on a Friday because he's close to a mosque and people's cars completely black the entrance to his workshop. He made it clear that the locals want him out of the area so that they can expand the mosque. It was racism but turned on its head

If black people feel as uneasy as I did when in predominantly white areas they have my complete sympathy.

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I don't get you. You say you have complete sympathy towards black people for reasons you quote. Had you experienced racism for being white you'd have really experienced what the vast majority of black people experience quite regularly. You clearly have some solidarity with black people yet you can't support Black Lives Matter, which is quite mystifying.

The horrendous events at Reading aren't a part of the equation here. Say you supported Dogs Lives Matter and you have solidarity with all neglected dogs. You want to raise awareness of this in the hope everyone will join you. Someone says All Animals Lives Matter and claims that includes dogs. You think that it's a shame they can't join your campaign about neglected dogs. A litter of kittens get drowned. Someone then pipes up with Cats Lives Matter.

It's the same thing here. While it's all well and good saying all lives matter, and if those who want to feel a need to highlight white lives matter, this is specifically about solidarity with black people and raising awareness of the needless racism they face in our predominantly white country and western world and hope that can be put to an end. Saying all lives matter doesn't specifically say you have solidarity with black people in their struggles. If you feel you don't need to, you're a part of the problem.

9 pages and still going strong.

I don't support the BLM organistion.

I do agree that black people are just as worthwhile as white or any other colour.

I don't think I'm a racist.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

You think he represented himself in court?

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I don't know, but he was in court within 24hrs and banged up in prison an hour later - not much time to prepare a defence

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Originally Posted by Toadstool

9 pages and still going strong.

I don't support the BLM organistion.

I do agree that black people are just as worthwhile as white or any other colour.

I don't think I'm a racist.

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Seems to me that the word "racist" and how we define and apply it is half the problem here.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

I don't know, but he was in court within 24hrs and banged up in prison an hour later - not much time to prepare a defence

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What defence could there possibly be? His counsel, Stuart Harris, told the court his client had mental issues, was ashamed by his actions and was basically bolloxed. That's it.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Seems to me that the word "racist" and how we define and apply it is half the problem here.

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Thats what I was thinking - OED defines it as "belief in the superiority of a particular race"

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Originally Posted by Toadstool

Thats what I was thinking - OED defines it as "belief in the superiority of a particular race"

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Don't start quoting dictionaries and definitions while blue lewj is lurking, for God's sake.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

"outraging public decency". A rather subjective count, open to interpretation and bias. If it were in front of a group of kids, or a group of picnickers, yes, but he was facing the wall - and I doubt anyone was 'outraged' except the BLM supporter who took the photo and alerted the coppers. Did he have a solicitor ? I doubt it.

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I don't think the niceties matter. Another right wing scumbag has been banged up. Somehow, the air smells sweeter as a result.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

They're also 7 times more likely to stop an under 25yr old as opposed to an over 60yr old. There's discrimination for you..

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Of course

But we are talking here about black people being stopped

Which is racial discrimination

Or are you denying the facts staring you in the face ?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

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Of course

But we are talking here about black people being stopped

Which is racial discrimination

Or are you denying the facts staring you in the face ?

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Don't be rude. There's no need for it.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

I don't know, but he was in court within 24hrs and banged up in prison an hour later - not much time to prepare a defence

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He must have admitted a charge of outraging public decency

If he didnt have a solicitor he had the right to one

Are you saying that a black lives matter pissing on a statue of Winston Churchill wouldnt have got 14 days in jail ?

The police are investigating damage done to churchill's statue

I bet you if people are convicted of criminal damage they will get what's coming to them

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Don't be rude. There's no need for it.

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I am asking you a direct question

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Don't start quoting dictionaries and definitions while blue lewj is lurking, for God's sake.

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Can't let it go can you judge.

If I want to lurk, I will. Sadly for you on your high horse you can't do much about it.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

I don't get you. You say you have complete sympathy towards black people for reasons you quote. Had you experienced racism for being white you'd have really experienced what the vast majority of black people experience quite regularly. You clearly have some solidarity with black people yet you can't support Black Lives Matter, which is quite mystifying.

The horrendous events at Reading aren't a part of the equation here. Say you supported Dogs Lives Matter and you have solidarity with all neglected dogs. You want to raise awareness of this in the hope everyone will join you. Someone says All Animals Lives Matter and claims that includes dogs. You think that it's a shame they can't join your campaign about neglected dogs. A litter of kittens get drowned. Someone then pipes up with Cats Lives Matter.

It's the same thing here. While it's all well and good saying all lives matter, and if those who want to feel a need to highlight white lives matter, this is specifically about solidarity with black people and raising awareness of the needless racism they face in our predominantly white country and western world and hope that can be put to an end. Saying all lives matter doesn't specifically say you have solidarity with black people in their struggles. If you feel you don't need to, you're a part of the problem.

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Ive never said that I don't support BLM, and whether I do or not is nothing to do with you. The events in Reading are part of the equation, because one event in USA gets the world on its feet and statues overthrown. The other some news headlines period.

I suppose Im lucky in some respects, I just don't see colour in people. White, Black, Green whatever has never mattered to me. I was a sales manager for some time in my career. Had a round 60 reps working in my team, so you might imagine recruitment was a significant part of my job. In interviews all I wanted was people with ability. Colour, sex, age just didn't feature. Ability and potential was all, plus of course they had to fit into the company salary scales.

I worked for a Jamaican boss later in my career and we had a great work ethic and rapport. His devotion and energy were legend and set the standard for his business responsibilities.

Ive worked with people from different races all over the world, here and abroad. The most important things I saw and learned over the years is that we appreciate our similarities, likewise our differences and most important that we treat each other with mutual respect and friendship.

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

The events in Reading are part of the equation....

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They're really not. Totally separate issues.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

Can't let it go can you judge.

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I let it go last night, but you couldn't resist bringing me back into your argument (along with a few disparaging personal remarks) this morning.

You can lurk to your hearts content as far as I'm concerned, sweet pants. One more clown posting rubbish on here is hardly going to tip the balance, is it?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Out of interest, how do you know that?

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From a third person who I trust. You may know from past posts that I used to work for the UK sub of a large USA Pharma company. One of the victims was an American citizen who worked in the UK for a USA Pharma company. You see the link?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I let it go last night, but you couldn't resist bringing me back into your argument (along with a few disparaging personal remarks) this morning.

You can lurk to your hearts content as far as I'm concerned, sweet pants. One more clown posting rubbish on here is hardly going to tip the balance, is it?

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People welcome you and your high opinion of yourself here so all are more than welcome in my eyes.

You think I'm a clown, I think you're a bigger one who proves it time and again on here. It's all about opinions.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

They're really not. Totally separate issues.

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You need to look at the bigger picture

Imagine a see-saw down on one side. If you add weight equally, it never moves: it stays unbalanced. If you want it to move (into balance), you have to put more weight on one side. That’s why the expression is BLACK lives matter: just saying ALL lives matter doesn’t shift a thing

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

Ive never said that I don't support BLM, and whether I do or not is nothing to do with you. The events in Reading are part of the equation, because one event in USA gets the world on its feet and statues overthrown. The other some news headlines period.

I suppose Im lucky in some respects, I just don't see colour in people. White, Black, Green whatever has never mattered to me. I was a sales manager for some time in my career. Had a round 60 reps working in my team, so you might imagine recruitment was a significant part of my job. In interviews all I wanted was people with ability. Colour, sex, age just didn't feature. Ability and potential was all, plus of course they had to fit into the company salary scales.

I worked for a Jamaican boss later in my career and we had a great work ethic and rapport. His devotion and energy were legend and set the standard for his business responsibilities.

Ive worked with people from different races all over the world, here and abroad. The most important things I saw and learned over the years is that we appreciate our similarities, likewise our differences and most important that we treat each other with mutual respect and friendship.

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Your lucky that you dont see colour??

Your earlier post you mentioned not seeing any white faces for a few hours apart from staff and how uneasy you were.

Its a nice day go out in the car to Brecon and buy some meat.

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

You need to look at the bigger picture

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So Black Lives Matter is a small thing in the bigger picture?

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

Ive never said that I don't support BLM, and whether I do or not is nothing to do with you. The events in Reading are part of the equation, because one event in USA gets the world on its feet and statues overthrown. The other some news headlines period.

I suppose Im lucky in some respects, I just don't see colour in people. White, Black, Green whatever has never mattered to me. I was a sales manager for some time in my career. Had a round 60 reps working in my team, so you might imagine recruitment was a significant part of my job. In interviews all I wanted was people with ability. Colour, sex, age just didn't feature. Ability and potential was all, plus of course they had to fit into the company salary scales.

I worked for a Jamaican boss later in my career and we had a great work ethic and rapport. His devotion and energy were legend and set the standard for his business responsibilities.

Ive worked with people from different races all over the world, here and abroad. The most important things I saw and learned over the years is that we appreciate our similarities, likewise our differences and most important that we treat each other with mutual respect and friendship.

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So you do support black lives matter ?

I do , if you dont I think it's a perfectly fair question to ask why not ?

Do you think the people supporting the black lives matter movement do not treat people of different races with respect ?

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

From a third person who I trust. You may know from past posts that I used to work for the UK sub of a large USA Pharma company. One of the victims was an American citizen who worked in the UK for a USA Pharma company. You see the link?

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What link?

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

You think I'm a clown, I think you're a bigger one who proves it time and again on here.

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Well done you. When I took a guess at your age yesterday I think in retrospect I greatly over-estimated it.

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

You need to look at the bigger picture

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You need to give your head a wobble. It probably wouldn't do much good, though.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Well done you. When I took a guess at your age yesterday I think in retrospect I greatly over-estimated it.

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Said you? Ha ha.

How old are you again? Boycotted, climbed down and gets his kicks believing he proves everybody wrong on an internet message board. A message board of a team he no longer supports in any way.

Move on lad. It'll do you good.
Please don't list all of your other interests like you have previously. It was boring last time.

Let it go.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

How old are you again? Boycotted, climbed down and gets his kicks believing he proves everybody wrong on an internet message board. A message board of a team he no longer supports in any way.

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I'm 53. I boycotted the club while it was playing home games in red, like I said I would. Didn't go to a single game during that period. Returned to watch a few games now and then since the return to blue, but haven't bought a ticket for a home game as I won't spend any money on the club while Tan is the owner. Some climb-down, huh?

Do I support the club now? Not really, not in the proper sense, although I do like to see it doing well. The big difference is the results don't have any great effect on me either way these days, which is often just as well.

Get my kicks on a message board? Well, it amuses me, that's for sure. Always has. I like posting here when I'm able and I've got nothing better to do. So do you I presume. That's why you're here posting rubbish about non-football topics.

Let what go, sonny Jim? Move on where, laddo? What is it that you're talking about exactly?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

You need to give your head a wobble. It probably wouldn't do much good, though.

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You are probably quite bright, but you’re no strategist

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I'm 53. I boycotted the club while it was playing home games in red, like I said I would. Didn't go to a single game during that period. Returned to watch a few games now and then since the return to blue, but haven't bought a ticket for a home game as I won't spend any money on the club while Tan is the owner. Some climb-down, huh?

Do I support the club now? Not really, not in the proper sense, although I do like to see it doing well. The big difference is the results don't have any great effect on me either way these days, which is often just as well.

Get my kicks on a message board? Well, it amuses me, that's for sure. Always has. I like posting here when I'm able and I've got nothing better to do. So do you I presume. That's why you're here posting rubbish about non-football topics.

Let what go, sonny Jim? Move on where, laddo? What is it that you're talking about exactly?

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I meant move on from a message board of a team you no longer support. All a bit odd wouldn't you say? I come here because I still support the club. You wouldn't find me messing about on a message board of a team I didn't support.

Nice one on the reply I didn't want though. No need to reply to me again. You will but it really isn't needed.

Enjoy your crusade champion message boarder. You've beaten me into submission with your replies.

Enjoy yourself and keep giving people advice from your high horse.

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

You are probably quite bright, but you’re no strategist

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Coming from someone who's attempting to link the Reading incident with the Black Lives Matter movement, I'll take that a compliment.

Come on John, let's try to keep it sensible. The issue is difficult enough to discuss as it is without making ludicrous links to terrorism.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

I meant move on from a message board of a team you no longer support. All a bit odd wouldn't you say? I come here because I still support the club. You wouldn't find me messing about on a message board of a team I didn't support.

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I used this message board for more than a decade before Tan's folly and I've continued to use it ever since. I enjoy using it and I've got many friends and acquaintances who I interact with on here. The fact that a nonentity like you doesn't approve is of no consequence whatsoever. Well done for shoehorning Cardiff City's re-brand into a discussion about racism, though. That was quite an effort.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I used this message board for more than a decade before Tan's folly and I've continued to use it ever since. I enjoy using it and I've got many friends and acquaintances who I interact with on here. The fact that a nonentity like you doesn't approve is of no consequence whatsoever. Well done for shoehorning Cardiff City's re-brand into a discussion about racism, though. That was quite an effort.

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Oh dear. Nonentity. Oh to be a big hitter like yourself. Super star in your own living room you mate.

You can move on now. You really can.

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