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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
Overachieved.?
Heard this when we finished 2nd and got promoted.
Now weve overachieved in 5th.
After 46 games you are where you deserve to me.
So improvements and why cant we kick on?
It's hard to do. There's no guarantee you can improve and there's a lot of teams that have underachieved and will spend money. A lot of our players are getting into their 30s.
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
Des Parrot
Interesting take by many people about next season, I'd prefer to take the chance that's been created this season than gamble on what might happen next season. We've just finished 5th. Do people think we'll suddenly become a top 2 side next season. We've overachieved this season, unless we do something radical and sign a handful of class players, we'll struggle to make the top 6 next season.
I don't think there's a right answer to what would be best for Cardiff next season but I think we need at least another season at this level to make the playing style changes we need. It's also by far the better division for entertainment even if the quality is not as good as the Prem.
On a selfish note I do not wish to bear a whole season of (possibly) watching us being condescended to on the TV every game we play if we're not allowed into the ground. The Premier League is obnoxious enough without having paid for the privilege of suffering that every match day.
So I watched tonight hoping we'd win as I always do but not unhappy that we're unlikely to progress now.
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
Penarth Blues
I don't think there's a right answer to what would be best for Cardiff next season but I think we need at least another season at this level to make the playing style changes we need. It's also by far the better division for entertainment even if the quality is not as good as the Prem.
On a selfish note I do not wish to bear a whole season of (possibly) watching us being condescended to on the TV every game we play if we're not allowed into the ground. The Premier League is obnoxious enough without having paid for the privilege of suffering that every match day.
So I watched tonight hoping we'd win as I always do but not unhappy that we're unlikely to progress now.
Get up, take the money, rebuild, take your medicine and hope we manage to stay there. It's going to be hard to rebuild with no budget and an ageing squad.
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
It's hard to do. There's no guarantee you can improve and there's a lot of teams that have underachieved and will spend money. A lot of our players are getting into their 30s.
The time to rebuild was this summer, but we had Warnock, so that was never going to happen. Now we have less money and an older squad
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
City123
The time to rebuild was this summer, but we had Warnock, so that was never going to happen. Now we have less money and an older squad
We couldn't do a complete rebuild when the best time to bounce back is straight away. Flint and Whyte have been disasters (Flint being entirely predictable) but we lost some big players for nothing. Gunnar, Camarasa, After and Manga went for 3.5m combined.
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
Get up, take the money, rebuild, take your medicine and hope we manage to stay there. It's going to be hard to rebuild with no budget and an ageing squad.
Can't disagree with that but I'm trying to imagine where any joy will be found in a Premiership season where we can't attend many of the games and we're going to get a good kicking too. I'm depressed at the thought of it to be honest.
We may also get turned over in the Championship but at least I'll go to watch City TV knowing we have a chance in every match.
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
Harris got it wrong tonight. How can you pick Pack against a mobile Fulham team?
City had a couple of chances in the first 20 mins but then never looked like creating an opportunity. Basically we never turned up. Ralls spent much of the game doing 2 players' running and doing Pack's work. Harris must be the only person who would put Ralls in the #10 role for last 20 mins? We needed him playing his natural game in the centre of midfield, Mr Harris.
Pack was at fault for the 1st goal. Smithies at fault for 2nd; gave too much space to his left.
This was one game we could have done with Bacuna, Ralls and Vaulks starting in a midfield 3 to close them down. We dropped off so far and gave them so much space it was unbelievable.
At least we wont have to see our manager trying to pit his wits against PL managers next season.
I know we were shocking and barely made it a contest but one last thought ... "Here endeth the the Sky Fulham love-in. It was sickening wall-to-wall drooling."
StT.
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
Penarth Blues
Can't disagree with that but I'm trying to imagine where any joy will be found in a Premiership season where we can't attend many of the games and we're going to get a good kicking too. I'm depressed at the thought of it to be honest.
We may also get turned over in the Championship but at least I'll go to watch City TV knowing we have a chance in every match.
We're really going to struggle now. We've some some players on very decent money, we need to keep the basis of the squad together while rebuilding. It's a big job and we're going to be lumbered with Paterson etc who don't really suit any style of play.
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
Lot of surrender flags being waved on here tonight
We weren't great and it's a mountain to climb on Thursday but Men Of Harlech an' all that...
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
blue lewj
I wanted sixth but if we missed out I wouldn't have been too distraught as I could see something like this happening in the play offs coming a mile off.
It is just the manner of the defeat. Even at 1-0 it seemed like we were still settling for it.
Yes Fulham were good but a lack of any enthusiastic pressing makes these sort of teams look that much better.
Yes, we might have conceded another and it would have been game over but we could well have nicked one back.
As it is we conceded anyway with our lacklustre performance and the tie is dead in the water anyway.
I can take losing but not giving it a good go is unforgivable.
It was a bit timid in the end. I felt at 1-0 we would be fortunate to end that way. Maybe the players felt the same and go again on Thursday. The 2nd goal has killed the tie. The lack of basic skill seems the main issue. We have had our moments this season but the ball is like a hot potato. If you have 30% possession, your luck is going to run out eventually.
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
Bobby Dandruff
It has EVERYTHING to do with tactics.
How many long balls did you see Fulham play? How much possession football did you see us play by passing and moving?
I don’t think that their players are necessarily better than ours, but they have been coached on the basics of football: pass, move, pass,
move, keep the ball, make the other team work to gain possession, not play endless long balls where the chances of maintaining possession are dramatically less.
Who plays like that these days apart from us?
It is EVERYTHING to do with tactics.
If Fulham, Swansea and Brentford can do it, then why can’t our players? Because we have a manager that want to play another way.
We haven’t got the players to play tippy tappy football.
Pack, supposedly our best passer tried the short passing game and gave it away I don’t know how many times.
You can’t just make players better at a trait. Fulham have spent years buying players of that mould. We’ve spent it buying athletic, strong players.
Just because you lead a horse to water, you can’t make it drink.
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
Surrender flags? No a hefty dose of realism, methinks. We might somehow turn it around on Thursday but for that to happen Fulham would need to be as bad as we were tonight.
StT.
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
We're really going to struggle now. We've some some players on very decent money, we need to keep the basis of the squad together while rebuilding. It's a big job and we're going to be lumbered with Paterson etc who don't really suit any style of play.
Possibly. I've seen signs of hope under Harris that he knows how to turn us into a team with a more footballing approach. I also think the world has changed in the last few months and just keeping the club going will be a major success over the next few years. I don't think Premiership money is any help at all with that task - it just gets sucked up by inflated wages.
Harris was brought in to build bridges from the academy to the first team. This is what I am now looking forward to seeing happen as it is the only way I think we're going to succeed as a club in the new financial situation facing football and the UK.
Roll on next season - looking forward to it already :thumbup:
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
Former Labour leader
Only consolation is that Swansea will not beat Fulham
I know it’s not over yet but nobody really thought they’d beat Brentford and I can remember nobody thought they’d beat Reading in the playoff final all those years ago.
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
Steve the Tea
Surrender flags? No a hefty dose of realism, methinks. We might somehow turn it around on Thursday but for that to happen Fulham would need to be as bad as we were tonight.
StT.
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I agree with your second part, however, there are folks talking about next season's Championship campaign while we still have another leg in this tie, I very much doubt the Jack's or their team took this defeatist attitude into the last game of the season having to not only win but to also overturn a five goal difference
This is sadly the difference between the two clubs, we lack self belief and believe we have no business playing in the top tier
UtSL.
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
Splott-light...
I agree with your second part, however, there are folks talking about next season's Championship campaign while we still have another leg in this tie, I very much doubt the Jack's or their team took this defeatist attitude into the last game of the season having to not only win but to also overturn a five goal difference
This is sadly the difference between the two clubs, we lack self belief and believe we have no business playing in the top tier
UtSL.
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Yep - that's me. Normally I'd agree with you about having a positive attitude, and football has a habit of producing the unexpected, but I can't think of a single player for us tonight who won their personal battles - other than perhaps Tomlin. At this moment in time Fulham are out of our reach barring a miracle.
That doesn't mean we won't be playing them next year. If we are then I think they'll be in trouble as their best players are unlikely to want to hang around for another Championship campaign.
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
Penarth Blues
Possibly. I've seen signs of hope under Harris that he knows how to turn us into a team with a more footballing approach. I also think the world has changed in the last few months and just keeping the club going will be a major success over the next few years. I don't think Premiership money is any help at all with that task - it just gets sucked up by inflated wages.
Harris was brought in to build bridges from the academy to the first team. This is what I am now looking forward to seeing happen as it is the only way I think we're going to succeed as a club in the new financial situation facing football and the UK.
Roll on next season - looking forward to it already :thumbup:
Ah 1 early goal and it's game on. We've started well in both games v Fulham and tailed off. We should have been 2 up tonight but we weren't and we can't afford to let that happen on Thursday.
Let's hope Harris continues taking us forward.
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
Splott-light...
I agree with your second part, however, there are folks talking about next season's Championship campaign while we still have another leg in this tie, I very much doubt the Jack's or their team took this defeatist attitude into the last game of the season having to not only win but to also overturn a five goal difference
This is sadly the difference between the two clubs, we lack self belief and believe we have no business playing in the top tier
UtSL.
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You would have to be a supreme optimist to think that City will beat Fulham by a 3 goal margin on Thursday! I don't believe that CCFC has no business playing in the PL, I just believe this City team has no business playing in the PL. It would be a complete humiliation, even if we somehow managed marginally more points than Derby did. The blessing from tonight is that we won't face a defeat by the Jacks. Even if they get past Brentford, they won't beat this Fulham side unless they manage to orchestrate another sending off.
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
Ah 1 early goal and it's game on. We've started well in both games v Fulham and tailed off. We should have been 2 up tonight but we weren't and we can't afford to let that happen on Thursday.
Let's hope Harris continues taking us forward.
I'll be watching the game in hope as always. As you say an early goal for us would make it interesting, and we should have had at least one tonight. Fingers crossed...
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
Splott-light...
Lot of surrender flags being waved on here tonight
We weren't great and it's a MOUNTAIN to climb on Thursday but Men Of Harlech an' all that...
Ya, Pete, all it takes is a bit of Julie Andrews, escaping the Nazi’s !!!!
“Climb Every Mountain” :ayatollah:
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
Splott-light...
I agree with your second part, however, there are folks talking about next season's Championship campaign while we still have another leg in this tie, I very much doubt the Jack's or their team took this defeatist attitude into the last game of the season having to not only win but to also overturn a five goal difference
This is sadly the difference between the two clubs, we lack self belief and believe we have no business playing in the top tier
UtSL.
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Hi bro. I'm certainly not a defeatist and dafter things have happened in football. However do you see our manager having the tactical nous to set up his team correctly to win 3-0 at Fulham?
StT.
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
Gofer Blue
You would have to be a supreme optimist to think that City will beat Fulham by a 3 goal margin on Thursday! I don't believe that CCFC has no business playing in the PL, I just believe this City team has no business playing in the PL. It would be a complete humiliation, even if we somehow managed marginally more points than Derby did. The blessing from tonight is that we won't face a defeat by the Jacks. Even if they get past Brentford, they won't beat this Fulham side unless they manage to orchestrate another sending off.
I am an optimist, we weren't very good tonight and it's nigh on impossible to turn the ties around with a 3 goal reply, however, 2 goals and a clean sheet takes it to penalties...
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
Ya, Pete, all it takes is a bit of Julie Andrews, escaping the Nazi’s !!!!
“Climb Every Mountain” :ayatollah:
C'MON CITYYYYYYYY!!!!
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
Steve the Tea
Hi bro. I'm certainly not a defeatist and dafter things have happened in football. However do you see our manager having the tactical nous to set up his team correctly to win 3-0 at Fulham?
StT.
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2-0, clean sheet and penalties.. LETS GO!!!
Jesus never threw the towel in when faced with a growing crowd while in possession of just two fish
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
Steve the Tea
Hi bro. I'm certainly not a defeatist and dafter things have happened in football. However do you see our manager having the tactical nous to set up his team correctly to win 3-0 at Fulham?
StT.
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I (and Splottparker), seen us win 5-1 at Craven Cottage, after conceding first .
“THOSE WERE THE DAYS MY FRIEND” :thumbup:
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
Splott-light...
2-0, clean sheet and penalties.. LETS GO!!!
Jesus never threw the towel in when faced with a growing crowd while in possession of just two fish
:wink:
We won’t get the ball off them for long enough to score 2..
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
StraightOuttaCanton
We won’t get the ball off them for long enough to score 2..
ok, let's not bother then...
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
Splott-light...
2-0, clean sheet and penalties.. LETS GO!!!
Jesus never threw the towel in when faced with a growing crowd while in possession of just two fish
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OK. Potential for turning this around. The only way this happens for me is that we risk Sanderson at right back again so that Bacuna, Ralls and Vaulks can impose some control on midfield. We then use NML, Hoilett and Tomlin as our main attackers, with the midfield all given licence to rotate in support. We start with no number 9.
I don't think we can afford the number of chances Glatzel needs to score and he doesn't do enough of the other things you expect from a 9 to warrant a place on the pitch.
At least this system should confuse Fulham for a while - just long enough for us to score 3 goals before shutting Fulham out for the rest of the match :thumbup:
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
StraightOuttaCanton
We won’t get the ball off them for long enough to score 2..
lol
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
Penarth Blues
OK. Potential for turning this around. The only way this happens for me is that we risk Sanderson at right back again so that Bacuna, Ralls and Vaulks can impose some control on midfield. We then use NML, Hoilett and Tomlin as our main attackers, with the midfield all given licence to rotate in support. We start with no number 9.
I don't think we can afford the number of chances Glatzel needs to score and he doesn't do enough of the other things you expect from a 9 to warrant a place on the pitch.
At least this system should confuse Fulham for a while - just long enough for us to score 3 goals before shutting Fulham out for the rest of the match :thumbup:
I love it, Fulham know what to expect from a Cardiff City side, switch it up and it may confuse just long enough for us to get a foot back in this competition
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
WJ99mobile
We haven’t got the players to play tippy tappy football.
Pack, supposedly our best passer tried the short passing game and gave it away I don’t know how many times.
You can’t just make players better at a trait. Fulham have spent years buying players of that mould. We’ve spent it buying athletic, strong players.
Just because you lead a horse to water, you can’t make it drink.
I know what you mean (look at Flint!!!) but I don’t agree that players can only play in certain way (they ARE professional footballers after all!)
We have enough players of a decent enough footballing ability not to have to resort to Neanderthal hoof it long and hope for the best football.
And the decision to play that way, in massively stark contrast to the other teams in the play offs, lies at Harris’ door.
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
Bobby Dandruff
I know what you mean (look at Flint!!!) but I don’t agree that players can only play in certain way (they ARE professional footballers after all!)
We have enough players of a decent enough footballing ability not to have to resort to Neanderthal hoof it long and hope for the best football.
And the decision to play that way, in massively stark contrast to the other teams in the play offs, lies at Harris’ door.
Harris is changing things. If we went completely total possession football, we'd have got stuffed in loads of games this season. They've spent the last 3 seasons lumping it at every opportunity. There's a definite improvement in style of play. Harris has spent no money and has actually cut the budget. If he didn't get us in the top 6, it would be a failure, now we've got beaten by a team that spent 50m this season alone, he's a failure? Get a grip.
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
Dreadful performance.
We have a massive inferiority complex playing Fulham and always give them way too much respect. Was obvious what was going to happen. Bar the 4-2 in the prem when we actually attacked them as we had no choice after going 1-0 down, we never do. Didn’t lay a glove on them at home in the promotion season. That 1-0 away in the Prem was dreadful. Couldn’t see them off with an extra man after arter sent off and dreadful a few weeks ago against them.
Why we give that defence so much respect is beyond me. Rubbish tonight tbh.
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
Let’s face it - in the unlikely event of a promotion, Warnock would be insufferable, banging on about how he built the team and claiming another promotion! 😉
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
The Hooded Claw
Let’s face it - in the unlikely event of a promotion, Warnock would be insufferable, banging on about how he built the team and claiming another promotion!
lol. True!
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
Bobby Dandruff
I know what you mean (look at Flint!!!) but I don’t agree that players can only play in certain way (they ARE professional footballers after all!)
We have enough players of a decent enough footballing ability not to have to resort to Neanderthal hoof it long and hope for the best football.
And the decision to play that way, in massively stark contrast to the other teams in the play offs, lies at Harris’ door.
But for some teams they buckle under hoofball. I’ve seen it work. Fulham’s Odoi hates crosses coming into the box, admittedly didn’t play today.
Nothing wrong with route one but not all the time agreed
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
Bobby Dandruff
Really embarrassing.
Shame on Harris and his dinosaur tactics. Just embarrassing compared to the opposition just playing simple pass and move football.
Embarrassing.
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
WJ99mobile
Pato should have started.
Don’t care if he’s not got the quality, he would have done more than some of those out there today
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
Bobby Dandruff
I’m sorry but making excuses for Fulham,
BRENTFORD and the JB’s being better placed for success than us, a Premier League side last year, is laughable!
How can Brentford bringing in skilful players over the last few years or Swansea having a superior scouting network, be reasons for them being better than us?
I’m not having a go at you Q Monky but I just don’t think that those teams have such significantly superior players than ours. I just don’t. I think that our players are at least as good as theirs.
How can Brentford bringing in skilful players over the last few years or Swansea having a superior scouting network, be reasons for them being better than us?
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Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 2 FULHAM. Matchday thread
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
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You know hes messing. You're more of a Pato fan than he is