The War starts Putin announces "Military Operation" in Ukraine. Explosions heard in Kyiv

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

What would you have said if the UK and America et al put tanks into Ukraine in 2016 or 2018 or any other time. The opposition would have been enormous

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If the military and strategic case had been explained then any person of reasonable balance would have agreed 👍

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Bit pointless banging on about what the response has been if you haven't got a clue what you'd do differently though

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Build up forces in Eastern regions

We had years to do it

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

But it sticks in the throat somewhat when the person saying we should have done more, send troop or whatever, has spent for ever slagging off the government for actually doing things and thinks the UK is an agent of the US and everything it does is bad. He's a fecking joke.

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Well that would be applicable if that were true

Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel

Or so it says

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

That's not the reason why we went in , you realise that don't you ?

That bar of chocolate led to a lot of rotten teeth

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doesn't really make a lot of difference, as my point was, something was achieved, we got rid of a evil dictator who was committing genocide on the Kurds

or shall we ignore that as it doesn't fit in with your anti war stance

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

My point is that all the people who regularly slag off the UK could easily go somewhere else but don't. Unlike the people of ukraine who have nowhere to go. I don't agree with everything this country does but I know people in the EU who have told me that bexit or not if they were to they had to go home they'd have to be dragged kicking and screaming because UK is far and away better than where they were born If people like sludge think this place is so bad I'd love to know where they would prefer to live.

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What an absurd nationalistic load of nonsense

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Originally Posted by blue matt

doesn't really make a lot of difference, as my point was, something was achieved, we got rid of a evil dictator who was committing genocide on the Kurds

or shall we ignore that as it doesn't fit in with your anti war stance

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Whoosh

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

you can twist things as much as you want but I know that you understand exactly what I mean. you have all these links to this and that saying but the fact remains he and people like him continually berate th4 government for getting involved in wars they thing the government should not get involved in, and then he gets up om his hind legs and start slagging off the government for not getting involved in a war that has nothing to do with us directly. He, and you, can't have it both ways.
Sit in the sates and tell everybody how useless the UK is by all means, but do not seek to lecture me, I've been there and done it. You just spout shite!! End of!

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Cobblers

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Originally Posted by stan butler

Sludge is a mixed up fool.

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Oh god dad's army is back

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

No, I disagree with them because they talk absolute shite and use the situation to pursue their own political agenda.

I also absolutely defend their right to talk absolute shite.

I do also think a lot of people in the UK are unpatriotic, and that's absolutely fine. It's weird, but it's fine and patriotism is a poorly defined concept anyway. It does frustrate me how quick some people are to talk down their own country incessantly however, and ignore the good and illuminate the bad disproportionately.

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I defend your right to speak absoloute shite defending the Tories on here day in day out

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Build up forces in Eastern regions

We had years to do it

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Are you serious ? It's the 'build up' of forces in eastern Europe, and the joining of NATO of most of those Countries in the last 15 years - despite assurances from the USA and NATO - that they wouldn't, that rattled Putin's cage.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I defend your right to speak absoloute shite defending the Tories on here day in day out

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Imagine we had Corbyn running the show now god forbid, kids might be learning Russian in schools already

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Originally Posted by goats

Imagine we had Corbyn running the show now god forbid, kids might be learning Russian in schools already

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Feckin hell is this a joke 😳

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Are you serious ? It's the 'build up' of forces in eastern Europe, and the joining of NATO of most of those Countries in the last 15 years - despite assurances from the USA and NATO - that they wouldn't, that rattled Putin's cage.

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We didn't do enough , it was drip drip , showing him we meant business and developing an axis would have stopped this and left him pondering what to do instead of the other way round

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

We didn't do enough , it was drip drip , showing him we meant business and developing an axis would have stopped this and left him pondering what to do instead of the other way round

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They will no doubt build up a huge forces now in Poland, Germany and the other Baltic states. Get them all in, point missiles at Russia and see how he likes it. He will only backtrack when he feels threatened. The sooner he gets taken out, the sooner the world can crack on in peace

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Feckin hell is this a joke ��

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:hehe:

Why is it said that Europe has been peaceful for 70 years? The Yugoslavian break up was quite brutal.

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Originally Posted by goats

Imagine we had Corbyn running the show now god forbid, kids might be learning Russian in schools already

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Learning Russian wouldn't be a bad idea, I was taught it at age 15.

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Originally Posted by goats

Imagine we had Corbyn running the show now god forbid, kids might be learning Russian in schools already

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Corbyn would be secretly sending pokes and friend requests to Putin :facepalm::hehe:

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Originally Posted by goats

Imagine we had Corbyn running the show now god forbid, kids might be learning Russian in schools already

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So the man who wanted to get Russian money out of British politics, the only one who wanted to sanction the oligarchs is the Russian!?

While the tories who actually are funded by Russian money, and let's not ****ing forget brexit as well are all clear in this?!

No wonder this country is seeing the biggest fall in living standards in living memory with utter retards like you falling for things like that hook line and sinker. Honestly thick as shit.

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Originally Posted by Doucas

So the man who wanted to get Russian money out of British politics, the only one who wanted to sanction the oligarchs is the Russian!?

While the tories who actually are funded by Russian money, and let's not ****ing forget brexit as well are all clear in this?!

No wonder this country is seeing the biggest fall in living standards in living memory with utter retards like you falling for things like that hook line and sinker. Honestly thick as shit.

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Calling a poster a retard ? :facepalm:

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Learning Russian wouldn't be a bad idea, I was taught it at age 15.

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I did it from 13 to 15. My Russian vocabulary is now limited to the words for pencil, idiot and cabbage soup!

Danish government: We'll take 20,000 Ukrainian refugees.

Polish government: You don't need a passport. Come here for safety & you can even bring your pets.

UK government: We lit up some buildings blue & yellow.

Feckin Tories :puke:

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Learning Russian wouldn't be a bad idea, I was taught it at age 15.

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In a world without Putin for sure, can’t see it being useful in the current climate

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

Danish government: We'll take 20,000 Ukrainian refugees.

Polish government: You don't need a passport. Come here for safety & you can even bring your pets.

UK government: We lit up some buildings blue & yellow.

Feckin Tories :puke:

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I see Drakeford has offered to help, that nice of him. He should have a word with the local councils though as a few hotels are still full of the Afghani people as they cannot house them just yet…..great to take them but where do you put them?

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Originally Posted by goats

In a world without Putin for sure, can’t see it being useful in the current climate

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It'll be useful to tell them to "shut up and go home"

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I did it from 13 to 15. My Russian vocabulary is now limited to the words for pencil, idiot and cabbage soup!

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Пиво is etched on my mind. As long as I can order a beer wherever I go life is good.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Oh god dad's army is back

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I never went away unlike you.

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

Danish government: We'll take 20,000 Ukrainian refugees.

Polish government: You don't need a passport. Come here for safety & you can even bring your pets.

UK government: We lit up some buildings blue & yellow.

Feckin Tories :puke:

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Where have the uk goverment been quoted saying this? :sherlock:

Russia now claiming Putin offered a halt to hostilities in the expectation of talks yesterday with Zelenskiy but didn’t get a response.

According to this leaked document ITN have got hold of, Rissia are expecting heavy casualties.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/leaked-doc...121258489.html

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Russia now claiming Putin offered a halt to hostilities in the expectation of talks yesterday with Zelenskiy but didn’t get a response.

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Putin also believes the moon is made of green cheese

Apparently, Greta Thunberg and Leonardo DiCaprio are to blame for the Ukrainian invasion

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...s-russia-putin

Ukraine conflict: Further false images shared online

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60528276

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

It is a simple soundbite. We will all sit back and watch it unfold in the media, whilst saying under our breath ‘glad it isn’t us’
It could be soon though if you let tyrants like Putin have their way.

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I'd love to see the UK and its allies send the Russian army scurrying home with a show of force, I just don't think it's as simple as "send in the troops", if you're going to start WWIII then it probably shouldn't be the first thing you do

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Originally Posted by stan butler

Calling a poster a retard ? :facepalm:

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He shouldn't have said that but he's right that it does beggar belief that it's common knowledge that the Tories are awash with Russian money and yet some people happily ignore that and attack Corbyn

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I'd love to see the UK and its allies send the Russian army scurrying home with a show of force, I just don't think it's as simple as "send in the troops", if you're going to start WWIII then it probably shouldn't be the first thing you do

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The Russian military are overated in my opinion.
They have numbers but i don't believe they have the training to match neither does it's tank commanders and airforce.
I wouldn't be surprised if many troops don't want to be there but joined due to threats towards their families if they didn't.

Interesting stuff from a Brit in what I still call Kiev.

https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/...786476032?s=21

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Originally Posted by stan butler

The Russian military are overated in my opinion.
They have numbers but i don't believe they have the training to match neither does it's tank commanders and airforce.
I wouldn't be surprised if many troops don't want to be there but joined due to threats towards their families if they didn't.

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F**king hell Stan you need to tell someone you don't rate them, it could change the entire course of the war

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Originally Posted by delmbox

He shouldn't have said that but he's right that it does beggar belief that it's common knowledge that the Tories are awash with Russian money and yet some people happily ignore that and attack Corbyn

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No russian handouts under Labour? The russians have been quite generous long before this conservative goverment

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Originally Posted by stan butler

The Russian military are overated in my opinion.
They have numbers but i don't believe they have the training to match neither does it's tank commanders and airforce.
I wouldn't be surprised if many troops don't want to be there but joined due to threats towards their families if they didn't.

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You sound knowledgeable. Do you work in intelligence?