FT: WALES 0 - 2 IRAN. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue

Really?

You are comparing yourself to 2 World Class players who have elevated the profile of Wales to heights never seen before.

Bonkers!!

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I'm not comparing myself to anybody, just giving an example of the mindset that exists in the professional game.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

I'm not comparing myself to anybody, just giving an example of the mindset that exists in the professional game.

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😂😂😂

What pro game and how recently was this massive injustice taken against you.?

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Originally Posted by The Hooded Claw

My god, that was a painful watch and a disaster in every way.

They couldn't string two passes together, far too many long balls, wasteful in possession, kept giving the ball to Iran (with Allen at fault for the last goal). It's the worst I've seen us play in a very long time and reminded me of the bad old days.

Special mention to Ramsey, who was absolute pants.

Iran wanted it more and were deserved winners. We couldn't get the basics right and have been punished for it.

Part of the problem, is that we've come across as Plucky Little Wales and we're happy just to be at the World Cup. I think that has affected our psyche.

And the pundits - Williams and Rush were so patronising about the performance. I'd be surprised if any player is worth more than a 4 out of 10, as no one came out of that with any credit.

Gabby Logan looked a bit awkward at the end of it.

At least we can now confirm that it's time for a rebuild.

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I’m sitting in Doha airport with my 3 boys waiting for our flight back to Dubai later.

What caught my eye about your post was the reference to ‘the bad old days’ as I said to my boys towards the end of the game that it was like watching Wales from years gone by when you almost did so through the fingers of your hands as they got dominated and conceded chance after chance. Horrible to witness.

Really hard to feel positive atm! :-/

It would have been good player management if Bale had been dropped from the starting line up. He would have been angry and comming on with 25 minutes left he would not have to conserve energy and would have something to prove.

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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue

Really?

You are comparing yourself to 2 World Class players who have elevated the profile of Wales to heights never seen before.

Bonkers!!

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He’s utterly delusional :hehe: :hehe:

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Youve watched football for 60 years and are still clueless after all this time. You should have taken up a different hobby.

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Why ? Why are you always so abusive, rude and angry.

It's just a football message board.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Why ? Why are you always so abusive, rude and angry.

It's just a football message board.

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Oh the irony

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Originally Posted by Hilts

😂😂😂

What pro game and how recently was this massive injustice taken against you.?

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It wasn't a pro game, but the mentality was still still there. That's why I can't get my head around Page, he doesn't seem to be in control. Maybe Bale or Ramsey should be the next non-playing manager.

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Originally Posted by jeepster

Iran gave us a lesson on how to play football,energy how to cross the ball and the ability to have a shoot on goal.
Well played Iran.

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Iran looked like a parks outfit against England, yet they strolled through us without too much effort and could have beaten us 4-0. This wasn't just a bad performance by a very average Wales team, it was a Wales team that was virtually a 9 man team. Feel sorry for those other players who won't get another chance, and the fans who spent a small fortune to go out there. 11 fully fit, competing players could probably have won today.

All this 9 man team bollox.

FFS the 2 players have carried us for years.

As if the other 9 were any better.

Very disappointed but I can feel the dust settling a bit in my head already. I've been watching Wales for 30 years now and if you'd said to me during the Gould or Toshack years that I'd be disappointed one day to see Wales not progress from a World Cup group (which still isn't impossible) I'd have considered sectioning you.

Yes, we were awful but realistically there have been very few times (if ever) that a dud Welsh performance wasn't a very real possibility, regardless of the team named on paper. It's gutting but next Tuesday is a chance to restore some pride , play without fear and shake things up. I'm not daft enough to think we can win but the message has to be let's give the English a game and try and leave this World Cup with our heads held up.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

All this 9 man team bollox.

FFS the 2 players have carried us for years.

As if the other 9 were any better.

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Those 2 players actually made the other 9 better players. Not today, but for the best part of 7 years or so. Great players possess the ability to drag the ordinary on to greatness. So when people see a world class performance from Bale or Ramsey, it's only right that they understand that their ability and work pulls an extra 10% out of the average players. They were and are much more than just match winners.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Those 2 players actually made the other 9 better players. Not today, but for the best part of 7 years or so. Great players possess the ability to drag the ordinary on to greatness. So when people see a world class performance from Bale or Ramsey, it's only right that they understand that their ability and work pulls an extra 10% out of the average players. They were and are much more than just match winners.

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TBF, when your legs start to go the decline is pretty rapid.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

TBF, when your legs start to go the decline is pretty rapid.

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Indeed.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Those 2 players actually made the other 9 better players. Not today, but for the best part of 7 years or so. Great players possess the ability to drag the ordinary on to greatness. So when people see a world class performance from Bale or Ramsey, it's only right that they understand that their ability and work pulls an extra 10% out of the average players. They were and are much more than just match winners.

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Exactly

Feel sorry for the other players be ****ed. Players playing mostly championship or below at best in terms of ability, who wouldn’t have a sniff of travelling to a World Cup or Euros for that matter if it wasn’t for Bale and Ramsey.

They should be thanking them for hanging on to their coat tails for so long and being taken on a wonderful journey.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Those 2 players actually made the other 9 better players. Not today, but for the best part of 7 years or so. Great players possess the ability to drag the ordinary on to greatness. So when people see a world class performance from Bale or Ramsey, it's only right that they understand that their ability and work pulls an extra 10% out of the average players. They were and are much more than just match winners.

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That's all very romantic and correct

But what did they do today ?

At least we can watch the matches without stressing how they are going to affect Wales progression in the tournament.

Watching the Wales v Eng game will now be stress free with the knowledge that qualification is now out of question, unless something extra-ordinary happens.

Thats the only the smallest crumb of positivity from today.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

That's all very romantic and correct

But what did they do today ?

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They cant carry us forever.

Wales Golf Madrid in that order.

Golf, Golf and er, Golf in that order today. Two of Wales' greats, at the ripe old age of 33 and 31, were rubbish today. Makes you wonder what might have been.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

That's all very romantic and correct

But what did they do today ?

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F uckoff sludge.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Exactly

Feel sorry for the other players be ****ed. Players playing mostly championship or below at best in terms of ability, who wouldn’t have a sniff of travelling to a World Cup or Euros for that matter if it wasn’t for Bale and Ramsey.

They should be thanking them for hanging on to their coat tails for so long and being taken on a wonderful journey.

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I think that you and me could have gone on for 10 minutes out wide and Bale and co could have carried us :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

F uckoff sludge.

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Now stop it

They both had very poor games

We know they were world class

But I think today its fair to feel Naffed off ?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Now stop it

They both had very poor games

We know they were world class

But I think today its fair to feel Naffed off ?

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They're both finished in my opinion. I can't feel pissed off at either Bale or Ramsey though.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

They cant carry us forever.

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Of course not and both were surely going to retire

But they were just flat today , I expected more from both of them

That doesn't mean we want them hung , drawn and quartered, just that we are pissed off

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

They're both finished in my opinion. I can't feel pissed off at either Bale or Ramsey though.

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Do you remember standing by me with your old man on a wet Tuesday night seeing a Bluebirds player run half hearted towards the ball and say to me ......hes finished .....and a few months later he was

Remember who that was ?

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Originally Posted by caerkid

Very disappointed but I can feel the dust settling a bit in my head already. I've been watching Wales for 30 years now and if you'd said to me during the Gould or TOSHACK years that I'd be disappointed one day to see Wales not progress from a World Cup group (which still isn't impossible) I'd have considered sectioning you.

Yes, we were awful but realistically there have been very few times (if ever) that a dud Welsh performance wasn't a very real possibility, regardless of the team named on paper. It's gutting but next Tuesday is a chance to restore some pride , play without fear and shake things up. I'm not daft enough to think we can win but the message has to be let's give the English a game and try and leave this World Cup with our heads held up.

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You should be thanking Tosh, for giving us, Bale, Ramsey, amongst others. He started it !

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Of course not and both were surely going to retire

But they were just flat today , I expected more from both of them

That doesn't mean we want them hung , drawn and quartered, just that we are pissed off

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Two games in four days is hard work in that heat, especially when your fitness is not at 100% to begin with, and Page has to take responsibility for that (if he really was the one in charge).

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

You should be thanking Tosh, for giving us, Bale, Ramsey, amongst others. He started it !

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Your not seriously saying Tosh gave us Ramsey and Bale.😂

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Do you remember standing by me with your old man on a wet Tuesday night seeing a Bluebirds player run half hearted towards the ball and say to me ......hes finished .....and a few months later he was

Remember who that was ?

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I remember standing next to you on that evening, and i remember standing next to you when you outed a few bonehead racists (power to your elbow sludge) can't remember who the player was though?

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Two games in four days is hard work in that heat, especially when your fitness is not at 100% to begin with, and Page has to take responsibility for that (if he really was the person in charge).

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I think that there should have been a conversation about it, maybe there was and Page trusted their judgement. Also, Page would have been a brave man not to start with Bale. We aren't England if you get what i'm saying.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I remember standing next to you on that evening, and i remember standing next to you when you outed a few bonehead racists (power to your elbow sludge) can't remember who the player was though?

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Ex Arsenal

Bought for his dressing room influence

Which was a relief as by the time he was playing for us he was shot to bits

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Originally Posted by D. Advocaat

Wales Golf Madrid in that order.

Golf, Golf and er, Golf in that order today. Two of Wales' greats, at the ripe old age of 33 and 31, were rubbish today. Makes you wonder what might have been.

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Yeah makes you wonder how shit we would have been the last decade without the pair of them

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

You should be thanking Tosh, for giving us, Bale, Ramsey, amongst others. He started it !

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I've already said my views on some of the revisionism that I see creeping in on the Tosh years. Can't deny he gave them games but I promise you it was no golden era for the quality of football.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Your not seriously saying Tosh gave us Ramsey and Bale.��

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2006

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ls/5310330.stm

More youngsters were to follow.

If you don’t know that Tosh started what Speed and Coleman carried on, please don’t get involved, as you’ll show yourself up

Watch episode 2 of Together Stronger, to enlighten yourself

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Ex Arsenal

Bought for his dressing room influence

Which was a relief as by the time he was playing for us he was shot to bits

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Kevin Campbell?

We have been poor in this tournament so no complaints about going out. However this generation of Welsh players have given us so much. Three major tournaments including that unforgettable run in 2016. So no criticism from me but just gratitude for some wonderful memories at the CCS and wonderful wins in finals tournaments. They are our golden generation but the key players are now past their best.

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

2006

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ls/5310330.stm

More youngsters were to follow.

If you don’t know that Tosh started what Speed and Coleman carried on, please don’t get involved, as you’ll show yourself up

Watch episode 2 of Together Stronger, to enlighten yourself

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I dont know why but I think Bale and Ramsey may well have found themselves in the squad without Tosh.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Ex Arsenal

Bought for his dressing room influence

Which was a relief as by the time he was playing for us he was shot to bits

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Sounds like Kevin Campbell to me.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Sounds like Kevin Campbell to me.

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If i did call it that Kevin Campbell was finished at any level, then i take no credit whatsoever for it :hehe:

Simon Davey being interviewed outside the ground as a fan witn his Welsh shirt on. Barnsley manager in our FA Cup semi final.