FT: BLACKBURN ROVERS 1 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

You told us to wait for Nathan Jones earlier...

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Correct.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Very unfortunate with the goal, 0-0 would have been about correct. Blackburn were certainly no better than us and were beatable. Frustrating that we did have a few decent chances, Rinomhota shitting out of that header was a case in point. Blackburn 3rd! A stark indication of this division’s quality. Oh for someone to put the ball in the net.

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Well said SP.

Long way to go.

Drama queens everywhere.

:xmasayatollah:

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

A good coach like Beale would make a big difference in my view.

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Perhaps but I think any manager at this level would have their work cut out with the shower of a line up we put out today. 3 of them are miles off the level required. I cannot believe we paid a fee for Simpson, while we are starting both Whyte and Harris. It’s embarrassing. Sang probably isn’t good enough but at least he’s not noticeably bad. Those three on the other hand… I really like Whyte and Harris, too. They work their socks off but they are crap, and they’re getting regular game time. Says it all.

I do think someone like Wilder could get a tune out of them but it’s a big ask. The squad is a complete mess.

My bad mood today with my cold has been made much worse by this result.
A late afternoon visit to one of my favourite places, Whitesands St David's has not improved my mood at all.
Hudson OUT!!!@@

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Perhaps but I think any manager at this level would have their work cut out with the shower of a line up we put out today. 3 of them are miles off the level required. I cannot believe we paid a fee for Simpson, while we are starting both Whyte and Harris. It’s embarrassing. Sang probably isn’t good enough but at least he’s not noticeably bad. Those three on the other hand… I really like Whyte and Harris, too. They work their socks off but they are crap, and they’re getting regular game time. Says it all.

I do think someone like Wilder could get a tune out of them but it’s a big ask. The squad is a complete mess.

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We have a number of players than can be classed as 'OK' - Whyte, Sang, Harris, Ng, but Hudson is becoming more pragmatic in his line ups each game. Until 6 or 7 games ago we were creating chances but not taking them - we're now struggling to threaten sides at all. When the season ends and one or two sides have been relegated by a couple of points, it's having to many 'ordinary' players in your team that causes the problems.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Perhaps but I think any manager at this level would have their work cut out with the shower of a line up we put out today. 3 of them are miles off the level required. I cannot believe we paid a fee for Simpson, while we are starting both Whyte and Harris. It’s embarrassing. Sang probably isn’t good enough but at least he’s not noticeably bad. Those three on the other hand… I really like Whyte and Harris, too. They work their socks off but they are crap, and they’re getting regular game time. Says it all.

I do think someone like Wilder could get a tune out of them but it’s a big ask. The squad is a complete mess.

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Steve Morison said we didn’t pay a fee for Simpson.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Steve Morison said we didn’t pay a fee for Simpson.

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And that was too much.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

We have a number of players than can be classed as 'OK' - Whyte, Sang, Harris, Ng, but Hudson is becoming more pragmatic in his line ups each game. Until 6 or 7 games ago we were creating chances but not taking them - we're now struggling to threaten sides at all. When the season ends and one or two sides have been relegated by a couple of points, it's having to many 'ordinary' players in your team that causes the problems.

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I’d agree with this, we’ve had trouble scoring all season, but the last three games have been a lot worse in that respect.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Steve Morison said we didn’t pay a fee for Simpson.

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https://www.rangers.co.uk/article/ja...SGvqDGeAdvZ045

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

We have a number of players than can be classed as 'OK' - Whyte, Sang, Harris, Ng, but Hudson is becoming more pragmatic in his line ups each game. Until 6 or 7 games ago we were creating chances but not taking them - we're now struggling to threaten sides at all. When the season ends and one or two sides have been relegated by a couple of points, it's having to many 'ordinary' players in your team that causes the problems.

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Of those four, only Ng is an "OK" player by Championship standards. Whyte and Harris are crap and Sang barely plays.

If our squad were full of "ordinary" players then our results would probably be "ordinary" as well and we wouldn't be in a relegation battle.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

https://www.rangers.co.uk/article/ja...SGvqDGeAdvZ045

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How does that make what I said wrong? Morison said he was a free transfer.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

How does that make what I said wrong? Morison said he was a free transfer.

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Undisclosed fee suggests a fee was paid.

Ive never heard free transfer been put in undisclosed fee category.

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Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy

Of those four, only Ng is an "OK" player by Championship standards. Whyte and Harris are crap and Sang barely plays.

If our squad were full of "ordinary" players then our results would probably be "ordinary" as well and we wouldn't be in a relegation battle.

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I think 'ordinary' is a not as good as 'average'. If we had Brereton-Diaz, Gallagher and Dack, we could perhaps carry one or two, but we don't.

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

Put it this way, I won't risk wasting another £12 for a NOW TV Sky Sports Day Pass to watch 'em. Will stick with CCFC audio!

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Wise move after all then - £12 better off. Hats off to those long suffering fans who travelled.

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Originally Posted by rich munn

Well said SP.

Long way to go.

Drama queens everywhere.

:xmasayatollah:

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You are a wise , sage and learned chap

But even you can surely see we are going down with Hudson

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Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff

I’d be absolutely delighted with 14th atm.

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Given the players we have and his time at Boro, you'd have to be barking to think Warnock would get us to 14th.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Undisclosed fee suggests a fee was paid.

Ive never heard free transfer been put in undisclosed fee category.

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It boils down to who you believe doesn’t it, all I’m saying is what our then manager answered when asked if a fee had been paid for Simpson. It’s possible that both could be right, if, for example, there was no transfer fee but City took over the remainder of Simpson’s contract with Rangers - I can remember that happening with Gareth Ainsworth when he came here and it was reported we’d paid 50k (what was left on the contract) for him.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

We have a number of players than can be classed as 'OK' - Whyte, Sang, Harris, Ng, but Hudson is becoming more pragmatic in his line ups each game. Until 6 or 7 games ago we were creating chances but not taking them - we're now struggling to threaten sides at all. When the season ends and one or two sides have been relegated by a couple of points, it's having to many 'ordinary' players in your team that causes the problems.

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Whyte and Harris aren't OK. Whyte was a squad player for Oxford last season and Harris is crap. He's really reverted to type. Sang is fine, he's not terrible. Ng is average, he's got major deficiencies as a centre half. He's short, and he drops off all the time.

Hudson is panicking, because we are shit. I don't blame him. I don't know what I'd do. We are up shit creek.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Steve Morison said we didn’t pay a fee for Simpson.

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Good, although we're still paying his wages. Rangers fans were laughing their heads off when we signed him...

We've wasted so much money on wages this summer. Simpson, Sawyers, Ojo, Whyte, Nkounkou etc, all players that aren't up to it on decent money. We've got 27 first teamers. If we drop that to 22, we save 5 players' wages, which is £2.5m. It is mental money. We could have bought two good players with that. Morison and the recruitment team have put us in the same position we were last summer, with a squad of crap players that nobody wants just eating away at the wage budget.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

How does that make what I said wrong? Morison said he was a free transfer.

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He did, yes.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...ation-24717923

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Originally Posted by rich munn

Well said SP.

Long way to go.

Drama queens everywhere.

:xmasayatollah:

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True, but I'd hate this squad to be in the bottom 3 with 10 games to go - we're starting to struggle with confidence now, it would be shot to pieces by then. It does feel that the time's nearly up for Hudson.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You are a wise , sage and learned chap

But even you can surely see we are going down with Hudson

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Possibly, but the original post had a point - as bad as we were, we didn't really deserve to lose that. We lost thanks to a fortunate deflection. For me it was disappointing that we didn't have another gear to go into to really take the game to them.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

The 500 fans going up there deserve a medal

Bluebirds

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283 apparently. But still an impressive turnout all things considered.

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Originally Posted by Baloo

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:hehe:

That's brilliant. Top piece of piss-taking.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

True, but I'd hate this squad to be in the bottom 3 with 10 games to go - we're starting to struggle with confidence now, it would be shot to pieces by then. It does feel that the time's nearly up for Hudson.

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The last three games have been played in a manner which suggests that the team came off against Blackpool thinking “if we can’t win a game like that, we’ll never win one”.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Good, although we're still paying his wages. Rangers fans were laughing their heads off when we signed him...

We've wasted so much money on wages this summer. Simpson, Sawyers, Ojo, Whyte, Nkounkou etc, all players that aren't up to it on decent money. We've got 27 first teamers. If we drop that to 22, we save 5 players' wages, which is £2.5m. It is mental money. We could have bought two good players with that. Morison and the recruitment team have put us in the same position we were last summer, with a squad of crap players that nobody wants just eating away at the wage budget.

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how do you know they would save that figure ?

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

The last three games have been played in a manner which suggests that the team came off against Blackpool thinking “if we can’t win a game like that, we’ll never win one”.

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The word unlucky seems to be coming up a lot…..guess we just are:shrug:

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Originally Posted by poc

how do you know they would save that figure ?

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10k a week in wages, 500k a year. 2.5m saved. That's probably a low estimate for people like Sawyers and Ojo.

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Originally Posted by goats

The word unlucky seems to be coming up a lot…..guess we just are:shrug:

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At some stage, you stop being unlucky and you start being rubbish.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

At some stage, you stop being unlucky and you start being rubbish.

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no, you can definitely be both

Not sure we're any luckier or unlucky than any other season.

It is just when you're in the brown stuff as we are currently then the decisions and rubs of the green not coming off impact that much more.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

Not sure we're any luckier or unlucky than any other season.

It is just when you're in the brown stuff as we are currently then the decisions and rubs of the green not coming off impact that much more.

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We were definitely lucky last season due to a few clubs having points deducted. We may well have gone down last year , if it wasn’t for the deduction’s as the pressure of being closer to the bottom would have affected the team and perhaps galvanised the clubs around us.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

We were definitely lucky last season due to a few clubs having points deducted. We may well have gone down last year , if it wasn’t for the deduction’s as the pressure of being closer to the bottom would have affected the team and perhaps galvanised the clubs around us.

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I think the introduction of Doyle Drameh and Hugill was good business and we were never going down after they came in.

If we could sign them now we would stay up.

We cant though so are in the brown stuff.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

We were definitely lucky last season due to a few clubs having points deducted. We may well have gone down last year , if it wasn’t for the deduction’s as the pressure of being closer to the bottom would have affected the team and perhaps galvanised the clubs around us.

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One person might see that as luck, another as justice.

Those clubs paid the price for mismanagement. That's what the penalties are there for. Virtually all of those clubs would have known it was coming. We just benefitted.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

One person might see that as luck, another as justice.

Those clubs paid the price for mismanagement. That's what the penalties are there for. Virtually all of those clubs would have known it was coming. We just benefitted.

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I knew a day would come when I would agree with one of your posts. Today it is! :xmasthumbup:

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I knew a day would come when I would agree with one of your posts. Today it is! :xmasthumbup:

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You can't disagree with them all surely?

Haha