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That is a good point, in the December 2021 election there was 2,307877 people registered to vote, of those only 47% voted, that would bring the total number who voted to approx 1,800000, leaving the percentage of the people who signed the petition to around 17% and increasing every minute, just checked it now stands at over 306000Quote:
Originally Posted by olderblue
give it a few weeks and everyone will have gotten used to it and moved on with their lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
the idiots who are currently out there driving at 20 in a 30 zone or higher will have also worked out what's what by then too
Whatever people say about petitions, there is no doubt that this is a huge one, by far the largest in the senedd's history and one that if applied across the UK would amount to some 6m signatories. That one trying to reverse Brexit the day after the vote got to 4m from recollection.
It's pretty significant and Labour would be foolish to ignore it.
I think we'll see some rowing back of it all, the return to 30 on several key urban roads and people will largely ignore it going forward, so all sides will take something from it
Surely he can’t not be on a wind up?Quote:
Originally Posted by superfeathers
That would mean he believes what he posts - and no one can be that dense, or obsessed, or incontinent.
Not sure if this hs already been posted.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...limit-27480524
Quite a few 30 signs still up around Penylan and Roath on roads that I'm pretty sure are supposed to be 20.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trigger
Over 300000 people think it is not better for the citizens of Wales and doesn't improve the country. This is one of the biggest Senedd petitions ever. If the WAG don't take any notice of it, they do so at their peril. It is only your opinion that the new limits are a good idea and over 300000 people disagree with you. You have absolutely no evidence that it will do any good.Quote:
Originally Posted by 79blue
You should know about the last 3Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
I disagree. People will continue to ignore it. I haven't come across a driver who has stuck to 20mph today. People will stop bothering and will carry on as they have done as it is impossible to police.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
On this rare occasion, I agree with you. It isn't one of the biggest Senedd petitions ever btw, it is THE biggest by a country mile. The suggestion from 79blue that it isn't representative of the population is utter rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
The next thing that needs to happen is a voter intention survey asking the public if it intends voting differently over this issue. If it showed it is prepared to, Drakeford has a gun against his head.
Petition at 322,207, someone has a democratic voice and its people . Think we should petition or the removal of Drakeford.
We've had it on trial in Abergavenny for months, most people don't stick to the 20 limit once you get out of town anyway. Most will speed up once you get onto the Ross rd, the old Monmouth rd and the A40, thou noticeably less so then they used to. Its just calmed the traffic a little, no big deal at all really. The real t*at has been waiting years for the blackrock to be duelled only for the WAG to put average speed cameras up over the whole new stretch and slap a 50 limit on it! Absolute madness, the old three laner was quicker than it is now years later and after spunking away a few hundred million quid.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
Would certainly sew up the next WG election for Labour.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Why don't you just vote for someone else next assembly elections? You don't remove governments by petition ffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
He always does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pilkers
You have heard he’s going haven’t you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
whats your fecking rush . 20 is perfectly acceptable in a built up area .It's 30kph in sweden ( lower than 20mph ) and nobody is moaning and crying.
Maybe there is a rush? Maybe they are delivery drivers or late for the train? Maybe they are in a taxi or busy to get to an appointment that they can now do less of each day as a result?Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK
Maybe they think 20 mph is sensible on a cul de sac or narrow street in a Cathays or Splott but absolutely absurd on wide, often quiet streets in the northern suburbs?
All kinds of reasons to think this is a badly thought and badly implemented policy.
In practice most people seem to be ignoring it and the Welsh Govt have just built a groundswell of general opposition.
How many Swedish people do you know ? My in laws are Swedish and they hate it and totally ignore it, as do most of their friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK
I regularly drive around Abergavenny and Monmouth. It is a big deal, as nobody I know likes it. People who do follow it, invariably drive at 15-17mph, not 20mph. Traffic movement around both towns is much slower.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pilkers
I'm not anti-Tory by any means (I voted Tory last time) but I cannot stand Andrew RTQuote:
Originally Posted by dandywarhol
People v Government v Democracy v Freedom To Chose v Personal Responsibility , something Labour struggles with Brexit taught us that
As was Welsh lockdown ,wonder if they are dealing with the 50 % uplift in truancy from Schools since Covid ie putting more cash into inspectors instead of soft political decision , 20 years of useless power .Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Care workers are having their visting time slots badly messed about , never mind its only the elderly
The Welsh population voted for the 20mph limit, it was in both the PC and Labour manifestos.
what does this even mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Redfield & Winton poll, 46% support, 34% oppose: https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1704480530308505610?t=0HuYu88VLYMcneXHMYkEhQ&s=19
Drove over the Rhygos mountain to Tesco's Aberdare this morning and saw two stretches of road with new 20 mph speed limit signs. The fact that signs are being out up (in certain areas at least) suggests that we aren't just talking about a "default" 20 mph figure (whatever that means) here, once you reach a stage where new signs are being put up to coincide with the law change, you're talking compulsion.
I went abroad last Friday morning and returned Tuesday. Prior to last Weds i dont think I saw a sign change.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
They seem to have changed everywhere in the parts of Aberdare Ive driven in since returning.
Being in a rush as a driver going to work or delivering is no excuse for speeding whether it be 30 , 40 50 or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Probably a lot of these tailgating w#####s are in a rush.
If your late James just stick to limits whatever they are before you have an accident.
Could this sort of scheme be coming to Cardiff next?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/...90a4e7682&ei=9
I for one intend on leaving it a bit later before rushing to the next city game and doing 120mph down the concrete roadQuote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Because that will be ok
no?Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpersforGoalposts
I was explaining one of several reasons why people would be pissed off with the change. Not saying it's an excuse to speedQuote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
I take it you have never broken the speed limit then have you bra ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Have you ever met the man ?Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
I did once - doing some work for a company assigned to Welsh Gov and I have to say - he was great, very funny, wanted to know what we did - how he could help. The company was in the food / drinks market and he had a quick half with us at the end of the session.
I'd happily have a couple of pints with him socially, something you couldn't do with Mark Drakeford (he doesnt drink) and apparently doesnt drive either - ironic given his 20mph law
Dear Mike Morris, any chance we can put some basket weaving videos up, or leg exercises while you're sat down, for the angry old bastards in this thread?
:hehe: :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Morris
I shouldn't have really. We'll have the world basket weaving 'Expert' up shortly...... :hehe: :facepalm:Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Morris
Two hours, two bloody hours!!!! Before last Sunday I could do one in an hour!!!! Drakeford out!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Morris