FT: SHEFFIELD UNITED 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Ours have been that shit for 4 seasons, though and there's no proof of them ever not being shit

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Today’s starting line-up contained three players who signed in the summer and three more who signed in January. Anyway, I’m out as the notion that ‘they’re all shit’ or ‘they’re all League One players’ is just daft and not worth arguing with.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Yup, they can't back it up. Most of this team are on the slide. I'm sure that there are people at professional football clubs who will see the potential in our players, it'll be interesting to see how many are poached during the summer to play at a higher level, even if that's a mid ranking championship club.

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Chambers hasn't played regularly for 6 seasons. Willock was poor under a good QPR manager last year. Daland has come from Belgium, Fish finished 8th in the SPL last year. Turnbull was surplus to requirements at Celtic (and looks every inch of the player their fans described). Horvath can't kick, Kanga couldn't be arsed, AEG's year off has finished him off (and he can't be bothered either), and then you've got the others like Meite, COD, Rino etc who at their peak were mid table Champ players, approaching the wrong side of 30.

It's been signed by a recruitment team led by agents and we've been taken for a ride. There's no way we should have spent anywhere near 15m on them, or have the 7th highest wage bill in the division and yet...

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Today’s starting line-up contained three players who signed in the summer and three more who signed in January. Anyway, I’m out as the notion that ‘they’re all shit’ or ‘they’re all League One players’ is just daft and not worth arguing with.

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There's no pace. Our centre halves can't defend, we've got a centre mid and a left winger at full back. There are some decent players but the balance is all wrong.

Our recruitment has been a joke, it fundamentally needs addressing as in the summer we barely addressed any needs.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Chambers hasn't played regularly for 6 seasons. Willock was poor under a good QPR manager last year. Daland has come from Belgium, Fish finished 8th in the SPL last year. Turnbull was surplus to requirements at Celtic (and looks every inch of the player their fans described). Horvath can't kick, Kanga couldn't be arsed, AEG's year off has finished him off (and he can't be bothered either), and then you've got the others like Meite, COD, Rino etc who at their peak were mid table Champ players, approaching the wrong side of 30.

It's been signed by a recruitment team led by agents and we've been taken for a ride. There's no way we should have spent anywhere near 15m on them, or have the 7th highest wage bill in the division and yet...

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Yup, too many of them on the slide.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Chambers hasn't played regularly for 6 seasons. Willock was poor under a good QPR manager last year. Daland has come from Belgium, Fish finished 8th in the SPL last year. Turnbull was surplus to requirements at Celtic (and looks every inch of the player their fans described). Horvath can't kick, Kanga couldn't be arsed, AEG's year off has finished him off (and he can't be bothered either), and then you've got the others like Meite, COD, Rino etc who at their peak were mid table Champ players, approaching the wrong side of 30.

It's been signed by a recruitment team led by agents and we've been taken for a ride. There's no way we should have spent anywhere near 15m on them, or have the 7th highest wage bill in the division and yet...

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Blimey I was just thinking we might still stay up until I read this.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

Blimey I was just thinking we might still stay up until I read this.

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I think that we will stay up. Don't ask me why or how though.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Today’s starting line-up contained three players who signed in the summer and three more who signed in January. Anyway, I’m out as the notion that ‘they’re all shit’ or ‘they’re all League One players’ is just daft and not worth arguing with.

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They're not all shit or league 1 players, that i daft, they're just not very good individually, and even worse collectively.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eQdoHsmoR4

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

They're not all shit or league 1 players, that i daft, they're just not very good individually, and even worse collectively.

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Most of them are League One, or worse, in terms of mental toughness based on what we’ve seen since August.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

What I would say is cast your mind back to 2016/17, when the team had completely lost its way under Trollope’s management. That squad included the likes of Peltier, Morrison, Whittingham, Ralls, Pilkington, Gunnarsson, Zohore and Manga, but they were looking hopeless. Disorganised, demoralised and destined for relegation.

Warnock took over, brought in a couple of new faces and everything changed pretty quickly. My point is we can’t just say all these players are not good enough. Some of them undoubtedly are. But a team needs leadership, coaching and proper management. This side has none of those things.

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Whittingham [young] Ralls, Pilkington and Gunnarson in midfield. Manga, Morrison and Peltier in the back 4, and Zohore up front. They may have been 'struggling' but those 8 are absolutely light years better than the garbage we have now.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

The squad lacks leaders. Recruitment has been poor. The team lacks balance. Some of the so-called youngsters are greatly overrated. The management and coaching set-up is National League level at best. The team is disorganised and demoralised. But it’s way too simplistic to say the players simply aren’t good enough, just as it’s nonsense to claim they are all League One players.

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Most of what you said, I agree with.

However, on Monday we will be playing a team that has ex City players playing, who are middling to lower Championship standard/ top end League 1.

If we don’t beat them, there is a good chance that next season all of our players will indeed be League 1 players.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Whittingham [young] Ralls, Pilkington and Gunnarson in midfield. Manga, Morrison and Peltier in the back 4, and Zohore up front. They may have been 'struggling' but those 8 are absolutely light years better than the garbage we have now.

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And they were near the bottom of the table, losing 2-0 to Burton Albion and getting comfortably beaten (to nil) by the usual Championship suspects such as QPR, Derby and Preston.

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Originally Posted by KingOfSiamIAm

If we don’t beat them, there is a good chance that next season all of our players will indeed be League 1 players.

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That’s right. But they are currently Championship players and some have been Premier League players in the past. It’s a funny old game, etc.

Not bad in the middle for good spells, terrible in both boxes again, conceded two sloppy goals from mistakes and a bit of luck on their first, in their box too many touches and failed to get the shots off, the script for so many games this season. Alves, O'Dowda did quite well; the rest struggled.

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Originally Posted by KingOfSiamIAm

Most of what you said, I agree with.

However, on Monday we will be playing a team that has ex City players playing, who are middling to lower Championship standard/ top end League 1.

If we don’t beat them, there is a good chance that next season all of our players will indeed be League 1 players.

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We have got a few more chances, Oxford has a far inferior team, but can we beat them with Omer, I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

We have got a few more chances, Oxford has a far inferior team, but can we beat them with Omer, I doubt it.

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Well they are six points superior at the moment and I didn't see anything from yesterday's game to suspect we will reduce that come 5pm Monday

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Originally Posted by Nobody's Rep

Well they are six points superior at the moment and I didn't see anything from yesterday's game to suspect we will reduce that come 5pm Monday

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Last night's result wasn't great for City. Oxford's goal difference is the only one out of the sides above the dotted line that we could theoretically better (especially as we play them), so a 1-0 defeat to the best team in the division wasn't ideal. Oxford conceded five goals in their two games against Leeds. We conceded nine. That may yet prove significant.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

We have got a few more chances, Oxford has a far inferior team, but can we beat them with Omer, I doubt it.

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Unsure what logic you are using.

Oxford has a 'team' with a relatively decent manager.

One or two of that team could be playing in the PL next season ... probably for one of the promoted teams.

The only thing you could say is that Oxford have a far inferior ground.

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Originally Posted by KingOfSiamIAm

Most of what you said, I agree with.

However, on Monday we will be playing a team that has ex City players playing, who are middling to lower Championship standard/ top end League 1.

If we don’t beat them, there is a good chance that next season all of our players will indeed be League 1 players.

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The players you refer to are arguably playing better now than they were in a Cardiff shirt ... particularly with respect to Ciaron Brown and Mark Harris. Some others in Oxford's team are far better, performance wise, than what we have ... for instance Placheta & Helik.

With up to 4 ex-bluebirds returning to prove a point on Monday, I suspect that it will be a tough game against the far inferior opposition that North Cardiff Blue refers to.

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Originally Posted by Forest Green Bluebird

The players you refer to are arguably playing better now than they were in a Cardiff shirt ... particularly with respect to Ciaron Brown and Mark Harris.

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I agree as regards Brown, but he's out injured.

As for Harris, he's scored just two goals in his last 39 Championship appearances (one of which was against us). So he's no different to how he was when he was here.

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Originally Posted by Forest Green Bluebird

Unsure what logic you are using.

Oxford has a 'team' with a relatively decent manager.

One or two of that team could be playing in the PL next season ... probably for one of the promoted teams.

The only thing you could say is that Oxford have a far inferior ground.

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All about opinions, but I think their playing squad is inferior on paper, on grass, and with a much more experienced Manager, they are currently superior.

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Originally Posted by Forest Green Bluebird

The players you refer to are arguably playing better now than they were in a Cardiff shirt ... particularly with respect to Ciaron Brown and Mark Harris. Some others in Oxford's team are far better, performance wise, than what we have ... for instance Placheta & Helik.

With up to 4 ex-bluebirds returning to prove a point on Monday, I suspect that it will be a tough game against the far inferior opposition that North Cardiff Blue refers to.

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They will give us a tough game, they will play as a team and make things difficult, but if we can't beat them with home advantage, we deserve to go down.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I agree as regards Brown, but he's out injured.

As for Harris, he's scored just two goals in his last 39 Championship appearances (one of which was against us). So he's no different to how he was when he was here.

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Harris will score again on Monday. Set up by Placheta as he will find space down our flanks. And a Vaulks long throw will assist a second goal for Oxford.

I've already prepared myself for it, so I'm not disappointed when it happens

looking in to read the thread and result as im on my solo boycott of not watching a game until the plank is gone...

pretty grimm i see, some of the fans actually looking forward to winning games again in L1...

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Originally Posted by bluemoon

looking in to read the thread and result as im on my solo boycott of not watching a game until the plank is gone...

pretty grimm i see, some of the fans actually looking forward to winning games again in L1...

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Which plank? Tan, Riza or the whole shit show?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I agree as regards Brown, but he's out injured.

As for Harris, he's scored just two goals in his last 39 Championship appearances (one of which was against us). So he's no different to how he was when he was here.

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and yet last season he scored 15 in the league and 19 in all competitions.
if we can expect a similar uplift in performance by dropping down a league across the board then we would do very well

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Originally Posted by Rjk

and yet last season he scored 15 in the league and 19 in all competitions.

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Indeed, and yet some people seem to believe all of the current squad would be doomed in League One.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Indeed, and yet some people seem to believe all of the current squad would be doomed in League One.

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It's hard to say anyone is looking forward to league 1 BUT when you think Mark Harris scored 19 goals last season it's entirely possible to believe a front line of salech colwill davies Ashford maybe robinson or Alves could have some fun in league 1.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

It's hard to say anyone is looking forward to league 1 BUT when you think Mark Harris scored 19 goals last season it's entirely possible to believe a front line of salech colwill davies Ashford maybe robinson or Alves could have some fun in league 1.

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Alves will be nowhere near this club next season regardless of what division we're in.