Do not make me miss the ****ing Tories, Starmer. I absolutely beg of you, do not reach that low.
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Do not make me miss the ****ing Tories, Starmer. I absolutely beg of you, do not reach that low.
Will the Spurs players be joining the disabled OAP protesters in the clink or are they innocent bystanders?
His sidekick , ash , was a complete grumble and gruntQuote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
I suppose thats a great banner but not directly supporting Palestine Action ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
This is the problem i have with the people getting themselves arrested. You can still push the message without pushing the group, its not illegal to say you think the israeli government is deliberately killing babies, it is illegal to support a proscribed group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
I dont know why people are so desperate to be cannon fodder for this group, its almost like PA are the victim and cause for some now.
Isn't it happening because the protesters don't think the group in question should be proscribed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
I'll admit to not having read the entire thread.
It seems to me that the thread became locked into a conflation of two issues: proscription and debate around freedom of speech/thought, and, abhorrence at the events in Palestine.
I'm afraid Jimbo (of this parish) led himself and the thread astray with a spurious (and sometimes entirely circular) argument that the legality or otherwise of something defined it's moral probity. In short, it doesn't. That's a cart-before-horse way of thinking.
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
I mean, I do think that's a misinterpretation of my point, as I certainly do understand that the law enforcement morality do not always perfectly align for all people. I certainly do agree on the circular nature of the debate though, so not keen to interact anymore on it!Quote:
Originally Posted by az city
Yep so essentially they have decided to get themselves arrested, rather than use their time to actually support the underlying cause and oppose what israel is doing. Baffling to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Maybe they see challenging the government's suppression of solidarity activity and continuing collusion with Israel as the best way of opposing what Israel is doing and seeing meaningful action instead of reluctant posturing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
It doesn't baffle me.
Why havent you gone and got yourself arrested then Jon? You agree with both their stance around palestine and about the group..Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Asking that genuinely btw, not trying for some kind of gotcha here. My guess is you are a bit smarter/measured than they are but they might see you as less committed/principled for not throwing yourself to the slaughter.
I am certainly less committed/principled than the people who got arrested for their placards. Not a bit smarter/measured.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
I will continue to take part in local and national Palestine demonstrations, but I also want to be able to use my passport for the next 9 months without trouble.
For clarity - and this is important as there is a 14 year gaol sentence at stake - I support their stance on Israeli genocide and I think the proscription of Palestine Action is wrong (that is an understatement) but I am not a supporter of the group.
JVL Introduction to article:
Craig Murray, who was formerly a British diplomat, has checked out the reports on Palestine Action from the Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre and finds no evidence there to back up the Home Secretary’s allegations about Palestine Action. He reminds us that the UN (and, we can note others such as Amnesty International) has made clear that Palestine Action does not meet international agreed criteria for designation as a terrorist group.
We can only speculate on the government’s reasons for trying to crush Palestine Action and any support for it, rather than dealing with that organisation’s attacks on property under existing laws, most obviously breaking and entering and criminal damage.
Could it be that they are worried about the strength of the movement in opposition to Israel’s actions and the UK government’s complicity? If so, they would seem to have scored a spectacular own goal given the large number of people who risked arrest and even imprisonment to oppose designating Palestine Action as a terrorist group. The organisers of the 9th August protest have called another for 1pm September 6th and are looking for 1,000 people to participate. You can find out more at Lift The Ban – Defend Our Juries .
https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org...cles-for-you_1
The stupidity continues!
It was only after Miles Pickering arrived at Scotland Yard following his arrest that the police realised they had got things embarrassingly wrong.
The T-shirt worn by the Brighton engineer did not express support for a proscribed terrorist group, instead the words on it read “Plasticine Action” and inside the letter “o” was an image of the stop-motion character Morph giving two thumbs up.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...e-gaza-protest
:hehe:
What a hero! Where can I get my t shirt?Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
:hehe:
The award-winning Scottish screenwriter Paul Laverty has been arrested in Edinburgh for wearing a T-shirt that allegedly referenced the proscribed protest group Palestine Action.
Laverty was attending a protest outside St Leonard’s police station in the city centre to support Moira McFarlane, a member of Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign, who was due to be charged under section 13 of the Terrorist Act for wearing a T-shirt with the words: “Genocide in Palestine, time to take Action”.
Police Scotland confirmed that a 68-year-old man had been arrested under the Terrorism Act for “showing support for a proscribed organisation” and inquires were ongoing.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...tion-edinburgh
https://www.thecanary.co/trending/20...dmarsdn8syijsb
Authoritarian madness as farce!
https://www.thecanary.co/trending/20...dmarsdn8syijsb
The government's 'independent reviewer' of terrorism legislation - who advised on the proscription of Palestine Action - turns out to be anything but independent!
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...media-campaign
Lawyers for a co-founder of Palestine Action have accused the home secretary of running a “cynical media campaign” which breaches her duty to the court in proceedings challenging the group’s proscription.
In a letter sent to the government’s legal department on behalf of Huda Ammori, who has been granted permission for a judicial review of the decision to ban the group under the Terrorism Act, her lawyers say Yvette Cooper’s public statements are not backed by her disclosures at the high court.
If only Palestine Action had used a bit of white paint with the red, Yvette Cooper would have been posing for selfies with them!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgejwx3grlo
The Home Office has been given permission to challenge a High Court ruling which allowed Palestine Action to appeal against its ban under terror legislation.
The government have successfully appealed for permission to appeal against the appeal granted to Palestine Action..... ? :sherlock:
Many Jewish people in Britain have long been opposing Israel’s genocide in Gaza on a regular basis.
They include Carolyn Gelenter – the daughter of a Holocaust survivor. Having witnessed first-hand the increasing police hostility under Keir Starmer’s government against people showing solidarity with Palestine, she firmly opposes the escalating crackdown of recent weeks.
And she now plans to risk arrest as part of the protest in London’s Parliament Square on 6 September calling for the government to lift the ban on non-violent direct-action group Palestine Action.
https://www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis...dmarsdn8syijsb
As the daughter of a Polish Jewish Holocaust Survivor I am proud to work with a core group of older Jewish women of conscience called ‘Jewish Peaceniks UK’ to organise support for Gaza. I am also honoured to stand under the banner ‘Holocaust Survivors and Descendants against the Gaza Genocide’ on the demonstrations for Palestine. We have been asked to stand witness on the 6th of September to the mass arrest of over 1,000 people, willing to get arrested in support of a group of mostly young people, who passionately wished to stop our government’s complicity in the genocide and starvation of the Palestinians in Gaza and the violence throughout the West Bank.
The arrests of those who are holding up placards against genocide and in support of the proscribed group, are against the rights of democracy and free speech and are made more shocking by the fact that it is happening under the jurisdiction of a Labour government.
I have decided to do more than stand under the banner and witness. I have chosen to get arrested. Whether others are doing this action or witnessing the arrests in solidarity or marching, it is more urgent than ever that Jewish people speak out about the falsity of the government claim of supporting Israel’s right to defend itself and that criticism of the state is antisemitic.
Zionism is a political ideology supporting a nation state and has nothing to do with being a Jew. To claim otherwise is in itself a form of antisemitism, objectifying Jewish people as one entity with one belief. What people are doing here today is the true honouring of the memory of those victims of the Holocaust: Jewish, Roma, communists, socialists and trade unionists, the differently abled.
Israel is far from representing the entire world’s Jewry. It does not act for me. I stand today with humanity for all.
Keep going Jon, I'm following along with all of your updates :thumbup:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62qrmpd7l5o
Isn’t it great to have a Labour Government again.
The police were just standing around most of the day - hundreds of them - and eventually arrested under 150 out of 1500 protestors holding bits of card saying ‘I oppose genocide. I support Palestine Action’. Farcical - and a monumental waste of money and resources.
It was the most peaceful protest I have ever seen. Most of them pensioners.
The Quakers turned up in their hundreds to be arrested - but most weren’t. For a change I didn’t see vans from other forces - just the Met. Heddlu stayed home!
Plenty of Plasticine Action tee shirts too - as well as ‘I don’t support Palestine inaction’.
I'll have to get around to buying a Plasticine Action shirt soon. But it's absolutely disgusting that this is what the world has come to, where what's effectively graffiti on planes is treated as terrorism but genocide isn't.
This is the worst state the world has been in since WW2.
I'm ashamed to be BritishQuote:
Originally Posted by Coyote
Now being reported that there were 425 arrests yesterday - what a waste of police time and resources.
They must have made another 300 arrests after their earlier 5.00 pm statement - so late afternoon into early evening. Eventually arresting and taking away about one third of the protestors.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
The police claim there was violence directed at them - I saw nothing. The organisers claim the police used violence in some of the arrests - and posted video footage to back that up. The overall impression was of almost total calm on both sides - as the farce played out.
The main Palestine/Gaza demonstration had about 200,000 on it - and that was also peaceful, even at the point where the pro Israel group were set up (with Israeli, English, British and Indian flags). Their numbers were well down - normally 80-100 but yesterday under 40 of them with their 'there is no famine' placards and ethnic cleansing pop music at top volume!
The later police statement is incredible:
At just after 9pm, the Metropolitan police said it had made more than 425 arrests. The Met’s deputy assistant commissioner, Claire Smart, who led the operation, said: “In carrying out their duties today, our officers have been punched, kicked, spat on and had objects thrown at them by protesters. It is intolerable that those whose job it is to enforce the law and keep people safe – in this case arresting individuals committing offences under the Terrorism Act – should be subject to this level of abuse.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...on-ban-protest
So carting away hundreds of pensioners, Quakers, ex magistrates, veterans, blind and disabled people and filling up police cells across London was 'to keep people safe - in this case arresting individuals committing offences under the Terrorism Act'. What heroes!
https://www.thecanary.co/uk/news/202...dmarsdn8syijsb
Another hundred terrorist grannies to be arrested at Labour’s conference?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...say-organisers
A mass protest against the ban on Palestine Action on Saturday could set a record for the number of people arrested at a single event of civil disobedience, organisers have said.
Defend Our Juries said it had received 1,500 pledges to attend the demonstration in London and risk arrest and was expecting hundreds more to register by the weekend.
The group said the record number of arrests at a single event was 1,314, made by the Metropolitan police during the Committee of 100’s 1961 anti-nuclear demonstration in Trafalgar Square. The central London square was also the centre of the 1990 poll tax uprisings when 339 people were arrested in one day.
More than 1,600 people have been arrested since the ban under the Terrorism Act came into effect on 5 July, mainly for holding signs reading: “I oppose genocide, I support Palestine Action.” The highest arrest tally so far was on 6 September at a demonstration in Parliament Square when 890 people were detained, 857 for showing support for a proscribed group.
A Defend Our Juries spokesperson said: “With over 1,500 people already pledging to take part, and hundreds more expected to register by the weekend, this is set to be the biggest mass action yet defying the ban on Palestine Action.
“While Keir Starmer ignores the demands of his own party members to recognise Israel’s genocide and take action – including sanctions and a full arms embargo – thousands are stepping up where his government refuses to act.
“This Saturday could soon see the number of arrests nearly double from the current total of 1,600, setting a new record for the largest mass arrest – an extraordinary misuse of counter-terror and policing resources.”
On Sunday, Merseyside police arrested 66 people, including an 83-year-old, on suspicion of supporting Palestine Action at a rally outside the Labour party conference in Liverpool. Two were later dearrested.
I think this is the way forward, mass protests and force the Government to submit.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Of all the things to protest about. Jeez.
Maybe you're missing the point?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Oh of course there's many many more but this is a very important point of principle: it's a great place to startQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales