Do not make me miss the ****ing Tories, Starmer. I absolutely beg of you, do not reach that low.
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Do not make me miss the ****ing Tories, Starmer. I absolutely beg of you, do not reach that low.
Will the Spurs players be joining the disabled OAP protesters in the clink or are they innocent bystanders?
His sidekick , ash , was a complete grumble and gruntQuote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
I suppose thats a great banner but not directly supporting Palestine Action ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
This is the problem i have with the people getting themselves arrested. You can still push the message without pushing the group, its not illegal to say you think the israeli government is deliberately killing babies, it is illegal to support a proscribed group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
I dont know why people are so desperate to be cannon fodder for this group, its almost like PA are the victim and cause for some now.
Isn't it happening because the protesters don't think the group in question should be proscribed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
I'll admit to not having read the entire thread.
It seems to me that the thread became locked into a conflation of two issues: proscription and debate around freedom of speech/thought, and, abhorrence at the events in Palestine.
I'm afraid Jimbo (of this parish) led himself and the thread astray with a spurious (and sometimes entirely circular) argument that the legality or otherwise of something defined it's moral probity. In short, it doesn't. That's a cart-before-horse way of thinking.
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
I mean, I do think that's a misinterpretation of my point, as I certainly do understand that the law enforcement morality do not always perfectly align for all people. I certainly do agree on the circular nature of the debate though, so not keen to interact anymore on it!Quote:
Originally Posted by az city
Yep so essentially they have decided to get themselves arrested, rather than use their time to actually support the underlying cause and oppose what israel is doing. Baffling to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Maybe they see challenging the government's suppression of solidarity activity and continuing collusion with Israel as the best way of opposing what Israel is doing and seeing meaningful action instead of reluctant posturing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
It doesn't baffle me.
Why havent you gone and got yourself arrested then Jon? You agree with both their stance around palestine and about the group..Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Asking that genuinely btw, not trying for some kind of gotcha here. My guess is you are a bit smarter/measured than they are but they might see you as less committed/principled for not throwing yourself to the slaughter.
I am certainly less committed/principled than the people who got arrested for their placards. Not a bit smarter/measured.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
I will continue to take part in local and national Palestine demonstrations, but I also want to be able to use my passport for the next 9 months without trouble.
For clarity - and this is important as there is a 14 year gaol sentence at stake - I support their stance on Israeli genocide and I think the proscription of Palestine Action is wrong (that is an understatement) but I am not a supporter of the group.
JVL Introduction to article:
Craig Murray, who was formerly a British diplomat, has checked out the reports on Palestine Action from the Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre and finds no evidence there to back up the Home Secretary’s allegations about Palestine Action. He reminds us that the UN (and, we can note others such as Amnesty International) has made clear that Palestine Action does not meet international agreed criteria for designation as a terrorist group.
We can only speculate on the government’s reasons for trying to crush Palestine Action and any support for it, rather than dealing with that organisation’s attacks on property under existing laws, most obviously breaking and entering and criminal damage.
Could it be that they are worried about the strength of the movement in opposition to Israel’s actions and the UK government’s complicity? If so, they would seem to have scored a spectacular own goal given the large number of people who risked arrest and even imprisonment to oppose designating Palestine Action as a terrorist group. The organisers of the 9th August protest have called another for 1pm September 6th and are looking for 1,000 people to participate. You can find out more at Lift The Ban – Defend Our Juries .
https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org...cles-for-you_1
The stupidity continues!
It was only after Miles Pickering arrived at Scotland Yard following his arrest that the police realised they had got things embarrassingly wrong.
The T-shirt worn by the Brighton engineer did not express support for a proscribed terrorist group, instead the words on it read “Plasticine Action” and inside the letter “o” was an image of the stop-motion character Morph giving two thumbs up.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...e-gaza-protest
:hehe:
What a hero! Where can I get my t shirt?Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
:hehe:
The award-winning Scottish screenwriter Paul Laverty has been arrested in Edinburgh for wearing a T-shirt that allegedly referenced the proscribed protest group Palestine Action.
Laverty was attending a protest outside St Leonard’s police station in the city centre to support Moira McFarlane, a member of Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign, who was due to be charged under section 13 of the Terrorist Act for wearing a T-shirt with the words: “Genocide in Palestine, time to take Action”.
Police Scotland confirmed that a 68-year-old man had been arrested under the Terrorism Act for “showing support for a proscribed organisation” and inquires were ongoing.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...tion-edinburgh
https://www.thecanary.co/trending/20...dmarsdn8syijsb
Authoritarian madness as farce!
https://www.thecanary.co/trending/20...dmarsdn8syijsb
The government's 'independent reviewer' of terrorism legislation - who advised on the proscription of Palestine Action - turns out to be anything but independent!
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...media-campaign
Lawyers for a co-founder of Palestine Action have accused the home secretary of running a “cynical media campaign” which breaches her duty to the court in proceedings challenging the group’s proscription.
In a letter sent to the government’s legal department on behalf of Huda Ammori, who has been granted permission for a judicial review of the decision to ban the group under the Terrorism Act, her lawyers say Yvette Cooper’s public statements are not backed by her disclosures at the high court.