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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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jon1959
Strange then that the USSR and Czechoslovakia were the nations that initially armed the Israelis for a decade and a half after 1948.
The USA only became the main military, financial and diplomatic backer of Israel in the early 1960s.
I suppose everyone was reading different books from you back then? They didn't get the 'end game scenario' memo.
I referenced the end-game scenario, what does the 1940's and 1960's specifically have to do with the final page of human history?
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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truthpaste
I bet Wash DC Blue didn't envisage the Book of Revelations 'End of Days' being an answer?
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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truthpaste
I referenced the end-game scenario, what does the 1940's and 1960's specifically have to do with the final page of human history?
It’s a puzzle, isn’t it.
Remind me, when is ‘the final page of human history’ due?
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Jordi Culé
I bet Wash DC Blue didn't envisage the Book of Revelations 'End of Days' being an answer?
Ezekiel 38 in the OT would be the key chapter in this case, while Revelation chapters 6 to 19 provide the details of the events that will follow this all out attack on Israel.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
truthpaste
Ezekiel 38 in the OT would be the key chapter in this case, while Revelation chapters 6 to 19 provide the details of the events that will follow this all out attack on Israel.
I'm not sure Ezekiel ever said "Rejoice in the bloodlust; take every ounce of joy from the glorious action of decapitating and blowing apart those women and children that are so far from the gaze of God that they are irrelevant. Total belief in the power of God to maim and kill the unbelievers is our salvation to everlasting life"
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Dorcus
I'm not sure Ezekiel ever said "Rejoice in the bloodlust; take every ounce of joy from the glorious action of decapitating and blowing apart those women and children that are so far from the gaze of God that they are irrelevant. Total belief in the power of God to maim and kill the unbelievers is our salvation to everlasting life"
That quote or sentiment isn't found in any Biblical prophecy, however for sound reasons God has ordered the destruction of certain groups of people in other points in history. Furthermore, no individuals are irrelevant to God, chiefly because He Himself suffered and died for each one of them in Christ, so that they needn't suffer the consequences of their natural rebellion; which are no different to those of mine or yours.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
I'm not sure Ezekiel ever said "Rejoice in the bloodlust; take every ounce of joy from the glorious action of decapitating and blowing apart those women and children that are so far from the gaze of God that they are irrelevant. Total belief in the power of God to maim and kill the unbelievers is our salvation to everlasting life"
If not Ezekiel was that quote fron Netanyahu or one of the mentalists he has in his Israeli government?
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
If not Ezekiel was that quote fron Netanyahu or one of the mentalists he has in his Israeli government?
You're right, those be dem guys!
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
truthpaste
That quote or sentiment isn't found in any Biblical prophecy, however for sound reasons God has ordered the destruction of certain groups of people in other points in history. Furthermore, no individuals are irrelevant to God, chiefly because He Himself suffered and died for each one of them in Christ, so that they needn't suffer the consequences of their natural rebellion; which are no different to those of mine or yours.
If God Is Love why should He order the destruction of certain groups of people? I think you are confusing God with tyrants usurping His name here.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Dorcus
If God Is Love why should He order the destruction of certain groups of people? I think you are confusing God with tyrants usurping His name here.
No confusion. "God is love" - however God is not just love, He is Just too. He doesn't judge people as humans do, on appearances or limited evidence, He judges the hearts of people, so is able to judge and act unlike anyone else.
If God were a tyrant then why would pay the cost of our Salvation on the Cross and in doing so offer everyone (including those who spend time here opposing Him) a secure and undeserved eternity?
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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truthpaste
No confusion. "God is love" - however God is not just love, He is Just too. He doesn't judge people as humans do, on appearances or limited evidence, He judges the hearts of people, so is able to judge and act unlike anyone else.
If God were a tyrant then why would pay the cost of our Salvation on the Cross and in doing so offer everyone (including those who spend time here opposing Him) a secure and undeserved eternity?
If God were just he wouldn't order the destruction of certain groups of people. I believe if there is a God he/she/it must be just. I think you are confusing God's will with selfish human cravings for power and status. The only orders for the destruction of certain groups of people have come from humans who have cynically used God's name to support their cause.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Dorcus
If God were just he wouldn't order the destruction of certain groups of people. I believe if there is a God he/she/it must be just. I think you are confusing God's will with selfish human cravings for power and status. The only orders for the destruction of certain groups of people have come from humans who have cynically used God's name to support their cause.
That's your perspective and you are entitled to your opinion.
Out of interest, if your world view has no god, why do you seek justice at all?
Wouldn't we all be molecules in motion until we all become compost?
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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truthpaste
That's your perspective and you are entitled to your opinion.
Out of interest, if your world view has no god, why do you seek justice at all?
Wouldn't we all be molecules in motion until we all become compost?
Not at all and I didn't say my world view has no God. I cannot prove nor disprove it.
However, justice is an intrinsic factor in human sensibility and whether or not individuals remain as compost is irrelevant. The relevance is only to the here and now.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Dorcus
Not at all and I didn't say my world view has no God. I cannot prove nor disprove it.
However, justice is an intrinsic factor in human sensibility and whether or not individuals remain as compost is irrelevant. The relevance is only to the here and now.
But in the here and now you have not explained why humans have a sense of justice if we are NOT made to ideally reflect and practice the values and standards of our Creator?
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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truthpaste
But in the here and now you have not explained why humans have a sense of justice if we are NOT made to ideally reflect and practice the values and standards of our Creator?
Isn't it obvious to you?
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Dorcus
Isn't it obvious to you?
Your view, no. Currently it is totally illogical?
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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truthpaste
But in the here and now you have not explained why humans have a sense of justice if we are NOT made to ideally reflect and practice the values and standards of our Creator?
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Dorcus
Isn't it obvious to you?
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truthpaste
Your view, no. Currently it is totally illogical?
Illogical?
Brilliant! :hehe:
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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jon1959
Illogical?
Brilliant! :hehe:
Confucius say "When you are backed into a wall, shout for help"
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
https://x.com/steviemcglinchy/status...UanvGGt-w&s=19
clip from sky news of an Israeli extremist - staggering stuff
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Rjk
There are a lot of extremists with those views - a growing % in Israel, in the USA (though more obviously from Christian Zionists than from the Jewish community that is slowly breaking from slavish support for Israel and its state ideology) and some in Europe too.
'It is our land' (from the supposed Old Testament real estate deal between their god and his 'chosen people') is the position of the UK Chief Rabbi, and it is the view of one particular poster active in this thread.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Dorcus
Confucius say "When you are backed into a wall, shout for help"
No help required, as you inhabit a universe with an economy (reality) which exists purely by accident and assumes the model is the survival of the fittest. Then within that framework you want to have morality, without any understanding (within your chosen ceiling which is science) as to why you want it as part of your reality?
You have as much hope of exlaining that part of life (from your own world view) as you do the 7 day week.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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truthpaste
No help required, as you inhabit a universe with an economy (reality) which exists purely by accident and assumes the model is the survival of the fittest. Then within that framework you want to have morality, without any understanding (within your chosen ceiling which is science) as to why you want it as part of your reality?
You have as much hope of exlaining that part of life (from your own world view) as you do the 7 day week.
Honestly you just post gibberish! Why not try writing in English rather than 1st Century Aramaic?
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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jon1959
There are a lot of extremists with those views - a growing % in Israel, in the USA (though more obviously from Christian Zionists than from the Jewish community that is slowly breaking from slavish support for Israel and its state ideology) and some in Europe too.
'It is our land' (from the supposed Old Testament real estate deal between their god and his 'chosen people') is the position of the UK Chief Rabbi, and it is the view of one particular poster active in this thread.
"It is our land" is it bollocks!!! There are some seriously evil excuses for human sapiens abroad.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Dorcus
Honestly you just post gibberish! Why not try writing in English rather than 1st Century Aramaic?
No problem, if you think evolution is the reason we are here, then why as advanced animals should we even care about anything including right & wrong except survival of the fittest?
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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truthpaste
No problem, if you think evolution is the reason we are here, then why as advanced animals should we even care about anything including right & wrong except survival of the fittest?
Are you suggesting that non-Christians do not have morals and/or are incapable of coming up with any? As the majority of the population of the world are not of your ilk (and never has been) that sounds rather ridiculous.
