I'm not in England and England seems to have different rules although it seems like they don't know what their own rules are over there, judging by that Cummings guy, lol.
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I'm not in England and England seems to have different rules although it seems like they don't know what their own rules are over there, judging by that Cummings guy, lol.
Dramatic findings in this poll. It can't be good news, but the politicians, especially the UK Government, have brought it on themselves;-
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-falls-sharply
Does it matter though? As long as we have faith in those who know their stuff, ie the scientists, public health etc I’m ok with that like most people it would appear. Who the f bomb trust a politician anyway? I dont care what colour tie they wear.....Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Just some positive news from down under: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...mpression=true
It’s irrelevant really as they will have to open borders soon so in the same boat trying to control it as the rest of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
Why all this fuss about new arrivals to the UK having to go into 14 days quarantine? Why would anyone want/need to come to the UK at the moment unless they are UK citizens returning home? If they are eastern Europeans coming to help harvest fruit & veg I'm sure they would oblige.
Or would they still want to come when you think about it!
There's a rumour about an announcement on airbridges today that will start at the end of June. Lot's of business trips to the UK as well as holidays.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
I would think that it's probably relevant to the people of NZ that less people are catching this disease and dying whilst we continue to learn more about this virus, the most effective ways to live with it and work on a vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Why business trips when we have all these video conferencing gizmos? Anyone coming to the UK for a holiday must be slightly unhinged surely, as (a) we now have the highest per capita COVID death rate in the world* and (b) they will need to be quarantined for the first 2 weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
(*source: https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-h...20-5?r=US&IR=T)
The airbridges deal with (b) they will remove the 14 day quarintine for countries with low covid levels.
I agree people won't be rushing back here that's I assume why flights won't be back up to their normal number for a long time. But things will have to be eased back to normal otherwise the economy is ****ed.
As good as video conferencing is for certain things nothing beats a face to face meeting. Business trips won't be at the same volume they always have been for a while but they won't disappear.
Agree on this but in these extraordinary times...? I used to do lots of business meetings all over Europe when I was working and really a lot of them could have been done by video link, except that that facility was not that readily available back the late 90's early 00's. The craziest ever trip was flying to Copenhagen, then a helicopter flight on to Malmo for a meeting that lasted less than one hour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
I had to attend a meeting in Bremen and had to change planes in Amsterdam. The meeting took place in the guy's living room and I spent the whole time trying to fend off his two dogs trying to sniff my crotch. A video conference would have been preferable!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
Interesting..
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...cience-uk-has/
I’m not sure it’s anything newQuote:
“They came to a different policy conclusion, but based really on quite similar science.
“I don’t agree with it. But scientifically, they’re not that far from scientists in any part of the world.”
Sweden’s rate of virus reproduction – the so-called ‘R’ value – is thought to be at one, meaning that, on average, every case will cause one other infection.
In the UK, it is thought to be between 0.75 and one, meaning the virus outbreak is retreating.
While pointing out that the Sweden’s mortality rate is not declining in a similar way to other European countries, Prof Ferguson said: “Nevertheless, it is interesting that adopting a policy which is short of a full lockdown – they have closed secondary schools and universities and there is a significant amount of social distancing, but it’s not a full lockdown – they have got quite a long way to the same effect. That is something we are looking at very closely.
“Lockdowns are very crude policies, and what we’d like to do is have much more targeted controlled transmission going forward, which doesn’t have the same economic impacts.”
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is devolution good now?
We screwed our economy and Sweden didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Sweden is a lot lower population density than England especially, we *could* have stuck with that approach, but then I suspect we would have seen a huge number of deathsQuote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
HmmmmQuote:
Sweden
Confirmed 38,589
Recovered
4,971
Deaths
4,468
Denmark
Confirmed
11,734
+35
Recovered
10,489
Deaths
580
Finland
Confirmed
6,887
Recovered
5,500
Deaths
320
Norway
Confirmed
8,455
Recovered
7,727
Deaths
237
https://www.ft.com/content/dae6d006-...e-79a7841022e8Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
I bet those 4,500 dead and their families are glad the economy only contracted by 0.2% instead of 2%. What a relief that must be for them!
Schools in Wales to reopen on 29 June.
Some sense, fair play she spoke well. We need a test time to see how the new normal will be come sept. A few days a week will go a long way with reduced class size.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Dont know but the Norwegians are wonderingQuote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...aign=DM1251860
So are Sweden tooQuote:
Originally Posted by goats
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52903717
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ronavirus.html
Would you have sacrificed 4000 for 2% on the economy ?
On a completely different topic, I am seeing so many reports about "Tracers" complaining in the Media abut being paid to do nothing. There is another on the BBC Web Page this morning complaining of being paid to watch Netflix.
The solution for these people is simple. They can just quit. Hand in their notice then sit at home and watch Netflix for nothing. What's their problem?
There are more than enough people out there who would bite their hands off for the job, including all the student who normally supplement their grants by working in pubs, and including my boy who applied 2 weeks ago and hasn't even had acknowledgement of his application yet.
No chance....but I think we are going to have to live with this thing for a few years, people will die and economies will suffer in that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Where do you get these jobs? I wouldn’t mind doing a bit of track n traceQuote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
People who want something to do so that they actually earn their wage from the government are a problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
:hehe: Stop laughing, it's not funny :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
I wonder if in Sweden there has been 4500 more seasonal deaths than usual? I thought they’d suffer a lot more than they have considering no lockdown and it appears to be fading away like it has in all other countries who did implement one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Yes, :hehe:. If they feel it is wrong they can, as I suggested, just resign, quit, walk out, stop doing it, desist, and then they can watch Netflix for nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Then, as I said, the job can be given to people who are happy to be paid to sit and do nothing.
I don't even understand why the media report it except to stir the shite?
To report that the Govt's test and trace system isn't running as well as they have advertised... I'd imagine.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Your vitriol is being aimed at the media and the people whistleblowing about what's happening instead of the Govt. responsible for what's happening... That's funny :hehe:
They are confirmed covid deaths.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Perhaps it is and there are no people for her to call? For me its just silly for anyone to complain for getting paid to do nothing. As I said, its too easy to resign and let someone else have the stress of doing nothing for money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Whether the ssytem is working or not wasn't my point, the point was the woman complaining about getting paid for nothing. What really made me smile was that the article said she had only spoken on condition that she remained anonymous. i wonder why? Perhaps it was for fear of losing the great job she has? :hehe:
Don't you think it wrong that people are paid from our taxes to do nothing????Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle