Club respond to open letter

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Indeed. Never was this more apparent than during the rebrand saga.

Problem is, the 'majority' is getting gradually smaller as the apathy spreads.

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I don’t think so. There appears to be significantly more apathy with T.V companies dictating kick off times than anything else affecting attendances. ( our league position doesn’t help).

Since VT has been in charge our overall attendance figures have been the highest I’ve ever known and are still very good considering we are in the bottom half of the table.

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Since VT has been in charge our overall attendance figures have been the highest I’ve ever known

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Not sure this is accurate.

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Originally Posted by Baloo

Not sure this is accurate.

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I've been going since mid 80s and they definitely are.

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Originally Posted by blue matt

people can still have a difference of opinion and be shown respect, well they can in my world , maybe thats the difference between us

for the record though I said " if you want more of a say on how the club is run, find yourself £60 Mill and make VT a offer " which is right, as a fan, I ( and others, including the club it seems ) dont believe we have any right demanding to know who is going to be manager and what the hiring process is and what the long term plans are, despite all this discussion on here I still dont, as ive pointed out aswell, it doesn't bother me that much either

Oh and I never "compared someone’s support of their football club to their “support” of the super market they use " either, I said we are just customers to the owners, you see yourself as something more, fair enough

in fact I agreed with Don Corleone when he said

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I said I found your opinion absurd a few days back and I still do - not much else I can say really.

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Originally Posted by Baloo

Not sure this is accurate.

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It is

http://european-football-statistics....eague/carc.htm

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Originally Posted by Hilts

I've been going since mid 80s and they definitely are.

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City averaged an impressive 31,408 for home league games in 18/19. I've not checked it, but I'd be surprised if that's not in the club's top 5 average attendances for a season throughout its history. So, to say crowds under Vicent Tan have risen would not be wrong (I know for a fact that the 18/19 average attendance figure is higher than in any season since I saw my first home game in 63/64). However, a few thingsa need to be pointed out I feel.

For example, the crowd for the Millwall game was less than half of what we avaraged in 18/19 and I'd guess there's every chance it will be the same again tomorrow - the QPR crowd was just over 50 per cent of the 18/19 average. Our average league attendance this season is 18,876 which is very slightly below 60 per cent of the 18/19 figure.

In the last season before Vinvent Tan took over the ownership of the clun (09/10), City's average home league attendance was 19,413. Therefore, we now find ourselves in a position where the current team is much worse than the one Vincent Tan inherited and crowds are slightly smaller than they were when he took over, so Baloo is not wrong in saying that it's not as simple as a blanket statement saying crowds are up under vincent Tan even if it is accurate to say that crowds have, at times, been as high under this ownership as they've been since, at least, the 1950s.

[QUOTE=the other bob wilson;5558187]City averaged an impressive 31,408 for home league games in 18/19. I've not checked it, but I'd be surprised if that's not in the club's top 5 average attendances for a season throughout its history. So, to say crowds under Vicent Tan have risen would not be wrong (I know for a fact that the 18/19 average attendance figure is higher than in any season since I saw my first home game in 63/64). However, a few thingsa need to be pointed out I feel.

For example, the crowd for the Millwall game was less than half of what we avaraged in 18/19 and I'd guess there's every chance it will be the same again tomorrow - the QPR crowd was just over 50 per cent of the 18/19 average. Our average league attendance this season is 18,876 which is very slightly below 60 per cent of the 18/19 figure.

In the last season before Vinvent Tan took over the ownership of the clun (09/10), City's average home league attendance was 19,413. Therefore, we now find ourselves in a position where the current team is much worse than the one Vincent Tan inherited and crowds are slightly smaller than they were when he took over, so Baloo is not wrong in saying that it's not as simple as a blanket statement saying crowds are up under vincent Tan even if it is accurate to say that crowds have, at times, been as high under this ownership as they've been since, at least, the 1950s.[/QUOTE

I’ve just posted the historical attendance numbers- it’s as clear as ever

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

I don’t think so.

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The recent attendance for the Millwall game (15,687) was the lowest for a league match at the CCS since March 2017. But in reality, we know that far fewer people are actually turning up than the declared attendance figures. You only have to look around you in the ground to realise that.

The smallest crowd last season was 17,131 for a midweek game against Blackburn. We've had midweek crowds on 16,205 and 15,687 already this season, while the attendance for the Blackburn home game on a Saturday was just 17,188.

Apathy is spreading. Crowds are getting smaller. No doubt about it.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

City averaged an impressive 31,408 for home league games in 18/19. I've not checked it, but I'd be surprised if that's not in the club's top 5 average attendances for a season throughout its history.

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Just missed it Bob. It was 6th behind: 1954, 1953, 1949, 1948 & 1922.

StT.
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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

The recent attendance for the Millwall game (15,687) was the lowest for a league match at the CCS since March 2017. But in reality, we know that far fewer people are actually turning up than the declared attendance figures. You only have to look around you in the ground to realise that.

The smallest crowd last season was 17,131 for a midweek game against Blackburn. We've had midweek crowds on 16,205 and 15,687 already this season, while the attendance for the Blackburn home game on a Saturday was just 17,188.

Apathy is spreading. Crowds are getting smaller. No doubt about it.

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Very true, Dave. Didn't Tan say that when he left the Club we'd be in a healthier position?

StT.
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Originally Posted by Henry Hill

3 programmes :hehe:

I smell bullshit.

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:hehe: They are free in the Premier Lounge.

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Originally Posted by Steve the Tea

Just missed it Bob. It was 6th behind: 1954, 1953, 1949, 1948 & 1922.

StT.
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Thanks Steve :xmasthumbup:

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

City averaged an impressive 31,408 for home league games in 18/19. I've not checked it, but I'd be surprised if that's not in the club's top 5 average attendances for a season throughout its history. So, to say crowds under Vicent Tan have risen would not be wrong (I know for a fact that the 18/19 average attendance figure is higher than in any season since I saw my first home game in 63/64). However, a few thingsa need to be pointed out I feel.

For example, the crowd for the Millwall game was less than half of what we avaraged in 18/19 and I'd guess there's every chance it will be the same again tomorrow - the QPR crowd was just over 50 per cent of the 18/19 average. Our average league attendance this season is 18,876 which is very slightly below 60 per cent of the 18/19 figure.

In the last season before Vinvent Tan took over the ownership of the clun (09/10), City's average home league attendance was 19,413. Therefore, we now find ourselves in a position where the current team is much worse than the one Vincent Tan inherited and crowds are slightly smaller than they were when he took over, so Baloo is not wrong in saying that it's not as simple as a blanket statement saying crowds are up under vincent Tan even if it is accurate to say that crowds have, at times, been as high under this ownership as they've been since, at least, the 1950s.[/QUOTE

I’ve just posted the historical attendance numbers- it’s as clear as ever

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But I’m not wrong when I say we have a worse team and, for now, are getting lower crowds under Tan than we were getting just before he took over. That probably will change with a couple of games during the holiday period coming up and then a visit from the jacks early in the New Year as well as a game with the wurzels to come, so I think the 24/25 average home gate could well end up slightly bigger than the 18/19 one.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

The recent attendance for the Millwall game (15,687) was the lowest for a league match at the CCS since March 2017. But in reality, we know that far fewer people are actually turning up than the declared attendance figures. You only have to look around you in the ground to realise that.

The smallest crowd last season was 17,131 for a midweek game against Blackburn. We've had midweek crowds on 16,205 and 15,687 already this season, while the attendance for the Blackburn home game on a Saturday was just 17,188.

Apathy is spreading. Crowds are getting smaller. No doubt about it.

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I think tomorrow’s crowd for Preston could be smaller than the one for Millwall

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

I think tomorrow’s crowd for Preston could be smaller than the one for Millwall

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Yes, it will be low, there is an apathy that will be very hard to shift now.

Personally I'd rather not be so concerned about the running of the club, but the continued failures at board level directly cause the continued failures on the pitch and need to be sorted before the club can move forward.
There are of course no guarantees of success in football, but the way our club has been run in recent years has clearly not been working so a different approach is needed.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

However, Matt lost all right to be treated with respect in this thread when he said right at the start of his contribution that any one who backed what was said in the open letter should either buy the club or walk away from it - comparing someone’s support of their football club to their “support” of the super market they use wasn’t the cleverest either.

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So you are happy another user called him a twat are you Bob?

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

So you are happy another user called him a twat are you Bob?

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Nothing to do with me, im talking about nothing else than what I felt when I read that comment.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I said I found your opinion absurd a few days back and I still do - not much else I can say really.

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as I said, maybe that the difference between us :shrug:

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Nothing to do with me, im talking about nothing else than what I felt when I read that comment.

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I know the orginal comment was not yours Bob, but you seem to suggesting that Blue Matt has in a sense asked for it

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Originally Posted by blue matt

as I said, maybe that the difference between us :shrug:

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Probably, I’ve never ever thought that anyone would have to buy the club they support if they wanted to criticise the way it was being run and I don’t think I ever will do.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Oh does anyone want to buy some hardly worn merchandise?

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I'll take all 30 beach towels, £25 cash

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

So you are happy another user called him a twat are you Bob?

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Good grief...

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

But I’m not wrong when I say we have a worse team and, for now, are getting lower crowds under Tan than we were getting just before he took over. That probably will change with a couple of games during the holiday period coming up and then a visit from the jacks early in the New Year as well as a game with the wurzels to come, so I think the 24/25 average home gate could well end up slightly bigger than the 18/19 one.

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Yes but the sky Tv kick off times , the transport network back to the valleys and performance are all relative in respect of this seasons attendance figures

Still impressive considering the perceived “apathy” and the apparent need for the trust to go through unofficial channels

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Still impressive considering the perceived “apathy” and the apparent need for the trust to go through unofficial channels

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You can dress it any way you like, but the truth is there's been absolutely nothing impressive about City's attendances so far this season, and everyone who has attended games with any regularity knows that - even you.