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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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TISS
do you really think so? If anything, it will mean London's commuter belt extends up to the Midlands and beyond, meaning employment wealth created in London is being spent further away.
why would spending £1bn now mean our money was tied up for 80 years. if it is spent now, then it is spent, next year we have another £1bn to spend.
I dont see people moving to Birmingham, just because they can get to London 15 minutes quicker than they can now!
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
WJ99mobile
Then Ireland would just lower theirs
I dont really know the ins and outs of it to be honest, think we were comparing UK to Wales.
However what if we lower it by 0.01% lower than Ireland everytime they lower theirs?
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Rjk
The main problem with the M4 scheme is the payback. I think it cost more than 1bn (which probably means 2 or 3) and doing it would add 20-30 million a year to the economy.
given that 1bn is basically our entire budget for infrastructure spending, we are never going to tie that up for 30 odd years until the m4 relief road pays for itself
Another issue of course is there's no guarantee that it'll help ease the flow of traffic at all, in fact most studies show road expansion leads to increased vehicle use. In 20 years time we'd be talking about the M4 Relief Road's Relief Road
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
You gotta be F ucking taking the piss !!!!!!!!!!!
You seriously want Donald DUCKford in charge !!!!!!!!
..life before the Senedd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-QeKaiWulw
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
ken smith
I dont see people moving to Birmingham, just because they can get to London 15 minutes quicker than they can now!
I meant people of Birmingham could apply for, and commute to, jobs in London
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
Perhaps there should be a referendum and then we will see if there is demand for independence. Of course even the most ardent Yes Cymru person thinks a referendum is a good idea because everyone knows the result.
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
Vindec
Perhaps there should be a referendum and then we will see if there is demand for independence. Of course even the most ardent Yes Cymru person thinks a referendum is a good idea because everyone knows the result.
I'm not a member myself but I don't think Yes Cymru are under any illusions that they'd win that referendum now
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
TISS
I meant people of Birmingham could apply for, and commute to, jobs in London
Why don't they do so now, then, or do they?
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
The best thing about this thread is that its now at 8 pages.
Welsh independence needs to be talked about all the time, in mainstream media, social media, in the pub etc. There's rights and wrongs in both arguments but the only chance it'll happen is through it becoming part of every day conversation.
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Eric the Half a Bee
Why don't they do so now, then, or do they?
I doubt the current train times are perceived as being palatable with no direct train
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
Harry Paget Flashman
The best thing about this thread is that its now at 8 pages.
Welsh independence needs to be talked about all the time, in mainstream media, social media, in the pub etc. There's rights and wrongs in both arguments but the only chance it'll happen is through it becoming part of every day conversation.
Well said Sir. Some people seem to content with their nation underperforming. But then they probably don't see Wales as their nation.
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Garth Blue
Well said Sir. Some people seem to content with their nation underperforming. But then they probably don't see Wales as their nation.
we've had 20 years of one party rule. That is very much part of Wales' problem.
anyone will be better than Welsh Labour, even Plaid, and I say that knowing that the party is a moebius strip of stupidity.
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
[QUOTE=TISS;5128664]we've had 20 years of one party rule. That is very much part of Wales' problem.
Well, we can agree with that. When I voted for devolution I was under the impression that the voting system almost gauranteed a coalition government. I imagined a situation where the best talents in every party - yes including Tory but certainly not UKIP or whatever they are called these days - would work together on for the betterment of Wales. I did not vote for 1 party rule for 20 years. That has not been good for Wales. But 20 years of corrupt incompetent jingiostic Tory rule from Westminster is 10 times worse.
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
TISS
we've had 20 years of one party rule. That is very much part of Wales' problem.
anyone will be better than Welsh Labour, even Plaid, and I say that knowing that the party is a moebius strip of stupidity.
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Originally Posted by
TISS
we've had 20 years of one party rule. That is very much part of Wales' problem.
Well, we can agree with that. When I voted for devolution I was under the impression that the voting system almost gauranteed a coalition government. I imagined a situation where the best talents in every party - yes including Tory but certainly not UKIP or whatever they are called these days - would work together on for the betterment of Wales. I did not vote for 1 party rule for 20 years. That has not been good for Wales. But 20 years of corrupt incompetent jingiostic Tory rule from Westminster is 10 times worse.
I'd agree that the current system in Cardiff or Westmister doesn't lend itself to effective government. It just leads to petty squabbling, playing to the crowd etc.
Personally I'd like to see a system brought in where yes there is scrutiny, but MPs/AMs are encouraged to collaborate. Can you imagine trying to run a business the way the country is run, when no matter what you say, half the board room have to agree and cheer it rapturously and the other half have to disagree and boo loudly?
Also currently MPs are only incentivised to get reelected in 5 years, nothing else matters. I think they should be aiming to get some kind of long term financial rewards based on the long term impact of their policies.
It would be easier to shake up the senydd than Westminster, and I think Wales could grasp the opportunity to reform the way politics works here which could give it a genuine advantage
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Originally Posted by
Garth Blue
I'd agree that the current system in Cardiff or Westmister doesn't lend itself to effective government. It just leads to petty squabbling, playing to the crowd etc.
Personally I'd like to see a system brought in where yes there is scrutiny, but MPs/AMs are encouraged to collaborate. Can you imagine trying to run a business the way the country is run, when no matter what you say, half the board room have to agree and cheer it rapturously and the other half have to disagree and boo loudly?
Also currently MPs are only incentivised to get reelected in 5 years, nothing else matters. I think they should be aiming to get some kind of long term financial rewards based on the long term impact of their policies.
It would be easier to shake up the senydd than Westminster, and I think Wales could grasp the opportunity to reform the way politics works here which could give it a genuine advantage
I don't disagree with any of this, although I do admire your optimism in believing Welsh Labour AMs would vote to change what is clearly a gravy train where they get paid for delivering very little if anything at all. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
ken smith
I dont see people moving to Birmingham, just because they can get to London 15 minutes quicker than they can now!
I think they might. I commuted to London very frequently and saw the same people regularly. Having said that the case for HS2 is getting weaker with the number of people working at home and holding meetings likely to increase when this virus episode is over.
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
Harry Paget Flashman
The best thing about this thread is that its now at 8 pages.
Welsh independence needs to be talked about all the time, in mainstream media, social media, in the pub etc. There's rights and wrongs in both arguments but the only chance it'll happen is through it becoming part of every day conversation.
That's exactly why I started the thread.
It's one of the most important questions and debates for Wales in the modern era.
And as you can see from this thread, people have strong and astute opinions, on both sides of the argument, and these conversations need to continue and be mainstreamed in Wales.
Unlike the Brexit debate, this thread has already shown that people care desperately and want a proper debate, not just soundbites, slogans and bullshit like the brexit debacle.
I'm loving reading the thread.
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
AfricanBluebird
That's exactly why I started the thread.
It's one of the most important questions and debates for Wales in the modern era.
And as you can see from this thread, people have strong and astute opinions, on both sides of the argument, and these conversations need to continue and be mainstreamed in Wales.
Unlike the Brexit debate, this thread has already shown that people care desperately and want a proper debate, not just soundbites, slogans and bullshit like the brexit debacle.
I'm loving reading the thread.
I'm enjoying reading this thread, it's stayed on point the entire way through.
I would be really interested in doing a poll along the lines of 'would you vote for independence if there was a poll tomorrow' on the main board. I'm sure it would be generally be moved to the politics board but I would love to see a general consensus. Not sure if it is something that we could do? The tide seems to have definitely turned in the past 6 months with Brexit and Covid, there is a strong points to be made.
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
Wozza16
I'm enjoying reading this thread, it's stayed on point the entire way through.
I would be really interested in doing a poll along the lines of 'would you vote for independence if there was a poll tomorrow' on the main board. I'm sure it would be generally be moved to the politics board but I would love to see a general consensus. Not sure if it is something that we could do? The tide seems to have definitely turned in the past 6 months with Brexit and Covid, there is a strong points to be made.
It's good that this thread wasn't transferred to the Politics board. There it would have died a very quick death.
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
If independence happens then the League of Wales may be boosted by 4 more teams.
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
Are ‘Yes Cymru’ advocating the burning of holiday homes?
If so, we can resurrect the terrace ditty sang in the 80s although with us all being more politically correct and touchy, freely, sensitive we need to change some of the lyrics.
:flare::flare::flare::flare: decent of the board to already have a smiley for the future campaign too.
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YesCymru memberships over 12,000 now.... incredibly up over 3000 in the past 48-72 hours!
The chancellor extending the furlough scheme for Boris after telling the Welsh Gov that it wasn't possible for technical reasons has really annoyed people.
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Wozza16
YesCymru memberships over 12,000 now.... incredibly up over 3000 in the past 48-72 hours!
The chancellor extending the furlough scheme for Boris after telling the Welsh Gov that it wasn't possible for technical reasons has really annoyed people.
Let's speculate for a moment and imagine there was Welsh independence. Do the Yes Cymru supporters imagine in their wildest dreams that there would be a furlough scheme introduced by a Welsh Government? They simply wouldn't have the borrowing powers or the money to cope with a pandemic.
Of course Welsh people were annoyed that there couldn't be a Welsh only furlough scheme but they would be even more annoyed if English workers were getting 80% of their wages paid while Welsh workers would get less, or more likely nothing.
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Wozza16
YesCymru memberships over 12,000 now.... incredibly up over 3000 in the past 48-72 hours!
The chancellor extending the furlough scheme for Boris after telling the Welsh Gov that it wasn't possible for technical reasons has really annoyed people.
Agree with this.
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A few years ago I wouldn't have entertained it but with Rail Electrification, Tidal Power, Air Passenger Duty, Furlough scheme and proposed internal market bill decisions all made in Westminster to the detriment of Wales I would vote for independence. We could focus on Green and Medical technology to increase our wealth whilst focusing on the abundance on Natural Renewable Resources (of which England gets access to very cheaply).
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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AfricanBluebird
Just seeing what appetite there is on this board for moving towards full independence.
I think the ineptness of the Tories, the arogance & corruption of Westminster and the London-centric / English biased media (including the left-wing media), has made it easier to believe we would be better off on our own.
I'm under no illusions that it will be difficult and we have a long way to go, but has anyone else shifted towards independence recently?
No. The Welsh Assembly couldn't manage a fart in a spacesuit
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
Wozza16
YesCymru memberships over 12,000 now.... incredibly up over 3000 in the past 48-72 hours!
The chancellor extending the furlough scheme for Boris after telling the Welsh Gov that it wasn't possible for technical reasons has really annoyed people.
Great, thats almost 0.004% of the population are members now. They really are making a big statement and I bet the Government are quaking in their boots.
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dml1954
Great, thats almost 0.004% of the population are members now. They really are making a big statement and I bet the Government are quaking in their boots.
13,000 now.
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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dml1954
No. The Welsh Assembly couldn't manage a fart in a spacesuit
Of the 50+ countries that have opted out of Westiminster control, how many have asked to return?