Not keen but I suspect it's the future. For teams like!e Somerset and Sussex I can't see what would be in it for their supporters. Would Somerset have to support a Bristol team? Can't see how there would be a connection.
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Well done to Wally on leading a brave fightback at 280/8
Wallace run out (!) already - Essex need 263 to win
Interesting chat with the retiring seamers Masters and Napier, during the Essex break.
The were saying that Silverwood has Essex set-up to play attritional cricket, where the batsman grid out the bigger scores, and that their seamers can then chip away at a top of off stump line and make it hard for the opposition batsman.
I would say that that attitude is the direct opposite of the attitude Croft bring to the game, especially with his quotes in the press.
My point is that we don’t really need new coaches, I find the need for a batting coach a bit unwarranted, because there is batting experience already at the club in the shape of Morris and Rudolph that can pass those messages over, and also the fact that you would say younger players need coaching, while senior players need tweaks in their technique. The fact that its our younger players that are doing well points to there being something going right in the coaching.
What we do need in the longer form game is a change in attitude.
Maybe we are seeing pressure from the top that our shorter form games are attractive because that brings in the money, so we have focused all our play on that to the determent of the championship game.
I was speaking to someone involved in St Fagans this season, and he was very much of the old school coaching format where you take a youngster and you teach them technique first and then expand their game as their strength grows, and I remember many a game down there where you would come up against a younger player, and he wouldn’t score but you wouldn’t get him out either. They then had Matthew Maynard come down to take a session and he went in right away and forget all that and just hit it as far as you can, the members were shocked, but maybe that is the way the game is going these days. That you teach a player to slog first and the technique comes afterwards. Maybe Croft then comes from that school of thought, and what we will se is some frustrating seasons while it all comes together.
Essex 173-5 they need another 90 runs to win
I agree that it's a bit of a generational thing. What teaching I received on the art of batting started with trying to get my defence right and then the instruction was to try and develop your game (both in general terms and in playing an innings) as you felt more comfortable - it follows therefore that I instinctively balk at the sort of thing we've see from Glamorgan this season.
It's taken me a while to see the other side of the argument, but I can now understand the logic which says batting four hours for fifty when you are trying to save a game keeps pressure on your team in a way that batting the same time and scoring four times as many doesn't - more often than not, the first approach ends up with your side losing as well.
I agree with you to the extent that Glamorgan's poor batting this season can be put down to an attitude thing rather than the way individuals are coached. It seems all batsmen are encouraged to be more positive these days, but I still say that there is a place for the skills which prevailed for a hundred years and more and I get the impression that these are undervalued these days - as in most things, the answer lies between the two extremes and it would appear that Essex appreciate this because they have batsmen who will score at a quick enough rate without taking the sort of risks Glamorgan's do.
The strange thing is that Glamorgan's approach to bowling in the Championship has been attritional with an emphasis on exactly the same things that Essex aim for - indeed, I can remember one of their players saying how hard we made it for their batsman to push things along in the game they played at Cardiff earlier in the season and it's a compliment I've heard repeated by Kent and Sussex players as well.
Essex 192-6 now with ten Doeschate providing Hogan with his fourth wicket. We'll probably lose this game, but we had the better of a draw with the Second Division Champions in May I think it was and now we're pushing them all the way here - strange that we can do this and yet be stuffed by teams like Gloucester (twice), Northants (twice) and Leicester.
When i say there is need for a change in attitude, i believe that, that attitude comes from the coaching, if all your batting session are attacking and all the talk is to attack then its difficult to switch from that in a match situation.
However it is yet to be seen that this approach may benefit our younger players in the long run.
Its all down to the attitude of whether you primarily look at this a season of disappointing LVCC results (which it is), or a season of development and progression of youngsters (which you could argue it is as well).
205-7, another wicket for Hogan, but it's made for Graham Napier to come in and win the game in his final home match for Essex.
What Silverwod is doing is precisely the point. It may not be pretty but it is effective. We have too many batsmen playing four day cricket but with one day mindsets and I would include Ingram and Cooke here.
I would much rather we score at 3 an over and bat for 100 overs than score at 4 an over and get bowled out in 60 overs. By being bowled out so quickly our bowlers get less rest as well.
Two other points. We don't have a single batsman in the top 50 division 2 batting averages. Our bowling bonus points are higher than any other team in the division bar Essex.
If we swapped Rudolph's runs for Mark Cosgrove's we would be doing a lot better.
A great effort today. We may well lose but it's a proper fight. Fantastic from Hoges.
We could do with the win as Derbyshire look like winning.
223/8. Van Der Gugten strikes. Excellent bowling from him and Hogan today.
229/9. Just one more wicket to record what would be an exceptional win.
10 overs left. One wicket or 26 runs required.
Surely time to bring back Hogan
Yes:thumbup:
At least Derbyshire didn't win. Essex are going to nick this.
We won!
Immense effort from Timm and Hoges and an outstanding victory. Just shows how badly they have underperformed in previous games.
Just a word on Wally who has now taken 51 catches which is more than any other keeper in either division. He has scored more runs that most other keepers too. Well done to Wally. He is still a top keeper after all these years.
Three wins in the Championship and I'd say the match winner in two of them were teenagers.
That's impressive from their batsmen. They had Leicestershire at 8 wickets down today and then didn't take a wicket in nearly two hours and drew the game. Their bowling is awful.
Thought I'd leave the posting today to others after our collapse yesterday, glad I did!
Great credit to Hogan and van Gugten who must have bowled fantastically well today and few would have blamed them if we would have come up short after our batsmen did their usual.
Interesting stats by Pearcey and also the one day mentality for the four day game, something which I agree with.
In fact we aren't the only ones to fall foul of this mindset as it's something I have felt has crept into the game in the last 10 to 20 years.
I have not checked any figures but how many Test matches go the full 5 days these days like they did "back in the day"? Far fewer I'd wager.
Whether it is to do directly with the many limited overs games played these days or the fielding sides perhaps are far better than the batsmen, or the pitches favour the bowlers (or even poor concentration span for anything other than a playsstation??) the ability of batsmen to see off the main bowling attack before building an innings seems to have been lost.
Whatever the reason, proper cricket i.e. 4&5 days is what we should be targeting as a county and hopefully our promising bunch of youngsters will not be forced to ply their trade elsewhere.
More hours in the nets with "proper" coaches in the close season would be a start!
Yep agree with all of that. Test matches often don't last more than four days. Pretty much unheard of 40 years ago. Run rates are also much higher these days and as you say one day cricket has a lot to do with it.
Our record with youngsters is so poor so I hope this season is a false dawn. Just look at Andrew Salter. He has gone backwards over the past three seasons.
Leicester 96 all out, they were 64-9 - five wickets for Van de Gugten, two each for Hogan and Carey.
Brilliant display by the bowlers let's hope the batters don't let them down again.
16-0
I was looking at the Championship tables this morning and noticed that the three top teams, Middlesex, Yorkshire and Somereset have only won 5 games each out of 15....strange
Essex have won 6, with the other teams in division 2 winning 5.
Lots of draw this season, and if Glamorgan win this game they will move onto 4 wins, if we could have won 2 (Sussex was a tight game, that could have gone either way) more matches the season would have looked a lot different.
It just shows by such small margins cricket seasons are made.
250 is the score needed to be able to take over Leics in the table.
155-8 the inevitable collapse
199 all out
Carlson 74 thank god for him
Yep once again the batsmen fail and are shown up by a teenager. I just hope Morris shows some teeth and gets rid of Rudolph. I would hate it if he held an undeserved place in the side ahead of one of our youngsters.
Oh well 8th it is then. We need some openers.