So in other words .....you are a feckin tory
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He would have if Boris had remained, chances massively reduced now mind, they can dump it all on Boris and get someone very serious and business like in to be completely opposite.
labours best chance is to beg the Durham police to fine him and replace him as quickly as possible.
No I disagree - I'm no fan of Kier particularly but Labour don't want him to be charged with "having some food" in Durham, as that will allow it to be easily manipulated from "tory sleaze" to "they're all as bad as each other"
Boris was dragging the Tory party down, but also did attract his own supporters through his personality - I#ve heard plenty of them on radio phone ins - not really dyed in the wool tories, but prepared to make excuse after excuse for good old boris, after all he's trying his best etc, I don't see the Tories suddenly leaping back to a huge lead in the polls now they've got rid of him, and there's every chance they'll elect someone pretty woeful to follow, as none of the main candidates are very inspiring.
I also think the damage that has been done to public confidence won't be as easy to win back by changing the man at the top.
So, you think twelve years of Tory rule (five of it with the Lib Dems) has been good for the country? Why? Nearly every attempt I’ve seen to answer that question begins with “but what would it have been like with Labour”, but it would be good to see why anyone thinks we’re better off now than we were in April 2010 in the month before the Tories regained power.
In the run up to the election I can remember a taxi driver telling me that despite the fact he wasn't a regular Tory voter and thought Boris was an idiot, the idea of Corbyn in charge was worse and so would vote Conservative to keep him out.
The whole "Corbyn is the bogeyman" shitck by the media worked wonders.
I experienced this too. It was ironic because when people were read/shown a number of key policies from the manifesto, they agreed with them and said they could back them. Then they were told they were Corbyn's and immediately said they wouldn't vote for them.
There really is no way of saying whether the country would have been in a better or worse position than it is now if Labour had been in power for those 12 years, given it is hypothetical and it just is not possible to compare. An individual's viewpoint is going to be driven by their own politics so if you're left wing you'll think it would have been better and if you're right wing you'll think it would have been worse.
Historians love counter factual scenarios, and almost every occasion, counter factual tends to result in convergence with actual events in the long run. Given most political decisions only tweak around the edges, certainly in respect of the economy, my view is that we'd probably be exactly where we are today.
Podium is out in Downing St.
Am I the only person in the country who actually quite likes Starmer ? I'd happily vote for him. The only thing that puts me off the Labour Party are the amount of loonies associated who are still throwing their toys out the pram about corbyn being kicked out. The hard done by 'worlds against us' narrative is almost trumpian in nature. The biggest drawback both corbyn and Johnson have is that they are both as thick as dogsh*t . They may have charisma and pedigree in their respective movements, but sooner or later that complete lack of intelligence will always shine through.
I'd happily see 5 years of a starmer led Labour party with a sensible tory leader in opposition. I hope Labour are tough with the red wall tories aswell. I'd imagine a few will be looking to defect . Labour need to tell them where to go, and then beat them in the election.
Some good points!
I think the damage is already done, if you interview Mrs Miggins in the Cotswolds she will say theyre all as bad as each other.
The wrong appointment could take them down, it's like new football Manager time get it right they are away, get the appointment wrong and theyre relegated.
Personally I think they'll get it right and win the League by ten points easily.
Starmers a wet wipe I just watched him on BBC he's so lame!
Yep and we definitely would not be out of the EU as Miliband had ruled out a referendum prior to the 2015 GE.
Just look at the explosion of food banks and homeless since 2010. Yet our national debt is so much greater than it was back then.
Our hospitals and schools are desperately struggling, the economy is on the brink of another recession, rampant inflation, labour shortages life expectancy stagnant etc etc. This is before we even mention all the lies and corruption.
We need a Burnham Labour led Govt before these c*nts destroy what’s left.
But hasn't theses people been in power in the UK for the majority of this century including the Blair Tory lite government , we are not actually at the bottom of the financial , poverty and global influencing league , folk , business , migrants around the world see us in a different light??
Are we suggesting that the country Labour would have grown under Ed Miliband (who I voted for) and Corbyn / McDonald and Abbott ?
Labour should have better managed its post Blair world better and not allowed its own in house party battles , that has seen so many good capable Labour MP's lost to us if they had just built on the good Blair tactic's you'd not be seeing all this shite , sadly when you mention Blair to many Labour voter's they resort to 4 letter swearing ....
Yes David Miliband was the perfect answer , sadly the Labour party go it wrong not the Tories , they should have the insight , self control to build on it instead of creating a left v centrists war that turned millions away form them ..
Costing £100 billion a year according to https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/po...a-year-328442/
What does that have to do with voting Tory or Labour?
Me and my mrs are both in the higher rate tax bands and vote for left wing parties and neither of us have ever received a benefit.
I find the idea that based on what you earn to be the most short sighted and stupid thing a person could do.