Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Do you believe them?

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Yes. Do you believe the Russians? Separately today Lavrov claimed they had "irrefutable data" that the UK was involved. He needs to show it, and fast.

Here's another short video pertaining to your beloved White Helmets. At the 2.20 mark is when a US government official acknowledges the US funds them, that's in spite of the White Helmets claim to be independent. Another question for you, why would you think is the reason the UK hasn't been able thus far showing Yulia Skripal fit and healthy and happy to be in protective custody?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aAa...ature=youtu.be

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Yes. Do you believe the Russians? Separately today Lavrov claimed they had "irrefutable data" that the UK was involved. He needs to show it, and fast.

Here's another short video pertaining to your beloved White Helmets. At the 2.20 mark is when a US government official acknowledges the US funds them, that's in spite of the White Helmets claim to be independent. Another question for you, why would you think is the reason the UK hasn't been able thus far showing Yulia Skripal fit and healthy and happy to be in protective custody?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aAaReVn2I4&feature=youtu.be

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Ok fair enough. This what TASS said:

He said the ministry had found those who took part in filming the rent-a-mob chemical attack in Syria’s Douma and these people told how the video had been shot.

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"Today, the Russian defense ministry has other evidence proving the United Kingdom’s direct involvement in the organization of this provocation in Eastern Ghouta," he said

In his words, the so-called White Helmets were pressed by London in a period from April 3 to 6 to hurry up with the implementation of the planned provocation. "The White Helmets were told that in a period from April 3 to 6 Jaysh al-Islam militants would conduct a series of massive artillery bombings of Damascus. It would provoke a retaliation operation by government forces and the White Helmets were to use it to stage a provocation with an alleged use of chemical weapons," he said.

According to Konashenkov, officers of the Russian defense ministry spoke with two Syrian who had taken part in filming the framed-up attack. Both have medical diplomas and work with the emergency department of Douma’s hospital. The two men do not conceal their names. They told Russian officers that all those who had been taken to hospital during the filming had no symptoms of exposure to toxic agents.

"When the patients were receiving first aid unidentified people burst into the hospital, some were holding video cameras," the spokesman cited them as saying. "These people started shouting, fanning hysteria. They carried hose and douched all present with water crying out that all of them had been exposed to poisonous agents."

"The patients and their relatives yielded to panic and began to pour water on each other. After this scene was caught on video, these unidentified people fled," he added.

This is what is called evidence in the civilized world, he stressed, adding that Russia had repeatedly warned about provocations with the alleged use of chemical weapons against civilians plotted by militants in Eastern Ghouta.

Some non-governmental organizations, including White Helmets, claim that chemical weapons were used in Douma, Eastern Ghouta, on April 7. According to the statement uploaded to the organization’s website on April 8, chlorine bombs were dropped on the city to kill dozens and poison other local civilians who had to be brought to hospital.


So a UK government that couldn't work out its arse from its elbow in managing the Skripal case was directed at the highest level to contrive a mock chemical attack? Fair play your imagination is better than mine!

You still haven't worked out who the goodies and baddies are in this saga.

Once again, can you provide a sensible explanation for why the British state cannot provide the media with a video interview of the daughter so as to counter Russia very serious allegations.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

You still haven't worked out who the goodies and baddies are in this saga.

Once again, can you provide a sensible explanation for why the British state cannot provide the media with a video interview of the daughter so as to counter Russia very serious allegations.

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We seem to be disappearing down a cul-de-sac. I asked if you believed the Russian government's argument that the UK government contrived this crisis in cahoots with the White Helmets and you unequivocally said yes.

You asked what's in it for Assad to launch a stike which is a perfectly reasonable question. My question is what is there in this for May? Being found out in trying to contrive World War 3 would be curtains for a fragile democracy. Of course the President for life Putin and King Assad have a bit more resilience should their fingerprints be found.

Still you have nailed your colours to the mast that the UK is up to no good

Blah. You're on a wind-up here. Instead of answering polite questions you ignore them to ask a question of your own. You'll not waste any more of my time.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Blah. You're on a wind-up here. Instead of answering polite questions you ignore them to ask a question of your own. You'll not waste any more of my time.

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That's your choice I guess.

The only communications I have seen from Yulia Skripal have been a scripted Greta Garbo "I want to be alone" message and a verbatim transcript of a purported conversation between her and her cousin Viktoria when Yulia apparently rang her out of the blue. Perhaps a young vulnerable person thinks a period of introspection is sensible in the midst of this global arm wrestle.

Russia: Trace of Western-made nerve agent seen in UK samples

Russia’s foreign minister says Moscow has received a document from a Swiss lab that analyzed the samples in the nerve agent poisoning of an ex-Russian spy, which points at a Western-designed nerve agent as a likely cause.

Minister Sergey Lavrov said Saturday that Moscow received the confidential information from the laboratory in Spiez, Switzerland, that analyzed samples from the site of the March 4 poisoning of Sergei Skripal and his daughter in the English city of Salisbury.

He said the analysis was done at the request of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons.

The OPCW’s report confirmed British findings that the Skripals were poisoned with a military-grade nerve agent, but didn’t say who was responsible.

Britain has accused Russia of poisoning them with a Soviet-designed agent, an accusation that Moscow denies.

Lavrov said the document indicated that the samples from Salisbury contained BZ nerve agent and its precursor. He said BZ was part of chemical arsenals of the U.S., Britain and other NATO countries, while the Soviet Union and Russia never developed the agent.

Lavrov added that the Swiss lab also pointed at the presence of the nerve agent A234 in the samples, but added that the lab noted that its presence in the samples appeared strange, given the substance’s high volatility and the relatively long period between the poisoning and the sample-taking.

He noted that OPCW’s report didn’t contain any mention of BZ, adding that Russia will ask the chemical weapons watchdog for an explanation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...966_story.html

Russia spread fake news via Twitter bots after Salisbury poisoning – analysis

Propaganda from Russian-operated accounts grew by 4,000% in aftermath of attack, Whitehall says.

Russia used trolls and bots to unleash disinformation on to social media in the wake of the Salisbury poisoning, according to fresh Whitehall analysis. Government sources said experts had uncovered an increase of up to 4,000% in the spread of propaganda from Russia-based accounts since the attack,– many of which were identifiable as automated bots.

Theresa May highlighted the cyber-threat from Russia in her Mansion House speech earlier this year, telling the Kremlin: “I have a very simple message for Russia. We know what you are doing. And you will not succeed.”

But civil servants identified a sharp increase in the flow of fake news after the Salisbury poisoning, which continued in the runup to the airstrikes on Syria.

One bot, @Ian56789, was sending 100 posts a day during a 12-day period from 7 April, and reached 23 million users, before the account was suspended. It focused on claims that the chemical weapons attack on Douma had been falsified, using the hashtag #falseflag. Another, @Partisangirl, reached 61 million users with 2,300 posts over the same 12-day period.

Continued .. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...witter-bots-uk


Update:

Russian bot located and responds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00eJTLJGlmQ

So that’s what David Vincent looks like....

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So that’s what David Vincent looks like....

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I thought it might be Organ Morgan. He looks far too young to be me. Also he didn't have a Welsh accent. I was surprised how much time they gave him. Sky were hoping he'd trip himself up and he did to some extent when he pretended he had an American vote. Apart from that he did quite well.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Blah. You're on a wind-up here. Instead of answering polite questions you ignore them to ask a question of your own. You'll not waste any more of my time.

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I don't think he's on a wind-up. There are a lot of people who so brainwashed that they can't see beyond the artificial reality created for them by the MSM. I think we should see posters like Cyril as a genuine challenge rather than an annoyance. We spend so much time agreeing with other blue pill types on other forums that we sometimes forget we always need to challenge our own beliefs.

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I don't think he's on a wind-up. There are a lot of people who so brainwashed that they can't see beyond the artificial reality created for them by the MSM. I think we should see posters like Cyril as a genuine challenge rather than an annoyance. We spend so much time agreeing with other blue pill types on other forums that we sometimes forget we always need to challenge our own beliefs.

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Thanks. I am not sure about the brainwashed but I suppose if I was brainwashed I wouldn't would I? It seems strange after growing up with so few media outlets and most of those managed by vested interests of one description or another across the political spectrum to see most of them lumped together in one homogenous mass as creating an artificial reality for mainstream junkies. If only we had know that the truth lived elsewhere in hitherto unknown recesses of the internet waiting to be discovered by only the most agile and inquisitive minds. It 's good now and then that the blue pillers share some of those secrets.

What I do agree upon is the more challenge there is the better. The more this starts from facts rather than beliefs the more sensible the debate.

It's all gone quiet on the Skripals' front. Similar with the so-called Syria chemical attack for which Russia has provided a welter of evidence courtesy of the testimony of local residents and doctors who treated the 'victims' all of whom state it was a hoax perpetrated and filmed by those US funded White Helmets.

Meanwhile, Israel's sabre rattling reached new levels of hysteria yesterday with their Defence minister's reported remarks: https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,...241923,00.html

Next month on the 14th marks the 70th anniversary of the Zionist state's creation. There's all sorts of religious shite surrounding that date.

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It's all gone quiet on the Skripals' front. Similar with the so-called Syria chemical attack for which Russia has provided a welter of evidence courtesy of the testimony of local residents and doctors who treated the 'victims' all of whom state it was a hoax perpetrated and filmed by those US funded White Helmets.

Meanwhile, Israel's sabre rattling reached new levels of hysteria yesterday with their Defence minister's reported remarks: https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,...241923,00.html

Next month on the 14th marks the 70th anniversary of the Zionist state's creation. There's all sorts of religious shite surrounding that date.

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Russia presents unharmed Syrians to OPCW, Western envoys condemn 'stunt'

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mi...-idUKKBN1HX26P

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Russia presents unharmed Syrians to OPCW, Western envoys condemn 'stunt'

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mi...-idUKKBN1HX26P

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Yeah, I watched it. Those who were there made for very convincing witnesses. Western journalists present tried and failed miserably to suggest they were terrified and being coerced.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

It's all gone quiet on the Skripals' front.

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More important things are happening

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43922335

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More important things are happening

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43922335

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I didn't think the usual globalist suspects would pull the same Syria chemical stunt yet again. But I was in awe of their iron control of the narrative through their propaganda outlets.

The value of the Iranian currency is being crushed presently (see the gleeful remarks of the Israeli Defence bloke in the article I linked) and its citizens are suffering hugely. They know of course why it's happening but there's festering discontent as they're struggling to feed themselves with rocketing inflation.

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More important things are happening

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43922335

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I know you have already joined the dots on this one Gluey, A couple of days after the Trump/Macron love in and just before Trump is having a short forced chat with Frau Merkel and it is announced that Trump will see the Queen then they name him Louis rather than the usual Germanic options! I heard that Fox and Farage were making strong representations that he should be called Barron but it seems that this did not quite make the shortlist.

Russia complaining today about what they view as a news blackout by UK media re the Skripals: Russian diplomat slams UK media's sudden blackout on Skripal case - http://tass.com/politics/1002502

Three or four days back Russian media suggested both could be dead. If that was designed to prompt British authorities to make public a video of the father or daughter or both alive and well then it singularly failed as nothing's been forthcoming. Russian officials have not been able to see either, nor has Britain acceded to Russian requests that agreed third parties see either or both. The Russian's now control the narrative as the government and corporate media fall silent.

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Russia complaining today about what they view as a news blackout by UK media re the Skripals: Russian diplomat slams UK media's sudden blackout on Skripal case - http://tass.com/politics/1002502

Three or four days back Russian media suggested both could be dead. If that was designed to prompt British authorities to make public a video of the father or daughter or both alive and well then it singularly failed as nothing's been forthcoming. Russian officials have not been able to see either, nor has Britain acceded to Russian requests that agreed third parties see either or both. The Russian's now control the narrative as the government and corporate media fall silent.

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Are you seriously saying that someone who got caught spying for the West then with his daughter may or may not have been poisoned by them in the UK as a consequence should notify the Russian authorities of their well being and potential location to avoid the Russians controlling the narrative?

Yes, obviously... they are Russian citizens. Somewhat surprised you asked that question.

Last I heard the father was reported to be in Salisbury hospital where his daughter reportedly was. From your remarks revealing their location was endangering them and he remains in peril. Do'h.

In addition to being Russian citizens, I imagine they have friends and family members who are anxious to know whether they are okay. I'm sure the British authorities possess the wit to film the daughter at her reported secret location without leaving any clues as to where that location might be.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Yes, obviously... they are Russian citizens. Somewhat surprised you asked that question.

Last I heard the father was reported to be in Salisbury hospital where his daughter reportedly was. From your remarks revealing their location was endangering them and he remains in peril. Do'h.

In addition to being Russian citizens, I imagine they have friends and family members who are anxious to know whether they are okay. I'm sure the British authorities possess the wit to film the daughter at her reported secret location without leaving any clues as to where that location might be.

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So they are in Salisbury you say, what's the problem?

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So they are in Salisbury you say, what's the problem?

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No, he's reportedly still a patient at Salisbury hospital, she's supposedly at a secret location (where video cameras also don't function, ha).

The 'problem' is the one you invented. Below is your earlier post so that you may reread it.

Are you seriously saying that someone who got caught spying for the West then with his daughter may or may not have been poisoned by them in the UK as a consequence should notify the Russian authorities of their well being and potential location to avoid the Russians controlling the narrative?

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No, he's reportedly still a patient at Salisbury hospital, she's supposedly at a secret location (where video cameras also don't function, ha).

The 'problem' is the one you invented. Below is your earlier post so that you may reread it.

Are you seriously saying that someone who got caught spying for the West then with his daughter may or may not have been poisoned by them in the UK as a consequence should notify the Russian authorities of their well being and potential location to avoid the Russians controlling the narrative?

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So their both dead. One in the morgue of an NHS hospital and the other in an unnamed location?

Very few people know whether they're alive or dead. What must be patently clear to anyone, even you, is that they are being kept away from cameras and phones and Russian consular access and independent, mutually agreed third parties.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Very few people know whether they're alive or dead. What must be patently clear to anyone, even you, is that they are being kept away from cameras and phones and Russian consular access and independent, mutually agreed third parties.

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I agree that they are being kept away from Russians. It would appear that they are not using phones and cameras. Who are these independent mutually agreed third parties?

I would imagine diplomats or other officials from countries/organisations that both the UK/Russia can have faith in. The alleged incident occurred on March 4th. As I've bored myself stating the same thing, I'll let you construct a scenario for why both father and daughter haven't wanted to use phones and why they haven't had their photos or moving images taken to, if nothing else, reassure people they care about that they're content. And also to spike Russian accusations.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

I would imagine diplomats or other officials from countries/organisations that both the UK/Russia can have faith in. The alleged incident occurred on March 4th. As I've bored myself stating the same thing, I'll let you construct a scenario for why both father and daughter haven't wanted to use phones and why they haven't had their photos or moving images taken to, if nothing else, reassure people they care about that they're content. And also to spike Russian accusations.

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You restarted this discussion a couple of hours ago so if you have bored yourself stating the same thing it is probably through repetition. The desire for third party verification is interesting given your dismissal of the WHO position on the Syrian "chemical attack" and concern about those nasty Russians running off with the narrative is touching given the number of YouTube videoa you have posted in the last few weeks showing interviews with their envoys or advocates.

I raised the question of the UK's inability/unwillingness to make public a video of the daughter reassuring everyone (friends/family/Russian government/doubting Thomas' and anyone else) in this thread over a fortnight ago in this thread. You nor anyone else has attempted to explain why.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

I raised the question of the UK's inability/unwillingness to make public a video of the daughter reassuring everyone (friends/family/Russian government/doubting Thomas' and anyone else) in this thread over a fortnight ago in this thread. You nor anyone else has attempted to explain why.

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I know why, it's because the planned news cycle is over.

Daddy Skripal has been released from hospital, the BBC reports: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44165718

10 weeks after being exposed to what we were told endlessly was the world's deadliest nerve agent, both are said to be livin' and breathing. But they remain curiously ultra shy of using phones, being filmed and communicating with anyone.

Don't expect anybody on here to notice anything out of the ordinary :biggrin:

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Don't expect anybody on here to notice anything out of the ordinary :biggrin:

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Cyril, for one, can be relied upon not to scratch his head.

What do you reckon this half-baked caper really involved? I'm minded to believe it was an elaborate hoax from the outset or a bungled assassination attempt by pretty much any Western alphabet agency.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Cyril, for one, can be relied upon not to scratch his head.

What do you reckon this half-baked caper really involved? I'm minded to believe it was an elaborate hoax from the outset or a bungled assassination attempt by pretty much any Western alphabet agency.

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Gonna be some awkward news coming out one of these days, so they had to dirty up the Russians in advance.

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Don't expect anybody on here to notice anything out of the ordinary :biggrin:

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Cough cough :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Cyril, for one, can be relied upon not to scratch his head.

What do you reckon this half-baked caper really involved? I'm minded to believe it was an elaborate hoax from the outset or a bungled assassination attempt by pretty much any Western alphabet agency.

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I am touched that you thought of me. So either an elaborate hoax or a bungled assassination attempt by the West? Why limit yourself to just two contradictory theories?

Thought of you as you seem the most determined to keep believing in government and corporate media fairytales however absurd they become.

To remain faithful to the official version of this affair, that "it's highly likely that Russia is responsible," then it's critical you don't question why extremely devious and super sinister Russian agents directed by the dangerous ogre who is Vladimir Putin with all of his state's immense resources chose to attempt a double assassination of its citizens on British soil just weeks before a Russian presidential election and, quite bizarrely, as with Litvinenko years previously, opted to use poison once again whilst knowing full well that that method would arouse the suspicion of their involvement and with it the pretext for the controlled media to espouse miles of anti-Russian propaganda.

It's essential for those who cling to the fantasy to convince themselves that although Russian spooks and Vlad are indeed devious and sinister they are remarkably stupid as well, for if they fail to apply that reasoning they will have to wonder why, as an example, bullets weren't used to murder them.

Months later, all other Cyril's must studiously not question why the camera shy and uncommunicative father and daughter haven't had the good grace to publicly thank all those medical staff and others for saving their lives and are seemingly every bit as determined not to contact any friends or family members to reassure them that they are content with their circumstances.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Thought of you as you seem the most determined to keep believing in government and corporate media fairytales however absurd they become.

To remain faithful to the official version of this affair, that "it's highly likely that Russia is responsible," then it's critical you don't question why extremely devious and super sinister Russian agents directed by the dangerous ogre who is Vladimir Putin with all of his state's immense resources chose to attempt a double assassination of its citizens on British soil just weeks before a Russian presidential election and, quite bizarrely, as with Litvinenko years previously, opted to use poison once again whilst knowing full well that that method would arouse the suspicion of their involvement and with it the pretext for the controlled media to espouse miles of anti-Russian propaganda.

It's essential for those who cling to the fantasy to convince themselves that although Russian spooks and Vlad are indeed devious and sinister they are remarkably stupid as well, for if they fail to apply that reasoning they will have to wonder why, as an example, bullets weren't used to murder them.

Months later, all other Cyril's must studiously not question why the camera shy and uncommunicative father and daughter haven't had the good grace to publicly thank all those medical staff and others for saving their lives and are seemingly every bit as determined not to contact any friends or family members to reassure them that they are content with their circumstances.

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Not sure it's my adherence to government or corporate media fairy tales as my disbelief in the coherence of the fantastical alternatives such as they are. Your it's either a complete hoax with signed up cops and NHS workers in rural Wiltshire or some ill-defined botched assassination by some Bourne hunting out of control set of western spooks being a case in point.

Apply some logic to your thinking. Speculate upon why we must assume they want no contact with anyone. It's difficult to theorise that they lack the mental capacity to consent. You keep failing to address these points.

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Not sure it's my adherence to government or corporate media fairy tales as my disbelief in the coherence of the fantastical alternatives such as they are. Your it's either a complete hoax with signed up cops and NHS workers in rural Wiltshire or some ill-defined botched assassination by some Bourne hunting out of control set of western spooks being a case in point.

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Fair play, you were right about Trump. They weren't actually spying on him, they just positioned a few friendly informers around him to keep an eye on his wellbeing. There was me thinking they were trying to harm him and destroy his presidency, when they were actually protecting him. Thank you Cyril, Washington Post and New York Times for putting me straight on this matter :thumbup: