Why don’t you tell us why you think brexit is a good idea? Why did you vote for it?Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
10 pages now and still not one sensible answer.
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Why don’t you tell us why you think brexit is a good idea? Why did you vote for it?Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
10 pages now and still not one sensible answer.
An angry remainer ?Quote:
Originally Posted by rudy gestede
I don’t know if people don’t understand what no deal means or if they’re being wilfully ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
No deal cannot be taken off the table, if we reach the brexit date with nothing agreed we get no deal. Especially as May has said she won’t revoke article 50. No deal cannot be taken off the table without article 50 being revoked.
It’s an issue worth being angry about. Yet again the working classes are going to suffer due to the arrogance of the elites in the Tory party who are more interested in party politics than the interests of the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Fair enough if you can sit back and not care about it. The majority of every country are happy to sit back because they think something won’t affect them.
Since time began, the silent majority have sat back and done nothing. It ain’t gonna change now.Quote:
Originally Posted by rudy gestede
She's such a dumbassQuote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Oh, this is going to be a fun afternoon. You can sign any name you want to the Revoke Article 50 petition and use the same email address repeatedly. Let the games begin! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RemoanerMcRemoanface?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5E tfw">#RemoanerMcRemoanface</a> <a href="https://t.co/WMWKExiBUy">pic.twitter.com/WMWKExiBUy</a></p>— Julia Hartley-Brewer (@JuliaHB1) <a href="https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1109087647706873857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 22, 2019</a></blockquote>
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And since time began the lives of the silent majority have been improved by the angry minority who were willing to fight for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
She ignored everyone telling her the signitures don’t count until you click the verification link that you can only do once per email.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
She’s probably one of the stupidest and most despicable people in the media.
Can’t agree with that statement. Since time began, the majority of human beings all over the world have been peace loving people, but the angry minority have always been able to drag them into unnecessary conflicts.Quote:
Originally Posted by rudy gestede
It's now up to 35 million signatories, or am I just dreaming :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenith
It's not "My Whole arguement" I was just responding to other posters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
I really don't give a toss, whatever happens we will survive. As I mentioned in my first post, I was a remainer but now we have voted to get out the politicians should do it and not try to cock everything up, whatever the benefits or downside.
If they force us to go begging to cancel the Article 50 the EU will trample all over us for years to come, knowing they can shovel any shit they like on us because we are too week to argue. You can just imagine it every time we disagree with a proposal, some fench twat saying, "well if you don't like it you can always leave haha haha"
no thanks.
It is still on the table because it is law. A debate and vote in parliament cannot change the law just like that.They will have to enact a new act of parliament to change that. Even if we do nothing then on the day decided we will cease to be as member of the EU. no ifs or buts. So they need to move fast to change the law!Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
I think you’re confusing the angry minority who’ve fought for citizens rights to the elites who’ve caused wars and conflicts.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
All the rights you have, have been gained by this minority who were willing to fight for what they believed in.
Jesus ChristQuote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
I think it is Corbyn who is more interested in party politics, even when he met all the opposition party leaders last week one of them said he wasn't trying to reach a consensus and didn't listen to anything, he just kept plugging the labour party dealQuote:
Originally Posted by rudy gestede
Yeah, like an EU army, mandatory single currency, and no more opt-outs.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
It's true whether you like it or not!Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
We don’t need to beg to revoke article 50 that’s still entirely up to the U.K. The EU cannot reject that.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
I don’t think you understand how the voting works if you think the EU will be able to trample over us. It’s the same as people worrying about an EU army, you only need one country to vote against it, nothing can be forced on us.
It’s the same as why any sane person knew turkey wouldn’t be joining.
Well I don't think it's because of the law. It's just that is the nature of having a deal or not. I'm not sure what law you're referring to.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
But my point, as per dml's post, was that just because parliament have voted on something, it doesn't mean that it's blocked off. If people don't like something parliament have done, they've every right to protest.
You don’t understand how EU voting works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
What are you even talking about here? You’ve either completely missed the point or you’re stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Your quite a feisty character aren’t you. Throwing the insults around. Another keyboard warrior?Quote:
Originally Posted by rudy gestede
you seem to take pleasure in assuming people are stupid or don't understand mainly because they don't agree with your point of view. I already told you I don't give a toos, and you consinually going on about "1 benefit" won't change anybody's mind. you may as well give up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
If you go around making people think you’re ignorant don’t be surprised when someone calls you out on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
You keep posting things that aren’t true though, if we are discussing it and you’re presenting facts that are incorrect am I not allowed to point them out.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind, I don’t care about changing your mind. I’m just happy to keep pointing out the congnitive dissonance of the people who are desperate for something to happen despite not being able to present one argument in its favour that isn’t false.
I’m not assuming you’re stupid at all. I don’t think anyone who voted either way is stupid. I think a lot of people were taken in by very good propaganda and it shows as the same propaganda is being brought up in here. There’s no shame in that though, I’ve been taken in by propaganda many times as have the majority of human beings throughout history.
It is law. Article 50 was enshrined in law when parliament voted for it. There will need to be another act of parliament to change the law.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
That means several stages in the house of commons, committee stages and so on, plus I think 2 sessions in the lords. so they better get a move on.
I'm not stating anything thast is incorrect, most of what I say is just my opinion, no one is going to change their vote on what I say, nor on what you say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Now I agree with Mr Morgan, this thread is going nowhere but should go to the political forum where it can be debated for ever without result just the same as parliament is doing.
Have a lovely weekend.
On a keyboard?😂Quote:
Originally Posted by rudy gestede
You’d probably shit yellow face to face.
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Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Opinions can be wrong and this is wrong.Quote:
If they force us to go begging to cancel the Article 50 the EU will trample all over us for years to come
Revoking article 50 is up to the U.K. and the U.K. alone because our parliament is sovereign.
The EU wouldn’t be able to trample over us because our country would have the same rights as every other country and each country has the same power. Hence why there would never be an EU army and why Turkey will never be a member state of the EU.
But no deal is not part of the law, and article 50 isn't something the UK parliament can change.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Why because the only way you can react to someone debating with you and proving you wrong or calling you out on a stupid opinio is to act threatening and violently? That says more about you than me mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
The UK parliament is the only organisation that CAN change article 50, or at least revoke it.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
No deal is a natural consequence of reaching 29 Mar without a deal. On that date we automatically leave the EU whether we want to or not, and whether the EU want us to or not - - - - unless an act of parliament is passed to revoke article 50.
A new act of parliament is the only thing that can prevent it. If it is stopped any other way it will be illegal as far as I iunderstand it.
all these people voting for this petition is all very well and it looks impressive because naturally only people who agree with it vote.
All the people who want to leaver cannot vote to cancel out one of the stay votes so no matter how many people vote on the petition it means absolutely nowt.
All the people not voting are the people who in a referendum should be those who wish to ,maintain the status quo. They should have been counted as remain in the referendum but weren't because Blair changed the rules to suit himself and Cameron kept them.
I’ve not mentioned violence. You’re the one throwing the insults around on here. You’ve not proven me or anybody else “wrong”.Quote:
Originally Posted by rudy gestede
It’s just opinions. My point, was about the silent majority from any country, in any given era, just standing back and letting things happen.
You are just angry because you want to remain in Europe, and the vote has gone against that.
It’s not the Tories who voted to leave, it was the general public.
I’m angry because a country that’s suffering under austerity, that only had a financial crisis less than 10 years ago, that has its highest ever level of employment poverty, children living in starvation conditions and food bank usage is heading towards an even worse economy because of a vote that was only called because of Tory party infighting and to steal the UKIP vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
It won’t affect me, I’ve got a great job and dual citizenship. It’s the working class yet again that will suffer. And not one person here who’s for it has even presented a reason why.
Why did you vote to leave mate?Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
There’s nothing to stop people who want to leave with a no deal starting a petition though.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
There’s a pro leave and pro remain march today. There’s nothing stopping anyone getting their voice heard if they think the cause is worth it.
The word democracy crops up frequently, was the 2016 referendum democratic though?
I voted to leave, because i don’t believe there is any need for a European Union. It’s just another huge conglomerate that was solely devised, imo, as another “jobs for the boys” set up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
My decision had nothing to do with any immigration policy, which gets aimed at leave voters regularly.
We didn’t get the chance to vote on the decision to join the original “common market”, we were just hoodwinked in in the early 70’s with the premise of inner circle trade deals.
Since then it has slowly grown arms and legs, collecting new member countries who are all up to their eyes in debt, with no foreseeable way of paying any of it off.
I’m a firm believer that countries should stand on their own 2 feet, and do their best to grow their own economy, and spread the wealth amongst all its citizens. ( a pipe dream really) but that’s how it should be.
I feel the EU is a corrupt organisation. That fact that it’s proving so difficult to leave, proves that point. If a member country like the UK voted to leave, then it should be a simple process, with no veiled threats and no hidden agendas. No “deals” should be needed.
That’s just my thoughts and reasons as to why I voted to leave. Many on here will disagree and pick holes in my opinions, but we are all different and all have a different outlook on things.
I guess you'd vote for Welsh Independence and removal of the extra taxation Wales gets from the UK and the large chunks of dosh the EU sends our way, then.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder