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Originally Posted by
blue lewj
You can move on now. You really can.
You're not making any sense, but then as you apparently believes the term 'gammon' is racist, there's a definite pattern.
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Re: Aeroplane Over The Etihad
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
You're not making any sense, but then as you apparently believes the term 'gammon' is racist, there's a definite pattern.
:hehe:
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Coming from someone who's attempting to link the Reading incident with the Black Lives Matter movement, I'll take that a compliment.
Come on John, let's try to keep it sensible. The issue is difficult enough to discuss as it is without making ludicrous links to terrorism.
Isis (or those in their name) have killed thousands of Muslims, especially shias. They don't discriminate on who they kill.
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Re: Aeroplane Over The Etihad
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Coming from someone who's attempting to link the Reading incident with the Black Lives Matter movement, I'll take that a compliment.
Come on John, let's try to keep it sensible. The issue is difficult enough to discuss as it is without making ludicrous links to terrorism.
It’s all to do with the response, in press, with public. Surely you can see the link.
Those mourning in Reading are feeling no less pain than George Floyd family. Both atrocities, one unacceptable, one tolerated
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
It’s all to do with the response, in press, with public. Surely you can see the link.
Those mourning in Reading are feeling no less pain than George Floyd family. Both atrocities, one unacceptable, one tolerated.
One tolerated? Seriously, what on earth are you talking about?
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
It’s all to do with the response, in press, with public. Surely you can see the link.
Those mourning in Reading are feeling no less pain than George Floyd family. Both atrocities, one unacceptable, one tolerated
What the f**k are you on about?
This thread is absolutely staggering and quite depressing. So many strawmen being used because some posters can't bring themselves to say they don't really give a shit about the suffering of black people.
"All lives matter!"
"BLM should be against all racism!"
"People can be racist against white people too!"
"The terrorist attack in Reading shows white people get killed too!"
"I've never seen a black person (or anyone) getting stopped and searched!"
All complete f**king nonsense in the context of trying to end the systemic racism against black people.
If you oppose racism (like you are obviously trying hard to pretend that you do) then you would be supporting a cause that is trying to eradicate one form of it.
If you wish to support other causes too, no-one is stopping you. There are plenty of anti-racism groups you can support as well (if 'All Lives Matter' is really so important to you).
Either you think Black lives matter or you don't, it's that f**king simple. There's no other connotations for the movement... they just want to show that black people matter. If you oppose that concept, then be honest with yourself about it and consider why you don't want to admit it to others, eh?
Edit: only the initial sentence was aimed at lisvaneblue specifically. The rest was aimed at those who recognise that it's aimed at them.
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Re: Aeroplane Over The Etihad
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
It’s all to do with the response, in press, with public. Surely you can see the link.
Those mourning in Reading are feeling no less pain than George Floyd family. Both atrocities, one unacceptable, one tolerated
Are you basing it on race though-it is important within this debate. I don't know anything about the person who killed those poor people in reading, but if it was based on islamic terrorism then the attack would've have not just been on those three people but also the perceived christian values of the UK. Race doesn't come into it as Isis and Boko Harem's death count of different nationalities, skin colour and ethnicities will testify too.
Also, who tolerated the reading deaths? Foreign policy certainly doesn't reflect that, does it? All of the murders were horrendous, but for different reasons in my opinion. That distinction has to be made.
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
Depressing but also shocking. I don't know whether attitudes have regressed over the past 5 years (with the Brexit campaign as a trigger) or if the change in political culture and pervasiveness of social media has taken the lid off what was hiding before.
The massive positive is the way the BLM camapign has grown - and it feels in some places that a tipping point has passed. The stance of English and Welsh clubs - the NHS/BLM support on the shirts, giving the knee etc - may have much more of an impact than the demonstrations and removals of slaver-related symbols.
But politics has polarised everywhere (led by what has happened in the USA), in some places society has polarised, and there is no doubt that opinions on this board have polarised. Depressing.
If you and Hilts, and many others on here find it depressing that there are other non racists who support the BLM movement but want to question certain aspects, then that’s a problem you'll have to learn to live
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
What the f**k are you on about?
This thread is absolutely staggering and quite depressing. So many strawmen being used because some posters can't bring themselves to say they don't really give a shit about the suffering of black people.
"All lives matter!"
"BLM should be against all racism!"
"People can be racist against white people too!"
"The terrorist attack in Reading shows white people get killed too!"
"I've never seen a black person (or anyone) getting stopped and searched!"
All complete f**king nonsense in the context of trying to end the systemic racism against black people.
If you oppose racism (like you are obviously trying hard to pretend that you do) then you would be supporting a cause that is trying to eradicate one form of it.
If you wish to support other causes too, no-one is stopping you. There are plenty of anti-racism groups you can support as well (if 'All Lives Matter' is really) so important to you.
Either you think Black lives matter or you don't, it's that f**king simple. There's no other connotations for the movement... they just want to show that black people matter. If you oppose that concept, then be honest with yourself about it and consider why you don't want to admit it to others, eh?
Edit: only the initial sentence was aimed at lisvaneblue specifically. The rest was aimed at those who recognise that it's aimed at them.
Thick as **** some of these. Just because people aren't shouting racist abuse in the street then it obviously isn't happening. This thread is a cluster.
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Re: Aeroplane Over The Etihad
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
What the f**k are you on about?
This thread is absolutely staggering and quite depressing. So many strawmen being used because some posters can't bring themselves to say they don't really give a shit about the suffering of black people.
"All lives matter!"
"BLM should be against all racism!"
"People can be racist against white people too!"
"The terrorist attack in Reading shows white people get killed too!"
"I've never seen a black person (or anyone) getting stopped and searched!"
All complete f**king nonsense in the context of trying to end the systemic racism against black people.
If you oppose racism (like you are obviously trying hard to pretend that you do) then you would be supporting a cause that is trying to eradicate one form of it.
If you wish to support other causes too, no-one is stopping you. There are plenty of anti-racism groups you can support as well (if 'All Lives Matter' is really so important to you).
Either you think Black lives matter or you don't, it's that f**king simple. There's no other connotations for the movement... they just want to show that black people matter. If you oppose that concept, then be honest with yourself about it and consider why you don't want to admit it to others, eh?
Edit: only the initial sentence was aimed at lisvaneblue specifically. The rest was aimed at those who recognise that it's aimed at them.
I’ve already told you thank I do not see colour in people. I’m from am immigrant family, my grandad coming to Wales in the 1900s
Trouble with you is that you can’t see the wood for the trees.
Whether you really care about BLMwho knows, whether you have done anything concrete to assist it who knows, but I get the feeling all you want to do is shout about it until the next topic comes up, then you’ll be on that bandwagon
And by the way my family have suffered abuse as well. My dad had to change the family name because he couldn’t get a look in for a job post war because he had a Greek name. I had plenty in school too, so don’t start telling me that I don’t understand the situation
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
I’ve already told you thank I do not see colour in people. I’m from am immigrant family, my grandad coming to Wales in the 1900s
Trouble with you is that you can’t see the wood for the trees.
Whether you really care about BLMwho knows, whether you have done anything concrete to assist it who knows, but I get the feeling all you want to do is shout about it until the next topic comes up, then you’ll be on that bandwagon
You don't see colour in people? Why are you contesting the reading murders then?
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
I’ve already told you thank I do not see colour in people. I’m from am immigrant family, my grandad coming to Wales in the 1900s
Trouble with you is that you can’t see the wood for the trees.
Whether you really care about BLMwho knows, whether you have done anything concrete to assist it who knows, but I get the feeling all you want to do is shout about it until the next topic comes up, then you’ll be on that bandwagon
And by the way my family have suffered abuse as well. My dad had to change the family name because he couldn’t get a look in for a job post war because he had a Greek name. I had plenty in school too, so don’t start telling me that I don’t understand the situation
Absolutely none of that is relevant.
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Re: Aeroplane Over The Etihad
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
You're not making any sense, but then as you apparently believes the term 'gammon' is racist, there's a definite pattern.
Gammon refers to a Middle Aged white male. It is a slur that specifically refers to a race. Whether you find it offensive or not is subjective but how is it not a racist term?
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Originally Posted by
WJ99mobile
Gammon refers to a Middle Aged white male. It is a slur that specifically refers to a race. Whether you find it offensive or not is subjective but how is it not a racist term?
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...e-conversation
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Absolutely none of that is relevant.
Y
So what have you done to support BLM other than go on about it. Have you donated, been to protests, written to your MS or MP
Don’t hide your light under a bushel, go on tell us
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Originally Posted by
WJ99mobile
Gammon refers to a Middle Aged white male. It is a slur that specifically refers to a race. Whether you find it offensive or not is subjective but how is it not a racist term?
OK.
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Originally Posted by
WJ99mobile
Gammon refers to a Middle Aged white male. It is a slur that specifically refers to a race. Whether you find it offensive or not is subjective but how is it not a racist term?
I think it is comparable with the terms...Uncle Tom, Coconut or Oreo in as much as it’s a term usually used by people of the same race to denigrate others that they don’t like or share the same philosophies.
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
Y
So what have you done to support BLM other than go on about it. Have you donated, been to protests, written to your MS or MP
Don’t hide your light under a bushel, go on tell us
"Go on about it" is support though, isn't it? It's vocal support. Having to constantly defend their right to protest (or even exist) from the likes of you is supporting their cause.
I've also made a small donation to BLM but I didn't think I'd ever need to declare that irrelevant point on here... Maybe I will start every post in future with whether I have donated to a cause I appreciate, just in case I get questioned by you later on.
Is that ok with you? Or do I have to meet all of your criteria to "support" BLM?
Now we're hopefully done with questioning my "going on" about BLM... Would you like to make at least one relevant point about BLM or keep going off on tangents until people get bored of replying to you?
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
ah, so it's in the guardian - must be true.
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Originally Posted by
Toadstool
ah, so it's in the guardian - must be true.
Jesus Christ... It's an opinion piece that explains the origin of the use of "gammon" and why there are no racial connotations attached to it. It's a political slur, not a racial one.
Feel free to disagree with the author and his explanation all you want... but just saying "ah, so it's in the guardian - must be true" makes you look a bit like the gammon that has been mentioned, doesn't it?!
I assume that you appreciate irony?
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
Your lucky that you dont see colour??
Your earlier post you mentioned not seeing any white faces for a few hours apart from staff and how uneasy you were.
Its a nice day go out in the car to Brecon and buy some meat.
This post has been overlooked. Spot on.
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Originally Posted by
StraightOuttaCanton
Imagine a see-saw down on one side. If you add weight equally, it never moves: it stays unbalanced. If you want it to move (into balance), you have to put more weight on one side. That’s why the expression is BLACK lives matter: just saying ALL lives matter doesn’t shift a thing
Very well put if I may say so; even a 4 year old could see that clearly. However, the problem is that so many extremists in our midst refuse to see the truth while all the time pretending they're not racist. If everyone 100% supported the BLM movement and campaign this problem would very quickly be consigned to history and to the folklore of knuckledraggers.
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
"Go on about it" is support though, isn't it? It's vocal support. Having to constantly defend their right to protest (or even exist) from the likes of you is supporting their cause.
I've also made a small donation to BLM but I didn't think I'd ever need to declare that irrelevant point on here... Maybe I will start every post in future with whether I have donated to a cause I appreciate, just in case I get questioned by you later on.
Is that ok with you? Or do I have to meet all of your criteria to "support" BLM?
Now we're hopefully done with questioning my "going on" about BLM... Would you like to make at least one relevant point about BLM or keep going off on tangents until people get bored of replying to you?
I bet 6 weeks ago you hadn’t even thought about the subject
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
I bet 6 weeks ago you hadn’t even thought about the subject
"Shit. I can't argue with what he said so I'll try a new approach... YoU dIdN't EvEn CaRe UnTiL rEcEnTlY!!!!"
Which, even if it was remotely true (it isn't), it would show how well the BLM movement has worked to reach people to educate them and gain support for their cause... Which is the entire f**king point of it, you idiot :hehe:
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He's been sacked
'Burnley fan sacked over offensive banner'
http://www.skysports.com/share/12014029
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Originally Posted by
Wash DC Blue
I think it is comparable with the terms...Uncle Tom, Coconut or Oreo in as much as it’s a term usually used by people of the same race to denigrate others that they don’t like or share the same philosophies.
Correct. It's 100% racist and meant to be.
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
"Shit. I can't argue with what he said so I'll try a new approach... YoU dIdN't EvEn CaRe UnTiL rEcEnTlY!!!!"
Which, even if it was remotely true (it isn't), it would show how well the BLM movement has worked to reach people to educate them and gain support for their cause... Which is the entire f**king point of it, you idiot :hehe:
Strap lines mean nothing unless it leads to long term change, and I suspect that in 12 months we’ll be back to square one, sad to say
No need to send personal abuse, indicative of lack of vocabulary
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
What link?
You obviously do but are being obtuse
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Jesus Christ... It's an opinion piece that explains the origin of the use of "gammon" and why there are no racial connotations attached to it. It's a political slur, not a racial one.
Feel free to disagree with the author and his explanation all you want... but just saying "ah, so it's in the guardian - must be true" makes you look a bit like the gammon that has been mentioned, doesn't it?!
I assume that you appreciate irony?
If it was a political one it wouldn’t mention the race of the person.
How Owen Jones wishes to appropriate or justify the use the word is up to him but it is clearly a racially loaded word.
Does it bother me? Not at all as I haven’t had 400 years of oppression to deal with.
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
Always going to happen but possible opportunity for unfair dismissal?
The banner could be so subjective in a court of law
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
Strap lines mean nothing unless it leads to long term change, and I suspect that in 12 months we’ll be back to square one, sad to say
No need to send personal abuse, indicative of lack of vocabulary
So not point even bothering, eh? Stick to the status quo and let black people remain as second class citizens because lisvaneblue says nothing will change.
What if I had used a wide vocabulary to call you something synonymous with being an idiot though?
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Originally Posted by
WJ99mobile
Always going to happen but possible opportunity for unfair dismissal?
The banner could be so subjective in a court of law
I've no idea how it works over here, but they seem to be sacking people in the US like it's going out of fashion for social media posts etc. Maybe without all the media surrounding the bigger issue this fella keeps his job, rightly or wrongly. Probably the new normal now to see things like this happening.
There's a post on Reddit where someone has joined a group, something like white lives matter, and taken screenshots to send to people's employers basically saying "I'm getting you sacked for being racist"
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Originally Posted by
WJ99mobile
If it was a political one it wouldn’t mention the race of the person.
How Owen Jones wishes to appropriate or justify the use the word is up to him but it is clearly a racially loaded word.
Does it bother me? Not at all as I haven’t had 400 years of oppression to deal with.
Explain what the connotations of "gammon" are again that makes it "racially loaded"... just for clarity.
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
So not point even bothering, eh? Stick to the status quo and let black people remain as second class citizens because lisvaneblue says nothing will change.
What if I had used a wide vocabulary to call you something synonymous with being an idiot though?
Just tuning in to an on line concert where the profits are going to an educational project for Black youths. Starts 7.15 goodnight
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
You obviously do but are being obtuse
Apologies, I misunderstood your comment. When you said see the link I thought you were referring to a website link you’d posted and I’d somehow missed.
I honestly don’t understand the post concerned. It makes no sense to me.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Not interested in the rest of your post but veg1960 has posted a link to a survey that shows police are nearly 7 times more likely to stop a black man than at white man in south wales
Of course as you are white and you have never seen the police stop a black man randomly and if they have they obviously had a reason then ignore the survey
I haven't seen the survey and I wouldn't generally go looking for it. I said I have never seen it. you can gob off all you like and get on your pseudo-political high horse but it won't alter the fact. I have never seen it!! what is difficult to grasp about that sludge?
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
Asking a lady to put her dog on a lead? Google Amy Cooper and see what she did. She could have easily got Christian Copper killed.
He is not a parks warden, it was not his job to police the park, morally he shouldn't jump out of the bushes and confront a lone female and then go onto say that he is going to do something that she is not going to like and not directly answering when she asked what that was and then he started pulling dog food out of his pocket to entice her dog, he did not have a dog yet he was walking around with dog food in his pocket, no doubt waiting for this type of opportunity, I did some digging and read about his background, what he did was not cricket, I don't blame her for calling the police, some people are nuts in America and perhaps this Canadian women thought this, he no doubt frightened her with his creepy behaviour.
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Originally Posted by
Trigger
****ing hell. What's boris doing reducing it to 1m then, needs to be lockdown in case people go around accidentally stabbing each other.
Exactly. will they add the deaths to the virus tall?
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If that Burnley fan has been sacked I wonder on what grounds ?
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Explain what the connotations of "gammon" are again that makes it "racially loaded"... just for clarity.
Lifted from Wiki
“Gammon is a pejorative popularised in British political culture since around 2012. In 2018, it became particularly known as a term to describe middle-aged white men, either on the political right or who supported Brexit”
You have to be white for this to apply. A racial profile. You cannot call another race gammon by this definition. It’s obviously racist.
Same as you can’t call white men any of the slurs or insults attributed to specific other races.
Whether it’s racial or not can’t in my opinion be argued. Whether it’s offensive, warranted, or reasonable to use as it could incite hate is totally separate.
