FT: WALES 0 - 2 IRAN. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Simon Davey being interviewed outside the ground as a fan witn his Welsh shirt on. Barnsley manager in our FA Cup semi final.

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I marked him in a reserve game against the jacks in 1989. I was only 16 and i thought 'Oh ****' as it happens,he was in the reserves because he had refused to sign a new contract so was in dispute with the club. He didn't try an inch, didn't run, cross or tackle. He was telling me this whlie we were playing. ****ing bonus day off :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I marked him in a reserve game against the jacks in 1989. I was only 16 and i thought 'Oh ****' as it happens,he was in the reserves because he had refused to sign a new contract so was in dispute with the club. He didn't try an inch, didn't run, cross or tackle. He was telling me this whlie we were playing. ****ing bonus day off :hehe:

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😂

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Kevin Campbell?

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He was an Arsenal legend to be fair. Not so much for Cardiff though...almost 10 years after he finished playing for them (The Gunners, not the Bluebirds!)

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

He was an Arsenal legend to be fair. Not so much for Cardiff though...almost 10 years after he finished playing for them.

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His legs were gone. I have a mate who played with him at Forest and he says that he was a lovely bloke, couldn't do enough for you. He also had Versace wallpaper in his house....:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

His legs were gone. I have a mate who played with him at Forest and he says that he was a lovely bloke, couldn't do enough for you. He also had Versace wallpaper in his house....:hehe:

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It was indeed super kev

He was still in good shape when he came to us

But had forgotten how to run and kick and head a ball

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

His legs were gone. I have a mate who played with him at Forest and he says that he was a lovely bloke, couldn't do enough for you. He also had Versace wallpaper in his house....:hehe:

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....clearly he was trying to paper over the cracks...:getscoat:

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

It was indeed super kev

He was still in good shape when he came to us

But had forgotten how to run and kick and head a ball

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

They're both finished in my opinion. I can't feel pissed off at either Bale or Ramsey though.

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Agreed. They’ve gone on as far as they could and they’ve dragged us kicking and screaming to 3 major tournaments.

Gutted as I am after this morning's performance, Bale and Rambo carried this team for a decade. Bale is the best player ever to put on a Welsh shirt. They deserved this World Cup and I don't begrudge them anything. Time for a change though.

dreadful performance from all players...Iran deserved to win and it was humiliating to lose in such a fashion

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Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK

dreadful performance from all players...Iran deserved to win and it was humiliating to lose in such a fashion

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No shit. You think the FAW, the management and the players think that was OK?

I'm beginning to think you're not that ITK.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

No shit. You think the FAW, the management and the players think that was OK?

I'm beginning to think you're not that ITK.

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I get you are pissed off, no need to take it out on my me.
Plenty of people have aired their opinions i'm entitled to mine.

I hope the players are feeling awful and are ashamed of the effort they put in.Iran played their socks off.

Have a nice evening/day/afternoon

Effort was pretty far down the list of things that were wrong today, if you think the players weren't trying at their first World Cup don't know what to tell you.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Gutted as I am after this morning's performance, Bale and Rambo carried this team for a decade. Bale is the best player ever to put on a Welsh shirt. They deserved this World Cup and I don't begrudge them anything. Time for a change though.

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I'd agree with that. Also, we're gutted about a poor performance IN the world cup, rather than a poor performance on the way to not qualifying for the world cup, having also played in the last 2 Euros, due in no small measure to those two.

The pair of them are physically shagged, just look how many games they had played by the time they were Colwell age. In horse racing very few good 2-year-olds continue to be top older horses.

This wasn't about effort, it was the brain writing cheques the legs couldn't cash. Think the same happened to the greatest ever player (Maradona) but he sort chemical help.

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Originally Posted by llan bluebird

The pair of them are physically shagged, just look how many games they had played by the time they were Colwell age. In horse racing very few good 2-year-olds continue to be top older horses.

This wasn't about effort, it was the brain writing cheques the legs couldn't cash. Think the same happened to the greatest ever player (Maradona) but he sort chemical help.

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Good post :thumbup:

Have you never heard of someone called John Charles ? Bale is not fit to clean his boots.

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Originally Posted by llan bluebird

The pair of them are physically shagged, just look how many games they had played by the time they were Colwell age. In horse racing very few good 2-year-olds continue to be top older horses.

This wasn't about effort, it was the brain writing cheques the legs couldn't cash. Think the same happened to the greatest ever player (Maradona) but he sort chemical help.

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I follow horse racing as much as football. No idea what your going on to.😂

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Originally Posted by Ivortheengine

Have you never heard of someone called John Charles ? Bale is not fit to clean his boots.

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Really? What did he achieve?

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Originally Posted by goats

Really? What did he achieve?

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are you real

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Originally Posted by llan bluebird

The pair of them are physically shagged, just look how many games they had played by the time they were Colwell age. In horse racing very few good 2-year-olds continue to be top older horses.

This wasn't about effort, it was the brain writing cheques the legs couldn't cash. Think the same happened to the greatest ever player (Maradona) but he sort chemical help.

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Yeh, agreed. They've had so many miles on the clock, they're burnt out. Same as Rooney. Ronaldo and Messi are freaks and even they're done now.

One of the most disappointing days ever. There have been many others that were more gutting for other reasons. But that was just crap. And sad. Our "golden era" is over.

The dying of the light?

Wales over run in the middle of the park again as Bale and Ramsey fade out continues.

https://mauveandyellowarmy.net/

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

The dying of the light?

Wales over run in the middle of the park again as Bale and Ramsey fade out continues.

https://mauveandyellowarmy.net/

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I can't get my head around why two internationally -reknowned footballers aged 31 and 33, could be so completely anonymous against average opponents for 90 minutes. When you're legs are going, you're off the pace, yes, the game is a struggle. But neither Bale or Ramsey could said to 'struggling' yesterday, they looked completely frozen.

Which brings me to my point. Yesterday was also a very sad day for all the players, many - maybe all - who may never go to another World Cup. As fellow professional footballers I wonder what their private thoughts might be. I think Bale, Ramsey, even Joe Allen possibly, have been nailed on to play whatever the circumstances, injury permitting - not to have played Bale or Ramsey for say, 45 minutes, would have been almost sacrilege to the 'together stronger' concept, and the media hype around Bale especially. But sadly, I don't think it was ever going to happen. In normal circumstances Bale and/or Ramsey would have been subbed at the latest by half time, but Page neither commands the authority, has the confidence, or probably both, to do that.

When all's said and done, this is a professional game being played at top level, but sentiment won the day.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

I can't get my head around why two internationally -reknowned footballers aged 31 and 33, could be so completely anonymous against average opponents for 90 minutes. When you're legs are going, you're off the pace, yes, the game is a struggle. But neither Bale or Ramsey could said to 'struggling' yesterday, they looked completely frozen.

Which brings me to my point. Yesterday was also a very sad day for all the players, many - maybe all - who may never go to another World Cup. As fellow professional footballers I wonder what their private thoughts might be. I think Bale, Ramsey, even Joe Allen possibly, have been nailed on to play whatever the circumstances, injury permitting - not to have played Bale or Ramsey for say, 45 minutes, would have been almost sacrilege to the 'together stronger' concept, and the media hype around Bale especially. But sadly, I don't think it was ever going to happen. In normal circumstances Bale and/or Ramsey would have been subbed at the latest by half time, but Page neither commands the authority, has the confidence, or probably both, to do that.

When all's said and done, this is a professional game being played at top level, but sentiment won the day.

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Apparently, Ramsey ran further than any other Welsh player against the USA, so the issue doesn't seem to be one of stamina for him, so maybe it more to do with a lack of dynamism - I'd say the same applies to Bale and a few other younger players in the squad. It'll e interesting to see if Page starts with Bale and Ramsey on Tuesday because it would be easy to think that the challenge of facing England would get a performance out of them, but the challenge of playing in a World Cup hasn't done so yet, so what's going to be different about Tuesday? Bale and Ramsey didn't do enough to merit staying on the pitch as long as they did and, if Page is going to see out the new contract he's signed, he has to make a decision on those two sooner rather than later - I'd still say Bale and Ramsey should have it in them to give us forty five good minutes from the start or make an impact if given half an hour off the bench, but it's not as if they've faded out of the two games so far, they've not really ever got started.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Apparently, Ramsey ran further than any other Welsh player against the USA, so the issue doesn't seem to be one of stamina for him, so maybe it more to do with a lack of dynamism -.

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I posted that, it's all in the stat's

he also ran furtherest V Iran , 22.84 Km

he also made the most "sprints" = 135

most " offers to receive" 185

So it wasnt due to lack of effort from Rambo

Yeah to describe Ramsey as anonymous is rubbish. He played badly. Yeah. Anonymous no.

Bale anonymous yes.

Would Wales have been any better, if Giggs was still in charge? Would he, have had the balls to either drop Bale and Ramsay or take them off ? Is he more tactically adept than Rob Page ? Giggs is the only player, who has had more success than Bale.

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Originally Posted by blue matt

I posted that, it's all in the stat's

he also ran furtherest V Iran , 22.84 Km

he also made the most "sprints" = 135

most " offers to receive" 185

So it wasnt due to lack of effort from Rambo

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Ramsey turned in one of his classic performances when things aren't going his way where he tries too hard to get involved and ends up making things worse

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

I can't get my head around why two internationally -reknowned footballers aged 31 and 33, could be so completely anonymous against average opponents for 90 minutes. When you're legs are going, you're off the pace, yes, the game is a struggle. But neither Bale or Ramsey could said to 'struggling' yesterday, they looked completely frozen.

Which brings me to my point. Yesterday was also a very sad day for all the players, many - maybe all - who may never go to another World Cup. As fellow professional footballers I wonder what their private thoughts might be. I think Bale, Ramsey, even Joe Allen possibly, have been nailed on to play whatever the circumstances, injury permitting - not to have played Bale or Ramsey for say, 45 minutes, would have been almost sacrilege to the 'together stronger' concept, and the media hype around Bale especially. But sadly, I don't think it was ever going to happen. In normal circumstances Bale and/or Ramsey would have been subbed at the latest by half time, but Page neither commands the authority, has the confidence, or probably both, to do that.

When all's said and done, this is a professional game being played at top level, but sentiment won the day.

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It has nothing to do with sentiment. Bale stays on because he can still do things other players can't. It's a close game and we get a free kick 25 yards out, who do you want to take it?

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Originally Posted by City123

Ramsey turned in one of his classic performances when things aren't going his way where he tries too hard to get involved and ends up making things worse

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He definitely has form for this.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

It has nothing to do with sentiment. Bale stays on because he can still do things other players can't. It's a close game and we get a free kick 25 yards out, who do you want to take it?

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But its really sad when thats all we can expect from one of our greatest players.

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Originally Posted by blue matt

I posted that, it's all in the stat's

he also ran furtherest V Iran , 22.84 Km

he also made the most "sprints" = 135

most " offers to receive" 185

So it wasnt due to lack of effort from Rambo

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He had a lot of catching up to do, Iran were all over us.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

But its really sad when thats all we can expect from one of our greatest players.

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I think it's unfair to say that's all we can expect. He still has a lot to his game. I was just using that as an example.

I didn’t expect us to get out of the group but I didn’t think so many would go missing.