FT: LEEDS UNITED 5 - 2 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

LOL

1. They are different positions

2. When Robinson was Colwills age he had an unsuccessful loan spell at Bristol City

3. To compare a 27 year old senior pro with a 20 year old just breaking through is utterly laughable

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For all the praise of Colwill and talk of him being this great superstar, Aaron Ramsey had been at Arsenal for 2 seasons by the time he was Colwill's current age.

I'm certain every City fan wants Colwill to do well. We'd love a great player to come from within our ranks, Rambo was the last in reality. While it's true that Colwill being in a dreadful City team doesn't help Colwill, I don't see much from him when he has opportunities either.

I genuinely don't know what to make of Colwill. Undoubtedly has some talent, he's shown that previously, but something isn't right at the moment.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Abysmal..

For those fans who went,City should fund their next outing for free.. as compensation and a provide written apology..

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Bollocks

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

For all the praise of Colwill and talk of him being this great superstar, Aaron Ramsey had been at Arsenal for 2 seasons by the time he was Colwill's current age.

I'm certain every City fan wants Colwill to do well. We'd love a great player to come from within our ranks, Rambo was the last in reality. While it's true that Colwill being in a dreadful City team doesn't help Colwill, I don't see much from him when he has opportunities either.

I genuinely don't know what to make of Colwill. Undoubtedly has some talent, he's shown that previously, but something isn't right at the moment.

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You either understand football or you don’t. Eric stick to the numbers fella.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a worse set of Wales Online markings as these.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...leeds-26013777

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

You either understand football or you don’t. Eric stick to the numbers fella.

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I understand that he's not getting in the side this season and his performances when he's been there haven't warranted his inclusion. As I said, something isn't right at the moment. Perhaps you could shed some light on this, seeing as you understand football.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

LOL

1. They are different positions

2. When Robinson was Colwills age he had an unsuccessful loan spell at Bristol City

3. To compare a 27 year old senior pro with a 20 year old just breaking through is utterly laughable

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They are in different positions at the moment, yes. If you think Colwill is a winger then you're more convinced than me.

6 years ago Robinson was scoring one in four for Preston.

We will see. I've had similar arguments about players and have got some wrong and some right. Rabbi Matondo being one off the top of my head.

I don't think Colwill, who is almost 21, as the player we should without doubt be building a squad around. We will see if he breaks through and shows he is easily one of the better players. In this squad it shouldn't be hard. Robinson looks streets ahead of all of them.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Abysmal..

For those fans who went,City should fund their next outing for free.. as compensation and a provide written apology..

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They went on their own accord, probably because they enjoy it, you know, with friends, having a drink and some food etc.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

LOL

You’re making Robinson sound like prime Tomlin. He’s not even a 10 starters.

Stick to slagging off Tan you clearly haven’t got a clue about the actual football.

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That's the problem though.

In terms of producing moments of quality in comparison with Colwill he is.
He has 5 times more assists than Colwill in a third of the games he has featured in for City.

As for not having a clue, if you don't think Robinson has way much more by way of quality and final product you don't know football as much as you think you do.

One got praised tonight for not giving the ball away and touching it about 4 times. The other came on and actually scored a couple. Different levels

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

You either understand football or you don’t. Eric stick to the numbers fella.

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Come on then Mr Football Knowledge, if he has some much quality why does he only have one assist in all the games he's featured in for City?

Educate me oh knowledgeable one.

Ahh ..come on! let's not bicker and ague about who is worse than who

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a worse set of Wales Online markings as these.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...leeds-26013777

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Utter tosh. Nelson was a 6 and Robinson scored two goals so was at least a 7

If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a million times, please, please, please, NEVER PUT OJO IN A CITY SHIRT AGAIN

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a million times, please, please, please, NEVER PUT OJO IN A CITY SHIRT AGAIN

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Walesonlines man of the match.

To be fair on a shocking night I wouldnt argue.

Ojo id give a 5 or 6 tonight which probably does make him man of the match.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

I understand that he's not getting in the side this season and his performances when he's been there haven't warranted his inclusion. As I said, something isn't right at the moment. Perhaps you could shed some light on this, seeing as you understand football.

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Yes he's been injured on and off all season and isn't match fit

You can't get a cheetah to run with only 2 legs

Isaak Davies when fully fit could be our saviour this season looks the only player who will supply Robinson with enough chances to get us out of the bottom half.
O'Dowda on the otherside but not playing left back and I think possibly we could create/score enough goals.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

They went on their own accord, probably because they enjoy it, you know, with friends, having a drink and some food etc.

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Football was shit but on the way home now and it was a laugh. Ish.

Jack Simpson is one of the worst players we've had in 2 decades. Sawyers is God awful. His legs have packed up and walked off. Bagan and Sang are miles off the level required. Etete works hard but is crap. Alnwick flaps and can't kick. Nelson wasn't awful. That's about it. Oh and VAR in the stadium is a miserable experience so the main positive is that we won't have that in League One. Tonight the basics weren't done, it was embarassing. They're a truly dreadful set of players.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Yes he's been injured on and off all season and isn't match fit

You can't get a cheetah to run with only 2 legs

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So he shouldn't be playing then. That's bad management.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

LOL

You’re making Robinson sound like prime Tomlin. He’s not even a 10 starters.

Stick to slagging off Tan you clearly haven’t got a clue about the actual football.

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Tomlin's best season at City. 36 games, 9 goals, 10 assists.

Robinson this season. 17 games, 6 goals, 5 assists

In your own words. You either know football or you don't.

Who the hell is having a go at Colwill when Sawyers and Simpson were on the on the pitch? :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Who the hell is having a go at Colwill when Sawyers and Simpson were on the on the pitch? :hehe:

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Nobody is having a go at him.
This isn't who is the worst player on the pitch. He clearly wasn't. I just don't see the hype. There is a difference between picking the worst, the best and a player some have said we should build a team around.

People rate him highly. Fair enough.
He needs to start producing though and very soon if he is going to be a shining light in this City team. At the minute he isn't much above the complete dross just below him.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

Nobody is having a go at him.
This isn't who is the worst player on the pitch. He clearly wasn't. I just don't see the hype. There is a difference between picking the worst, the best and a player some have said we should build a team around.

People rate him highly. Fair enough.
He needs to start producing though and very soon if he is going to be a shining light in this City team. At the minute he isn't much above the complete dross just below him.

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Agreed. And I don't believe it's anything to do with position.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a worse set of Wales Online markings as these.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...leeds-26013777

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The walesonline website should be illegal it's so bad. Id rather be rickrolled than click on another walesonline link.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

Nobody is having a go at him.
This isn't who is the worst player on the pitch. He clearly wasn't. I just don't see the hype. There is a difference between picking the worst, the best and a player some have said we should build a team around.

People rate him highly. Fair enough.
He needs to start producing though and very soon if he is going to be a shining light in this City team. At the minute he isn't much above the complete dross just below him.

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What is Colwill going to do when 7/8 players in the side are abysmally bad, and to be honest, the bloke ahead of his isn't great. Colwill was probably one of our three best players with Nelson and Mark Harris. The squad is comically bad. Tonight was embarrassing but nobody needs to write about Colwill. Sang, Bagan, Simpson and Sawyers were truly, truly awful. The squad is shocking, it just looks worse and worse every game.

Colwill isn't a winger, though but drawing any conclusions about him tonight is mental.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Agreed. And I don't believe it's anything to do with position.

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I'm not sure he does enough to be marked out as star player. He is better than a fair few in the team but let's be honest a fair chunk are crap.

Does he beat a man? Not really.
Does he score? Not prolific by anybody's reckoning.
Has he got pace? Not really.
Does he produce for others and assist? No
Can he produce the odd quality shot or free kick? I think QPR and Forest last season show he has it in his skill set.
Does he look for and get on the ball as much as he can? Not really.

In short I'm asking those that rate him what he does and does well to mark him out as a star at this club for years to come and in this team?
He looks a decent player and nothing more at this stage for me.

Opinions differ naturally but they need to be backed up at times. One assist in his whole career doesn't mark out some great play maker to be for me. Maybe others see more. I'm asking what they see.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

What is Colwill going to do when 7/8 players in the side are abysmally bad, and to be honest, the bloke ahead of his isn't great. Colwill was probably one of our three best players with Nelson and Mark Harris. The squad is comically bad. Tonight was embarrassing but nobody needs to write about Colwill. Sang, Bagan, Simpson and Sawyers were truly, truly awful. The squad is shocking, it just looks worse and worse every game.

Colwill isn't a winger, though but drawing any conclusions about him tonight is mental.

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Nobody is drawing conclusions tonight.
I am stating stats from his whole career. One assist having featured in 53 games for City is what he has created for others.

He was being discussed as people were shocked he was subbed. For me he didn't do a great deal more than most others on the pitch that first half.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

The Rashford / Fernandez decision was clearly wrong. The officials / VAR can’t use that decision as a barometer for future decisions. At the end of the day he’s in the keepers eye line, centre of the goal 3 clear yards offside.

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I think the offside rule is stupid but Video evidence showed he wasn't obstructing the keepers view of Nelson's header and didn't attempt to play the ball.

The rule should change though and both goals disallowed.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

Nobody is slating him.

I don't see the hype that's all. Some people see a future star. I think at 21, if he is that good, he should be producing more. I just see a potentially solid Championship player.
I don't think he is anywhere near the standard of Robinson if we are picking a number 10 to build the team around.

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And hype it is. There's a handful on here who are almost messianic about Colwill and for the life of me I just can't see why. He's been with the club for 13 years - I think what you now see is as close to the finished article as possible.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

Nobody is drawing conclusions tonight.
I am stating stats from his whole career. One assist having featured in 53 games for City is what he has created for others.

He was being discussed as people were shocked he was subbed. For me he didn't do a great deal more than most others on the pitch that first half.

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To do more than most others, Colwill had to not be embarrassingly bad. He achieved that. I was shocked when he went off, as were others around me.

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Originally Posted by Canton Kev

Fuming there was only 2 minutes added on just as we were making a comeback

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Originally Posted by Maurice Swan

yes...a pretty blunt and honest assessment.....big big trouble....

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Liz Truss can see this.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

And hype it is. There's a handful on here who are almost messianic about Colwill and for the life of me I just can't see why. He's been with the club for 13 years - I think what you now see is as close to the finished article as possible.

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Do I want City to produce high quality players that raise the quality of the squad when they break through? Of course I do.

I won't pretend that a player is better than he is because he is one of a crop of players that were forced into the squad because Tan wanted to save a few quid though.
He certainly has the tools to be a top player but I also think his feet are a bit slow and he's not the quickest.

Top players get on the ball and produce results. They beat a man, they assist, they score.
Until you do that with any regularity then you're not at that level yet. Tonight he looked slightly better than the majority of a City team who had one of the worst halves this season and it is up against a fair bit as bad performances go.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

To do more than most others, Colwill had to not be embarrassingly bad. He achieved that. I was shocked when he went off, as were others around me.

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So not embarrassingly bad is where we are setting the bar now for a future City shining light?
He needs to do more to be an above average midfielder in the Championship at least. Getting fit would be a start.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

So not embarrassingly bad is where we are setting the bar now for a future City shining light?
He needs to do more to be an above average midfielder in the Championship at least. Getting fit would be a start.

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Tonight's result had bugger all to do with Colwill. He was fine. Considering how bad his teammates were, that's pretty impressive. A 20 year old Aaron Ramsey would have struggled to shine in that side tonight.

Difficult to know where to start. Think it really showed the mess the club is in. Fortunately it was a cup game. Millwall is far more important.
An experienced manager and 2/3 players prepared to leave it all on the pitch are needed immediately.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Tonight's result had bugger all to do with Colwill. He was fine. Considering how bad his teammates were, that's pretty impressive. A 20 year old Aaron Ramsey would have struggled to shine in that side tonight.

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I'm not blaming Colwill for the result tonight.
Not in any way.

A 20 year old Aaron Ramsey had been at Arsenal two years already. Not in the same stratosphere sadly.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

I'm not blaming Colwill for the result tonight.
Not in any way.

A 20 year old Aaron Ramsey had been at Arsenal two years already. Not in the same stratosphere sadly.

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Exactly, and he'd have done nothing in that side either.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Exactly, and he'd have done nothing in that side either.

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Before the 2008 cup final the biggest clubs wanted Ramsey. Struggling to see the same with Colwill.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Exactly, and he'd have done nothing in that side either.

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Ramsey would have done nothing yet Robinson came on and got two goals? Second a penalty he won himself. We will agree to disagree. Ramsey looked for the ball and when he got it produced quality on a regular basis.

I hope you are not expecting Colwill to hit Ramsey's heights because that is never happening.

I'm still waiting for people to list all Colwill's qualities. Measurable qualities.

Colwill has talent

He's not a energy filled box to box player like Ramsey

Different sort of footballer

He's not being lauded as the answer to our troubles but if he was fit and playing regularly he would certainly be very important for us

He's not playing regularly because he's not as good as rambo , he's not playing because he's carrying an injury

That's not his fault and certainly doesn't mean the poor sod should be torn apart on here

For those that want pretty football we have a player that can provide this when he's fit yet some are dragging down the very sort of player they crave before he's even a regular in the side

Typical Cardiff City

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Colwill has talent

He's not a energy filled box to box player like Ramsey

Different sort of footballer

He's not being lauded as the answer to our troubles but if he was fit and playing regularly he would certainly be very important for us

He's not playing regularly because he's not as good as rambo , he's not playing because he's carrying an injury

That's not his fault and certainly doesn't mean the poor sod should be torn apart on here

For those that want pretty football we have a player that can provide this when he's fit yet some are dragging down the very sort of player they crave before he's even a regular in the side

Typical Cardiff City

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Nobody is tearing him apart.

He doesn't look too far ahead of a very poor City team at present.

Some think he will push on and we should build a team around him. I'm yet to be convinced he is that quality of player.

I know I got involved in it early on, but why has this thread turned into another debate about Colwill when players like Sang, Simpson, Bagan, Sawyers, Rinomhota, Harris and Etete were a disgrace to the shirt last night?