FT: HULL CITY 1 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Divine Wright

Why do people make predictions about the team getting relegated and then a couple of days later make the same predictions about us getting relegated? No doubt, after we draw next weekend the same people will make the same comments again about us getting relegated.

I personally heard you the first time.

Can't the rest of us discuss the positives and remain optimistic without the same curmudgeons rearing their heads to remind that in fact, no , we are completely ****ed and there is absolutely no hope whatsoever.

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There are 3 of these, Hilts (easily the worst) Blue LewJ, and Sludge. They so want to be right about relegation they repeat their sorrowful message time after time. 2 of them would love us to go back to set piece scores only, Warnock and Gareth Stoker type "hoofball".

I wish they would shut up too, but they won't.

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This place is like a playground at times haha. Fck me I need a break. Haha

We play rubbish and win, city are shit
We play well and lose, city are shit
It’s the way of football.
Thought today was loads better, players were really working for each other, kaba looked lively. I thought in a short space of time the manager had made a good difference.
The number of set pieces wasted was the most frustrating thing for me. If he can spend some time on these then it could make a big difference

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Originally Posted by superfeathers

We play rubbish and win, city are shit
We play well and lose, city are shit
It’s the way of football.
Thought today was loads better, players were really working for each other, kaba looked lively. I thought in a short space of time the manager had made a good difference.
The number of set pieces wasted was the most frustrating thing for me. If he can spend some time on these then it could make a big difference

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We do seem to have gone to shit at both ends of the pitch, set piece wise

I feel we/they have bought all the wrong players for all the wrong positions. There doesn't seem to a "head" that is saying we need this guy to feed off that guy...they just throw players at the team and hope somethings happens.

Like i do in any football manager game because i don't know what the feck i'm doing.

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Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK

I feel we/they have bought all the wrong players for all the wrong positions. There doesn't seem to a "head" that is saying we need this guy to feed off that guy...they just throw players at the team and hope somethings happens.

Like i do in any football manager game because i don't know what the feck i'm doing.

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Hahaha yep sounds about right.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

We have lost again

Dress it up anyway you like

No win 13

You are like an alcoholic pretending he doesn't drink

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No, I'm like an alcoholic struggling to stay off the drink and you are like some fella I bump into every other day or two who each time says "Mate, why bother? we all know you're going start drinking again sooner or later".

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Doubt it. It will be a dead atmosphere. Crowd resigned to relegation. Apathy acceptance of the inevitable.

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That will be you, because you love it.

Nobody else.

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Originally Posted by rich munn

That will be you, because you love it.

Nobody else.

:ayatollah:

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Originally Posted by Hilts

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Wouldn't people be happy with Tan and the board and how they do things if they loved relegation battles?

Decent performance today on the whole except SIMPSON / SAWYERS.....should never be near the first team.
Wintle also needs a rest....OJO tried hard as did Philogene...and I disagree with WOL that Kabe should have done better near the end...on his cameo he looked ok.

Terrible terrible penalty...I have noticed that when players look to left beforehand, they tend to miss....

We are not one of the worst three teams by any means...and I do see signs of improvement even at this early stage.

I cannot disagree with the decision not to include Colwill.....in the last home game he looked somewhat embarrassing....and his lack of challenge led to the goal. He is powderpuff and offers nothing positive. He is not fulfilling his supposed potential...he is just about 21 now.

Davies......The jury is out....he s not a game changer...BUT..he does offer effort and pace an not a little skill..so surprised he was not on the bench.

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Originally Posted by Maurice Swan

Decent performance today on the whole except SIMPSON / SAWYERS.....should never be near the first team.
Wintle also needs a rest....OJO tried hard as did Philogene...and I disagree with WOL that Kabe should have done better near the end...on his cameo he looked ok.

Terrible terrible penalty...I have noticed that when players look to left beforehand, they tend to miss....

We are not one of the worst three teams by any means...and I do see signs of improvement even at this early stage.

I cannot disagree with the decision not to include Colwill.....in the last home game he looked somewhat embarrassing....and his lack of challenge led to the goal. He is powderpuff and offers nothing positive. He is not fulfilling his supposed potential...he is just about 21 now.

Davies......The jury is out....he s not a game changer...BUT..he does offer effort and pace an not a little skill..so surprised he was not on the bench.

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I can't get my head on Colwill, i really can't, and i've tried. Can't work him out as a footballer.

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Originally Posted by insider

I've thrown the towel in.
I doubt Pep could get a manager bounce with this heap of crap.
6 minutes extra which went up to nearly 8 let's be honest we could have played for another hour with 1 of their players being taken off every 5 minutes and we still wouldn't have scored.
Our football is pointless meaningless useless shite with no end product.
In a sea of shite which this league is we are a massive steaming TURD.

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Bit early to be lobbing in the towel in my opinion. After all, the team isn't even in the relegation zone yet. That's amazing given how bad the current run has been, but it's true nonetheless.

Given the fixtures coming up during the next seven days, the table could look really ugly from City's perspective this time next week, and it will be no great surprise if it does. However, Lamouchi now has a full week to work with the team and with the new striker.

He has a major job on his hands, no doubt about that, but the fact that the side doesn't tend to concede many goals means nothing is a foregone conclusion at this stage.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Bit early to be lobbing in the towel in my opinion. After all, the team isn't even in the relegation zone yet. That's amazing given how bad the current run has been, but it's true nonetheless.

Given the fixtures coming up during the next seven days, the table could look really ugly from City's perspective this time next week, and it will be no great surprise if it does. However, Lamouchi now has a full week to work with the team and with the new striker.

He has a major job on his hands, no doubt about that, but the fact that the side doesn't tend to concede many goals means nothing is a foregone conclusion at this stage.

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We don't concede many goals because the opposition know that they usually won't have to score more than once to beat us.

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Originally Posted by rich munn

There are 3 of these, Hilts (easily the worst) Blue LewJ, and Sludge. They so want to be right about relegation they repeat their sorrowful message time after time. 2 of them would love us to go back to set piece scores only, Warnock and Gareth Stoker type "hoofball".

I wish they would shut up too, but they won't.

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I couldn't care less if they wheel Gareth Stoker on and he plays on crutches

If he puts the ball in the net or its fired at his arse and goes in on the ricochet........that's great

We have now failed to win in 13 games

If my aunty had bollocks she would be my uncle

We can't win games

I mean if you can find positives that's great and if we put a few wins together I will join you on the happy clappy bus

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Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy

We don't concede many goals because the opposition know that they usually won't have to score more than once to beat us.

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The other thing is that we don't come out to play, we are tentative, unsure and unwilling at times, well. most of the time. There comes a time when we have to try and win football matches, but we look scared to try.

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Originally Posted by Maurice Swan

Decent performance today on the whole except SIMPSON / SAWYERS.....should never be near the first team.
Wintle also needs a rest....OJO tried hard as did Philogene...and I disagree with WOL that Kabe should have done better near the end...on his cameo he looked ok.

Terrible terrible penalty...I have noticed that when players look to left beforehand, they tend to miss....

We are not one of the worst three teams by any means...and I do see signs of improvement even at this early stage.

I cannot disagree with the decision not to include Colwill.....in the last home game he looked somewhat embarrassing....and his lack of challenge led to the goal. He is powderpuff and offers nothing positive. He is not fulfilling his supposed potential...he is just about 21 now.

Davies......The jury is out....he s not a game changer...BUT..he does offer effort and pace an not a little skill..so surprised he was not on the bench.

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Our form is one of the worst in the league , we are 4th from bottom and one win will put us in the drop zone

We are about as near to being one of the worst three teams as we could be

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Our form is one of the worst in the league , we are 4th from bottom and one win will put us in the drop zone

We are about as near to being one of the worst three teams as we could be

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Near but not quite...

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Originally Posted by Maurice Swan

Near but not quite...

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All 3 teams below us have 2 games in hand.

I'll say our underlying problem - apart from the obvious - is lack of confidence. We haven't been scoring a lot since the start of the season but as soon as the goals dried up, confidence started to dip. And when confidence dips it's in front of goal where it has it's most dramatic effect. You can lose confidence as a side overall, but in defence and midfield the frenetic nature of play probably means you 're just focusing on the moment, but as soon as we're up the other end, we make wrong decisions, are hesitant, and to put it simply, bottle it. The four new signings last January changed the attitude and mentality of the side immediately. I don't think one signing [Kaba] is going to have too much effect. More likely he'll be caught up in the general mental malaise of the rest.

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Originally Posted by Maurice Swan

Decent performance today on the whole except SIMPSON / SAWYERS.....should never be near the first team.
Wintle also needs a rest....OJO tried hard as did Philogene...and I disagree with WOL that Kabe should have done better near the end...on his cameo he looked ok.

Terrible terrible penalty...I have noticed that when players look to left beforehand, they tend to miss....

We are not one of the worst three teams by any means...and I do see signs of improvement even at this early stage.

I cannot disagree with the decision not to include Colwill.....in the last home game he looked somewhat embarrassing....and his lack of challenge led to the goal. He is powderpuff and offers nothing positive. He is not fulfilling his supposed potential...he is just about 21 now.

Davies......The jury is out....he s not a game changer...BUT..he does offer effort and pace an not a little skill..so surprised he was not on the bench.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

I'll say our underlying problem - apart from the obvious - is lack of confidence. We haven't been scoring a lot since the start of the season but as soon as the goals dried up, confidence started to dip. And when confidence dips it's in front of goal where it has it's most dramatic effect. You can lose confidence as a side overall, but in defence and midfield the frenetic nature of play probably means you 're just focusing on the moment, but as soon as we're up the other end, we make wrong decisions, are hesitant, and to put it simply, bottle it. The four new signings last January changed the attitude and mentality of the side immediately. I don't think one signing [Kaba] is going to have too much effect. More likely he'll be caught up in the general mental malaise of the rest.

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I’m saying much the same in the blog piece I’m writing now, the lack of confidence shows in many different ways, but, essentially, it boils down to players thinking about things they’d normally do naturally without a second’s thought.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

I'll say our underlying problem - apart from the obvious - is lack of confidence. We haven't been scoring a lot since the start of the season but as soon as the goals dried up, confidence started to dip. And when confidence dips it's in front of goal where it has its most dramatic effect. You can lose confidence as a side overall, but in defence and midfield the frenetic nature of play probably means you 're just focusing on the moment, but as soon as we're up the other end, we make wrong decisions, are hesitant, and to put it simply, bottle it. The four new signings last January changed the attitude and mentality of the side immediately. I don't think one signing [Kaba] is going to have too much effect. More likely he'll be caught up in the general mental malaise of the rest.

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Confidence is one thing but we’ve scored 21 goals all season. In our first 10 we scored 7. Confidence is low but we haven’t got the right blend of players. It’s a complete mess but we desperately needed that penalty to go in and take the pressure off. We don’t have the players to open sides up, and we don’t create chances to miss. In our predicament I think we have got to start getting the ball in the box, and that means getting pretty bloody horrible

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Confidence is one thing but we’ve scored 21 goals all season. In our first 10 we scored 7. Confidence is low but we haven’t got the right blend of players. It’s a complete mess but we desperately needed that penalty to go in and take the pressure off. We don’t have the players to open sides up, and we don’t create chances to miss. In our predicament I think we have got to start getting the ball in the box, and that means getting pretty bloody horrible

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Yeah, it's that simple, isn't it? There is no magic formula, haven't we seen enough of these players to know that they're not good enough, most of them individually and as a group? I can understand fans looking for reasons etc, but the fact is that the majority of the squad aren't good enough.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Confidence is one thing but we’ve scored 21 goals all season. In our first 10 we scored 7. Confidence is low but we haven’t got the right blend of players. It’s a complete mess but we desperately needed that penalty to go in and take the pressure off. We don’t have the players to open sides up, and we don’t create chances to miss. In our predicament I think we have got to start getting the ball in the box, and that means getting pretty bloody horrible

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I don't think it necessarily has to be horrible either. That just means working it out to the flanks and providing Robinson and Sory with crosses. It doesn't even have to be 100% of the time. Maybe some long ball stuff as well.

The key is to keep the opposition defence guessing.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I mean if you can find positives that's great and if we put a few wins together I will join you on the happy clappy bus

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The very definition of a "fairweather" fan. Pull your finger out mun.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Yeah, it's that simple, isn't it? There is no magic formula, haven't we seen enough of these players to know that they're not good enough, most of them individually and as a group? I can understand fans looking for reasons etc, but the fact is that the majority of the squad aren't good enough.

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Yep. It doesn't really matter who is the manager when the players are so limited and we can't get any decent new signings. Most of the squad got multiple-year contracts last summer as well, so it's probably just delaying the inevitable if we are somehow able to avoid relegation this season.

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Originally Posted by Divine Wright

The very definition of a "fairweather" fan. Pull your finger out mun.

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I am normally very positive but we are done

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Originally Posted by Splott-light...

there's a lot of points still available

have a little faith

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I've been optimistic since before kick off on day one. Today, that optimism just disappeared. Not consciously, it just happened. The supply is poor, what little finishing opportunities are fluffed. Our defence is reasonably solid, but one mistake and we're ****ed. It's happened twice in a week. 6 points gone. If you can't score you can't win. That penalty was ****ing atrocious. If you're a professional footballer on thousands a week, make your own ****ing confidence. Earn your living, Get it to-****ing-gether.

Maybe we'll be good next year in League 1. I doubt it though. This team has no backbone.

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Originally Posted by Divine Wright

I don't think it necessarily has to be horrible either. That just means working it out to the flanks and providing Robinson and Sory with crosses. It doesn't even have to be 100% of the time. Maybe some long ball stuff as well.

The key is to keep the opposition defence guessing.

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I'd have Robinson delivering the ball, and getting in the box for the knockdowns etc. It has got to this stage. We have to get the ball in the box as much as possible. I think we need 7 wins, at the moment I don't think we'll score 7 goals.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

I'd have Robinson delivering the ball, and getting in the box for the knockdowns etc. It has got to this stage. We have to get the ball in the box as much as possible. I think we need 7 wins, at the moment I don't think we'll score 7 goals.

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Percentage football now

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Bit early to be lobbing in the towel in my opinion. After all, the team isn't even in the relegation zone yet. That's amazing given how bad the current run has been, but it's true nonetheless.

Given the fixtures coming up during the next seven days, the table could look really ugly from City's perspective this time next week, and it will be no great surprise if it does. However, Lamouchi now has a full week to work with the team and with the new striker.

He has a major job on his hands, no doubt about that, but the fact that the side doesn't tend to concede many goals means nothing is a foregone conclusion at this stage.

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The major job Sabri has is teaching the basics
5 yard passes
Marking your man from the correct side
Hitting the target in the box
Basically giving a shit and not being 2nd to every header or challenge.
This squad is wank to the core
I just can't see where it's coming from.
Sadly

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

I'll say our underlying problem - apart from the obvious - is lack of confidence. We haven't been scoring a lot since the start of the season but as soon as the goals dried up, confidence started to dip. And when confidence dips it's in front of goal where it has it's most dramatic effect. You can lose confidence as a side overall, but in defence and midfield the frenetic nature of play probably means you 're just focusing on the moment, but as soon as we're up the other end, we make wrong decisions, are hesitant, and to put it simply, bottle it. The four new signings last January changed the attitude and mentality of the side immediately. I don't think one signing [Kaba] is going to have too much effect. More likely he'll be caught up in the general mental malaise of the rest.

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I agree with this.

You make a good point about the difference between last January’s window and this :-(

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Bit early to be lobbing in the towel in my opinion. After all, the team isn't even in the relegation zone yet. That's amazing given how bad the current run has been, but it's true nonetheless.

Given the fixtures coming up during the next seven days, the table could look really ugly from City's perspective this time next week, and it will be no great surprise if it does. However, Lamouchi now has a full week to work with the team and with the new striker.

He has a major job on his hands, no doubt about that, but the fact that the side doesn't tend to concede many goals means nothing is a foregone conclusion at this stage.

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A comparatively positive post from TLG!

Hurray!

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I am normally very positive but we are done

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When were you last positive?

On a drugs test?

:ayatollah:

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Bit early to be lobbing in the towel in my opinion. After all, the team isn't even in the relegation zone yet. That's amazing given how bad the current run has been, but it's true nonetheless.

Given the fixtures coming up during the next seven days, the table could look really ugly from City's perspective this time next week, and it will be no great surprise if it does. However, Lamouchi now has a full week to work with the team and with the new striker.

He has a major job on his hands, no doubt about that, but the fact that the side doesn't tend to concede many goals means nothing is a foregone conclusion at this stage.

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This reminds me of the old, Malky was never in the bottom 3 argument even thought it was obvious we were dropping quickly and looked hopeless.

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Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo

This reminds me of the old, Malky was never in the bottom 3 argument even thought it was obvious we were dropping quickly and looked hopeless.

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Blackpool haven't won a league game since October and have Mick McCarthy managing them. Huddersfield have been in the bottom three all season and there's a reason for that. Wigan have won once since mid-October.

Those three sides are very poor. City are also very poor, especially in attack. But the club has a new manager who has only been in the job for a week, so there's a possibility things might improve if he's any good.

It'll probably go to the wire, but there's nothing to suggest Wigan, Blackpool or Huddersfield are any more likely to start winning games than City. The bookmakers currently have Cardiff at 6/5 for relegation. I'd go evens. But not odds on.

I can certainly see us dropping into the bottom 3, but that doesn't automatically mean we'll stay there. There's still a third of the season left. We do need to start scoring sharpish, though, which is admittedly hard to see right now.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Blackpool haven't won a league game since October and have Mick McCarthy managing them. Huddersfield have been in the bottom three all season and there's a reason for that. Wigan have won once since mid-October.

Those three sides are very poor. City are also very poor, especially in attack. But the club has a new manager who has only been in the job for a week, so there's a possibility things might improve if he's any good.

It'll probably go to the wire, but there's nothing to suggest Wigan, Blackpool or Huddersfield are any more likely to start winning games than City. The bookmakers currently have Cardiff at 6/5 for relegation. I'd go evens. But not odds on.

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I don’t disagree.

It was more of a joke about the old question that Malik would have kept us up.