https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0f3h8lfQuote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65347835
Here you go. Probably the BBC's fault you couldn't find it!
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0f3h8lfQuote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65347835
Here you go. Probably the BBC's fault you couldn't find it!
when ? because i can't waitQuote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
What we do know is that NATO solders are on the ground in Ukraine
What we do know is that US soldiers are on the ground in Ukraine
What we do know is that UK solders are on the ground in Ukraine
What we do know is that Ursula von der Leyen said six months ago that Ukraine losses were over 100,000 ( backtracked)
What we do know is that Ukraine were losing high three digit solders per day six months ago
What we do know is that a Norwegian general stated that Ukrainian losses are probably over 100,000 dead or wounded. In addition, Ukraine has about 30,000 civilians have passed , and that was 5 months ago.
What we don’t know is when the war is going to end.
could you provide some more details about this?Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
in a specific area? in the war in general or on one front?
it doesn't seem feasible that Ukraine could have been losing troops this rapidly and still be in the war
Good point, it's a bit like the BBC, Guardian and 95% of the worlds press giving information to their readers that the Ruskies have run out of ammo about 4 times but still appear to be advancing 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
I was in a restaurant in Lodz a few weeks back. The two tables next to us were Americans who were on rest from Ukraine. I only overheard snippets of conversation but their role was recovering bodies and they mentioned that they had run out of body bags. It was intriguing but horrifying to listen to.
UK govt. is giving long range cruise missiles to Ukraine ;
https://news.sky.com/story/russia-th...raine-12878786
Seems incredible, but done without a hint of objection from anywhere in parliament. So effectively a proxy war with Russia...
£2.2m each apparently , strange allocation of money when the UK is in a recession in a very strange “war” and all we know is information drip fed from Ukrainian propaganda.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Any sign of any proposed peace talks?
Not until the Americans say so - if ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
From what I have learned in the last two weeks many ex-USSR states have a mixed relationship with Russia these days. Even some of the dictators of Central Asia, who all attended Putin's May Day March, are twitchy about what is happening in Ukraine, if I understand the situation correctly.
Just yesterday, here in Dushanbe (Tajikistan) there's was a red and yellow wreath placed at the foot on an ex-Soviet war memorial (which I assumed, perhaps incorrectly, was symbolic of Ukraine).
As I understand it, these countries seem reticent to strengthen relationship with China for not applying pressure on Putin and there's talk of Turkey (and most of these countries are largely Turkic in origin) filling the vacuum.
I have also spoken in private to a few individuals (albeit a meaningless sample) of female doctors from Kazakhstan and Kyrgystan (sheer coincidence as I met them in different countries and not their own countries) as well as a young Russian man, who escaped the draft. I have also read that Kazakhstan is benefitting from the influx of young Russian IT experts who are fleeing Russia.
As you may be aware, Russian ethnics have a considerable presence in these countries for obvious reasons and Russian is very much the lingua france in this region. The female doctors told me that even their Russian-ethnic colleagues are against what Putin has done (although they don't talk about politics too loudly in these countries ruled by despots).
It seems that Putin has done a lot of short-term and long-term damage to Russia's relationships, in particular to some ex-Soviet states, some of whom are still reliant on Russian energy.
I have worked in International Relations but I am no expert regarding this region, however. If anyone can put me right or can add to my understanding of the situation here, please steam in.
Putin, it seems, has weakened Russia's influence on the international scene and he seems to be painting himself into a corner.
Happy to be educated and corrected, if need be.
I note that members of the Turkish opposition party are complaining about Russian interference in their elections too.
What allocation of money? The money has been paid. These missiles have already been built and have sat in a warehouse for years. They're 20+ year old tech and munitions have a shelf life. Either these missiles get used or degrade to the point they get destroyedQuote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Ah that makes it ok then , as they are almost obsolete the west may as well kill a few thousand people in a proxy war and risk prolonging the outcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canton Kev
That's a separate conversation. But keeping on that train of thought, it could bring the conflict to an end quicker than not supplying them with the missiles :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Unlikely considering Russia has almost unlimited troop numbers and is receiving assistance from a few countries around the world. That said , it’s a very strange conflict with most information coming from Western/ Ukrainian propaganda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canton Kev
These missiles may not even exist , but good for procurement… but that’s another thread.
Figuratively , imagine a situation where there are 3,000 nuclear weapons in the world , when in reality you would only need 30 or 40, what would be the justification for more and more being produced.
What is the justification ,what’s the breakdown (Labour , raw materials etc ) who benefits. This is just an imaginary situation , but it doesn’t make sense to me when there is so much poverty in the world.
The idea to me , as an outsider looking in , these is more chance of destroying the world not through nuclear but a financial meltdown. This is just a scenario though not fact.
The Duran take on the Storm Shadow long-range missilesQuote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHfwaY4tKow
Telegram channelQuote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
Attachment 5568
So if I understand your two posts. The first one is a chat between a couple of like minded chums where one said the Storm-Shadow missile is air-based from long range, subsonic and the Russians will obviously shoot it down and the second cut is saying that it hit its target?Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
EU financial assistance to Ukraine currently , money well spend clearly.
EU Commission and Council €29.93b
Germany €14.68b
UK €9.83b
France €7.81b
Netherlands €6.61b
Italy €5.50b
Poland €5.01b
Spain €4.81b
Sweden €2.61b
Norway €2.35b
Denmark €1.86b
Austria €1.80b
Belgium €1.62b
Do you read Zero Hedge a lot?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
A mate of mine swears by it…and his opinions are very much aligned with yours.
Most people I know think he’s batshit crazy.
Given that he didn't make those numbers up off the top of his head, but it is clearly a cut and paste from somewhere, presumably a post that thinks the UK and Norway are in the EU, it would be interesting to know the source and context as you say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
Never heard of it , just to clarify posting topics which I may or may not agree with makes you think I have a mental health concern ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/u...t%20for%202023.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Official Uk data here (and you could have found that yourself) but I’m assuming that’s for the last two years only and doesn’t include charity donations etc
Worldwide financial assistance to Ukraine (not including countries with donations less than 1b. The tracker doesn’t include private donations, or help from international organizations like the Red Cross, due to a “lack of comparable and reliable data,” according to the Institute.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...%20their%20own.
Neither of those are your source though are they?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
You asked for context ( which is fair enough) and I sent you the links. I suspect the figures quoted are considerably higher ( than the numbers in the article) when you think this conflict was not in the news until last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Never knew you favoured quoting UK costs in Euros....still, whatever, tovarisch!Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Did you prefer the interbank exchange rate of the £/€ to accommodate the article then :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
What article?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Any casualty is dreadful, who cares where the figures come from it is bloddy tragic , and thought provoking , things like this bring home the reality of how good we have it, living in the UK.
UkraineQuote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Covid
Vaccines
WEF/Illuminate
Climate Change
I don’t think that it’s wrong to show skepticism about such issues…but to cry wolf on all of them in a conspiratorial way is what my Mate does.
It’s not My Cup of Darjeeling, but
here is a link so you can judge for yourself.
According to a media bias site though, it is considered high on the Alt-Right/Pseudoscientific scale.
https://www.zerohedge.com/
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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
That link would be no interest to me what so ever, if it’s far right but thanks anyway. You don’t have to accept everything you are told as 100% true and you are entitled to process the information you receive and make an independent decision.
You're absolutely right. Why should we have to believe the World is round anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Perhaps you could start a thread on it ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
One thought. Every weapons manufacturer is rubbing their hands with glee at Russia creating a testing ground in Ukraine
Joe Biden says 100.000 Russian soldiers died at Bakhmut.
Wagner must have some size of a private army.100,000 dead implies 300,000 to 400,000 casualties. And he still had enough left over to liberate the place.
Given that you started this thread with some made up numbers it is little surprise that you can't understand the difference between deaths and casualties.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3...raine-bakhmut/
More pertinently though, what do you mean when you talk about the "liberation" of Bakhmut?
Yes I know the difference funnily enough , see below article.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
https://censor.net/en/news/3419775/r..._bakhmut_biden
Perhaps you should have got it from the horse's mouth. Here is a tweet with the words Bakhmut lost and 100k casualties and where Biden made a clear separation that was deliberately or wrongly headed 100k lost and obviously repeated by you sometime later. Just as well that you boys don't fall for media spin I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1660258772017639428
Now you were going to explain why you think Bakhmut has been liberated!
Bit of a vatnik thing to say?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1