20mph online petition

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tuerto

I shouldn't have really. We'll have the world basket weaving 'Expert' up shortly...... :hehe: :facepalm:

---

My teacher in Primary School told me I was already “world class” at the age of eight at basket weaving when I made one for my mum - I decided to quit the basket weaving game there and then as there was nothing more for me to do in it, but if you’re having a problem with one of yours, I’ll tell you where you’re going wrong because I’m sure the old magic is still there.

I remember making them in school and cubs. Think I reached semi-advanced level meaning I included coloured beads in the design.
Wasn't there some link with the RNIB that used to be on the corner of Newport Road and Fitzalan Place?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

My teacher in Primary School told me I was already “world class” at the age of eight at basket weaving when I made one for my mum - I decided to quit the basket weaving game there and then as there was nothing more for me to do in it, but if you’re having a problem with one of yours, I’ll tell you where you’re going wrong because I’m sure the old magic is still there.

---

:hehe: Super models, Racing drivers...... :hehe:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by JamesWales

Maybe there is a rush? Maybe they are delivery drivers or late for the train? Maybe they are in a taxi or busy to get to an appointment that they can now do less of each day as a result?

Maybe they think 20 mph is sensible on a cul de sac or narrow street in a Cathays or Splott but absolutely absurd on wide, often quiet streets in the northern suburbs?

All kinds of reasons to think this is a badly thought and badly implemented policy.

In practice most people seem to be ignoring it and the Welsh Govt have just built a groundswell of general opposition.

---

I'm sorry JW but i'm not buying that just because someone is late for a work type thing they get to drive at speed. Police, Fire, Ambulance etc being the exception.
Someone needing an emergency fish and chips can feck off

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tuerto

Dear Mike Morris, any chance we can put some basket weaving videos up, or leg exercises while you're sat down, for the angry old bastards in this thread?

---

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Or arrange a day out with Arty the great laugh 🤣🤣🤣and they can all get p!ssed up over a pint together.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by pipster

Have you ever met the man ?

I did once - doing some work for a company assigned to Welsh Gov and I have to say - he was great, very funny, wanted to know what we did - how he could help. The company was in the food / drinks market and he had a quick half with us at the end of the session.

I'd happily have a couple of pints with him socially, something you couldn't do with Mark Drakeford (he doesnt drink) and apparently doesnt drive either - ironic given his 20mph law

---

Prince a
Andew and Nigel Farage would also be great guys to drink with as well! This is just another distraction trick

Isn't it weird how Welsh postcodes had massive peak in searches on Google around the time this petition was made :hehe::hehe:

Attachment 5807

See for yourselves https://trends.google.com/trends/exp...codes&hl=en-GB

100 doesn't mean 100 searches, 100 = peak search rate compared to the rest of the year.

Scroll down to see which area of the world did these searches. Hilarious.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Doucas

Isn't it weird how Welsh postcodes had massive peak in searches on Google around the time this petition was made :hehe::hehe:

Attachment 5807

See for yourselves https://trends.google.com/trends/exp...codes&hl=en-GB

100 doesn't mean 100 searches, 100 = peak search rate compared to the rest of the year.

Scroll down to see which area of the world did these searches. Hilarious.

---

Have we any Data on The Dordogne region of France?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tuerto

Have we any Data on The Dordogne region of France?

---

No, but I believe it is hosting the 2024 World "Flicking a ruler on the edge of a desk" championship.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK

I'm sorry JW but i'm not buying that just because someone is late for a work type thing they get to drive at speed. Police, Fire, Ambulance etc being the exception.
Someone needing an emergency fish and chips can feck off

---

Yeah you are missing my point.

My point is that someone driving at 25 or 30 or 32 on wide, often quiet streets is not speeding. That's normal. Or should be.

Driving at 20, 18, 16mph is abnormal is such circumstances

I imagine reporters with microphones and cameras chasing round andrewRTdavies through the streets as he dives in the chippy to escape and to scoff some pies

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tuerto

:hehe: Super models, Racing drivers...... :hehe:

---

:hehe:

370,000 now...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by JamesWales

370,000 now...

---

It’s all the bloody English voting though init? Bloody Tories from over the bridge……..:hehe:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by JamesWales

Yeah you are missing my point.

My point is that someone driving at 25 or 30 or 32 on wide, often quiet streets is not speeding. That's normal. Or should be.

Driving at 20, 18, 16mph is abnormal is such circumstances

---

so you don't like change, got it

.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Doucas

.

---

Yes a load of guff….��

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I imagine reporters with microphones and cameras chasing round andrewRTdavies through the streets as he dives in the chippy to escape and to scoff some pies

---

I think you imagine lots of things Sludge

I don't disagree with the idea of 20 mph limits, especially around schools, hospitals, care homes and built up residential areas. My issue is the way it's been implemented and the absolute confusion that's ensued. Pi$$ poor communication doesn't begin to describe it!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by bluesp

I don't disagree with the idea of 20 mph limits, especially around schools, hospitals, care homes and built up residential areas. My issue is the way it's been implemented and the absolute confusion that's ensued. Pi$$ poor communication doesn't begin to describe it!

---

Doesn't help when the opposition party keep describing it as a "blanket change"

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rjk

so you don't like change, got it

---

Almost as ridiculous a comment as the idea that you can't drive safely at 24mph down Lloyd George Avenue

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rjk

Doesn't help when the opposition party keep describing it as a "blanket change"

---

It also doesn't help either when someone starts a petition calling the limit 'disastrous', before it has even been implemented. How could he even know that?

I see now that the opposition's latest route is to bring about a vote of no confidence in Lee Waters.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by JamesWales

Almost as ridiculous a comment as the idea that you can't drive safely at 24mph down Lloyd George Avenue

---

No idea on this road but if its perfectly safe for 30 cant you lobby your council to make it 30.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hilts

No idea on this road but if its perfectly safe for 30 cant you lobby your council to make it 30.

---

It's the tree-lined dual carriageway connecting the city centre with Cardiff Bay.

And yes, you are right, people can. Just as they could have lobbied for any road to become 20 beforehand. It certainly isn't all set in stone.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by The Bloop

It also doesn't help either when someone starts a petition calling the limit 'disastrous', before it has even been implemented. How could he even know that?

I see now that the opposition's latest route is to bring about a vote of no confidence in Lee Waters.

---

a vote of no confidence in Lee Waters. Of course, you would if someone wastes that much money on a whim, there are actual needs like services and the NHS.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by JamesWales

Almost as ridiculous a comment as the idea that you can't drive safely at 24mph down Lloyd George Avenue

---

From Whitchurch Golf Course to the Deri, a safe road with pavement on only one side, no one crosses the road, 40mph would be safe, 30 acceptable, it's been 20 for a year with two speed cameras, it will never go back now as it was a trial area, a total waste of time and money.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

From Whitchurch Golf Course to the Deri, a safe road with pavement on only one side, no one crosses the road, 40mph would be safe, 30 acceptable, it's been 20 for a year with two speed cameras, it will never go back now as it was a trial area, a total waste of time and money.

---

By Pantmawr..yeah, one of a couple of dozen or so roads where 30mph would be far more sensible. When you turn up into Pantmawr estate, that's the kind of place where 20mph is appropriate and where you would never want to exceed that anyway

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by JamesWales

By Pantmawr..yeah, one of a couple of dozen or so roads where 30mph would be far more sensible. When you turn up into Pantmawr estate, that's the kind of place where 20mph is appropriate and where you would never want to exceed that anyway

---

Exactly common sense that's all people want :thumbup:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rjk

Doesn't help when the opposition party keep describing it as a "blanket change"

---

Very true, all about sound bites and point scoring rather than actually tackling the issue. Also not impressed by my MS's social media post accusing the tories of being in favour of killing children - I paraphrase obviously.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by JamesWales

By Pantmawr..yeah, one of a couple of dozen or so roads where 30mph would be far more sensible. When you turn up into Pantmawr estate, that's the kind of place where 20mph is appropriate and where you would never want to exceed that anyway

---

That journey is probably less than a mile. This isn't really about the speed limit, is it? I reckon it's about people not liking being told what to do. Fine with me, but I wish that they would just say so. 20 from 30 isn't really going to put much time on a journey in a city like Cardiff, You are rarely in a position to build up must speed or momentum before coming to a stop, or encountering traffic. Plenty of people won't do 20, plenty of people will work out where they have to do 20, that 100 mtr stretch where there's a speed camera. What could happen is that the clowns that used to buzz around at 49, might drop it down to 30.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tuerto

That journey is probably less than a mile. This isn't really about the speed limit, is it? I reckon it's about people not liking being told what to do. Fine with me, but I wish that they would just say so. 20 from 30 isn't really going to put much time on a journey in a city like Cardiff, You are rarely in a position to build up must speed or momentum before coming to a stop, or encountering traffic. Plenty of people won't do 20, plenty of people will work out where they have to do 20, that 100 mtr stretch where there's a speed camera. What could happen is that the clowns that used to buzz around at 49, might drop it down to 30.

---

It doesn't make sense, there was no need, it's totally illogical and just a show of power.

What if he had chosen 3mph because it's safer would have you said that's great whatever?

More people die on Motorways what if he thinks, I know what I'll change those to 20mph too that's safer?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

It doesn't make sense, there was no need, it's totally illogical and just a show of power.

What if he had chosen 3mph because it's safer would have you said that's great whatever?

More people die on Motorways what if he thinks, I know what I'll change those to 20mph too that's safer?

---

:hehe:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by JamesWales

It's the tree-lined dual carriageway connecting the city centre with Cardiff Bay.

And yes, you are right, people can. Just as they could have lobbied for any road to become 20 beforehand. It certainly isn't all set in stone.

---

It's only about half a mile long isn't it? going back to 30 would save what 30 seconds?
Maybe that one could get changed, but it is hardly a disaster if they don't

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tuerto

That journey is probably less than a mile. This isn't really about the speed limit, is it? I reckon it's about people not liking being told what to do. Fine with me, but I wish that they would just say so. 20 from 30 isn't really going to put much time on a journey in a city like Cardiff, You are rarely in a position to build up must speed or momentum before coming to a stop, or encountering traffic. Plenty of people won't do 20, plenty of people will work out where they have to do 20, that 100 mtr stretch where there's a speed camera. What could happen is that the clowns that used to buzz around at 49, might drop it down to 30.

---

Exactly. Also as you approach the golf club and traffic lights at Manor Way, not only are you travelling downhill, the bend is blind so you have to slow down earlier anyway. The opposite direction going up hill, if someone is turning into the estate, or if there's a bus in front of you, you'll have to use extra revs to accelerate to 30 so why not use less and stay at 20 as the mini roundabout at the top is only a couple of hundred yards away.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by JamesWales

By Pantmawr..yeah, one of a couple of dozen or so roads where 30mph would be far more sensible. When you turn up into Pantmawr estate, that's the kind of place where 20mph is appropriate and where you would never want to exceed that anyway

---

How often can you actually drive at 20 along there? certainly not in rush hour anyway

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rjk

How often can you actually drive at 20 along there? certainly not in rush hour anyway

---

Along Pantmawr Road? The vast majority of the time you can. It backs up at the A470 at rush hours but rarely too bad.

It's one of many roads where driving at 30mph really cannot be considered dangerous. As I say, when you turn up into to estate it's different.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rjk

How often can you actually drive at 20 along there? certainly not in rush hour anyway

---

Why is it called “rush hour”, when everything is nose to tail ?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rjk

How often can you actually drive at 20 along there? certainly not in rush hour anyway

---

99% of the time except half an hour in the morning and half an hour at night until the changes now you're lucky to get up to 15mph with all the pensioners doddering around scared of the cameras.

That's the main problem, 20mph to some is 10mph to 15mph.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

It doesn't make sense, there was no need, it's totally illogical and just a show of power.

What if he had chosen 3mph because it's safer would have you said that's great whatever?

More people die on Motorways what if he thinks, I know what I'll change those to 20mph too that's safer?

---

We've seen this kind of reductio ad absurdum on this thread a few times already and it's just a pathetic argument.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tuerto

That journey is probably less than a mile. This isn't really about the speed limit, is it? I reckon it's about people not liking being told what to do.

---

I reckon it's about people not liking being told what to do when it's so stupid, when it flies in the face of common sense.