More panic mongering by the climate fanatics.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-68110310
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More panic mongering by the climate fanatics.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-68110310
I see that Sir Kier essentially threw his climate policy down the shitter, has he now joined the conspiracy brigade ?
Relax, it's just prepping for what comes next.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
He's a joke, it's time for the UN/WHO/WEF to take over. Politicians have had their day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
What on earth does that gibberish mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
I think it's more that the Tories have ****ed up just about every public service you can possibly imagine, whilst at the same time growing the national debt massively whilst imposing higher taxation and flatlining the economy, so Labour are going to have to be a bit more modest with their ambitions until we are a bit less of a dumpster fireQuote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
I think the first part is absolutely right - but rather that that requiring a sensible policy adjustment, it means there is a perfect excuse for a political coward and serial liar to carry out yet another pledge dump as the Blairite cabal whisper in his ear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
It's obvious that Starmer has sold out to corporate interests which is why he's U turned on basically every pledge he made.
He won't get my vote.
Far too simple an explanation for me. The idea that societies, networks, ways of working, delivery, funding etc are wholly determined by who is in national govt is wrong. And because that's wrong it means it won't change with a new govt.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Of course it's a complimentary factor, a big one, but there is so much going on in the world of work and in society and it is waaaay overlooked as a factor by those seeking to make a political point of it.
The clearest demonstration of this is that different councils, hospitals etc perform differently. Birmingham Council for example spunked £80m on an IT project. That's nothing to do with central govt. Likewise, it it made much difference we would have much better services here in Wales, yet we don't.
Things like working from home, immigration, covid, society changing and becoming more digital are far bigger factors.
Very little will change under a Labour central government unless underlying issues and causes are addressed and I hold little hope of that.
We are an unhappy, paranoid, lazy, inefficient, short term thinking, increasingly isolated society. Tories did not make that better but they didn't cause it either
I'm no fan of Starmer, but I don't think he's sold out to corporate interests - he's basically just happy to do or say anything that he thinks will get him into power - this will have been a calculation that the flack that he will take from ditching it will be less damaging than the potential criticism of being financially reckless in a discourse in the general public that is usually skewed to the right of centre.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
So partially beholden to corporate interests in the media at least, sure, but I think that more reflects the reality of the political system we have rather that selling out.
Someone like Corbyn would never play that game and would stick to their beliefs - I would love Corbyn to have been prime minister, but it is never going to happen in the current climate, he would have been torn to shreds by now, instead of sitting on a 25 point lead. Corbyn is just as much affected by the right wing media in trying not to play their game than Starmer is in playing it.
As for not voting for Labour because Starmer has sold out to corporate interests -in a 2 party first past the post system, that only benefits the Tories - who are basically only there to further corporate intetrests.
I thought this was your specialist subject? You are adept at copying & pasting the fear elements, but what about the solution, it's implementation, and the effect on peoples lives? Not everybody can depart life without a care in the world, as they have families, kids & grandchildren, and they want to know what kind of future they will be leaving behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
We need more meat on the bone, not just the scary panic bits. Tell us what the solution is, how it works, and how it will affect our lives. Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Don't disagree with your public service bit, but the climate nutters have constantly told us that its an existential threat to humanity and the planet, shirley if this is the case, then money is irrelevant and should not be the decider, skimming 20 odd billion from the climate fantasy fund makes no difference to us all being dead in the next 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years, don't you see the grift yet ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
What if the grift isn't the main event, and it's all about implementing some kind of digital control system? I've got Bob on the case, and hopefully he will report back soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
Nobody is saying that everyone is going to be dead in 10 or even 50 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
Milllions dead sure, but not everyone
On behalf on those who will still be alive, how will they be forced to comply with the climate restrictions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
I see it now, you have stolen my future is not applicable to everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
I must have dreamt the last 40 odd years of being told by Gore, Kerry and Co. that i only have 5 then 10 then another 10 etc. until the impending apocalypse.
It's like shooting fish in a barrel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
Everybody cant wait to sign up for these new climate restrictions, yet they have absolutely no idea what it entails.
:shrug: You seem confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Not me mate. It's a very simple question that you seem to have great difficulty answering.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
yes you do appear to have dreamt it, or more likely misunderstood what was being said - when has anyone said that everyone in the world will be dead in 5 years time - other than on one of organ morgan's threadsQuote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
Carbon emissions in the UK have been dropping since the peak in the 1970s - and are now at a similar level to where they were in the 1880s or thereabouts, despite us all using a lot more energy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
So we will achieve it by doing what we've been doing since then, only more so.
your weird fantasy that climate change is made up to allow the elite to exert more and more control over or lives fortunately has no basis in reality.
simple question for you - what is your understanding of the scientific "case" for man made climate change, and what about it don't you agree with?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
About the same as lockdowns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
They will never answer that question, I've literally asked it about 40-50 times on here. They don't understand even the basics behind it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Let's see if any of the digital conspiracy theories come true before we start talking about fantasies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
The irony behind you of all people coming out with that last sentence is delicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
It's interesting because we've been through this before. I remember when you became an extension of the BBC regarding the lockdowns. Turns out they didn't work, yet we had to witness the destruction of businesses, setbacks in kids education, excess deaths through missed appointments, a declining NHS, and an economy that is on the brink.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
And now you have pivoted onto climate change as though nothing happened, with no idea how the counter measures are going to be deployed, or how they will affect us. That's without mentioning the elephant in the room .. what if the experts have got it wrong again?
How can you say lockdowns didn’t work? Are you saying that less people would have died without them? You and your like make no allowance for the situation that was faced at the time, not with the hindsight of four years. I can also remember what you were doing at the time lockdowns were introduced - casting around looking for any story you could latch on to so you could argue that COVID was not the killer it turned out to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
One other thing, the BBC were not making up the numbers that were dying back in March and April 2020, just like they didn’t make up the figures behind the link I posted about the temperatures in 2023 - sorry, but when it comes to a choice between experts in the fields of health and meteorology and you, it’s a no brainier.
You must be a better swimmer than me or a faster runner to get to the high ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Locking down healthy people and children did more harm than good , and that was being realised very quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Shirley the fact that Cummings and Ferguson broke the rules very early on suggests that they were not concerned at all ,and knew they would be fine. ( it’s worth pointing out that the two of them were in hourly contact with senior government officials during this time ) Do the maths
Are you forgetting the pandemic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
You and those like you talk as if those making the decisions were thinking that we could lock down for a few months, then carry on as if nothing had happened as soon as it was lifted. It’s the same with vaccines, anyone naive enough to think that there wouldn’t be consequences in years to come to rushing its development through was just being stupid, but the term desperate times call for desperate measures springs to mind and, because of that, I’ve always thought those who were making the decisions at the time should be shown some latitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
As for maths, we’ll never know for sure how many lives were saved or lost by locking down. Your lot are dismissive of modelling done in the weeks before lockdown which predicted how many would die if we did not take some measures or pursued a herd immunity approach, yet I’m sure you’ll seize upon any studies which put a figure on how many lives have been lost as a consequence of lockdown.
The modelling that was done was the brainchild of the same guy who had history of huge miscalculations and it was only AI after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
The fact that the same guy broke the rules within a very short time period of the first lockdown tells you what risk he thought he was taking :hehe: Do the maths.
The first lockdown was probably justified IMHO.
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Originally Posted by TWGL1
At a time when this was the best modelling available to government or the public, and the best set of precautionary measures that could be devised to slow the spread of the virus, a number of prominent politicians and academics acted like selfish, entitled pricks.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
That selfish, arrogant attitude was shared by a minority of the public - a small minority in the first year.
But most people after the first few months knew that healthy, younger people were at a low personal risk of serious illness or death if they caught Covid (not no risk). They followed the guidance because they cared about their family, friends and neighbours - some of whom faced a much greater risk of illness, pain and distress and death if they also acted like selfish, entitled pricks.
You are right about the first lockdown. The UK avoided an Italian-type health service collapse - but only just.
A couple of years old, but i doubt if today's graph would be much different
Imagine being that much of a nutter in the UK you glue yourself to the road for 0.09% :hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:
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I'm not defending glueing oneself to the road but even though we emit 0.09% our government has influence globally, so it's not so fool hardy to lobby our government in order to try and implement change globally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
I don't understand your stance on climate change, you don't seem to deny that the globes warming, you just don't want to do anything about it or live a more clean, sustainable and responsible life.
How the fcuk are they going to do that? The rest of the world are ditching the dollar and joining BRICS. It's only the West that thinks it a good idea commit collective suicide.Quote:
Originally Posted by NinianOpinion1927
thought your post needed some slight alteration
How the fcuk are they going to do that? The rest of the world are ditching the dollar and joining BRICS. It's only the West that thinks it a good idea commit ECONOMIC suicide.