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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
2b2bdoo
He’s not wrong but I don’t think we could have been any worse,
And we are losing. There has to be a reaction, and that's the problem, we are reacting way too much instead of dictating.
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Surely he meant less awful :shrug:
I think a fair bit probably got lost in translation.... including my 'Top manager!' :hehe:
I really don't want the club to be chopping and changing managers all the time, and constantly resetting, but the case for Bulut is not convincing.
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
And we are losing. There has to be a reaction, and that's the problem, we are reacting way too much instead of dictating.
Agreed.
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
I think a fair bit probably got lost in translation.... including my 'Top manager!' :hehe:
I really don't want the club to be chopping and changing managers all the time, and constantly resetting, but the case for Bulut is not convincing.
Well said.
It's probably been said as well but we idon't have 11 players better than Rubin Colwill, and there is no way Turnbull should ever start over him.
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Bowler no fight in him
Colwill is over rated
Except for grant our forward line is shocking
Colwill did the most to drag us back into the game in the second half.
Ramsey apart he's the only midfielder we have who can hold onto the ball under pressure, beat a man (or several) and play defence splitting passes.
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
I think a fair bit probably got lost in translation.... including my 'Top manager!' :hehe:
I really don't want the club to be chopping and changing managers all the time, and constantly resetting, but the case for Bulut is not convincing.
I think the case for the downsides to chopping and changing is more convincing than Bulut's flaws personally. A full summer window out of an embargo is something he's earned in my opinion, a lot on this board had us in the relegation dog fight so he's avoided that comfortably (barring something spectacular).
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
Well said.
It's probably been said as well but we idon't have 11 players better than Rubin Colwill, and there is no way Turnbull should ever start over him.
Problem is Colwill can't last a full game, so I can see why he isn't starting. Working on his endurance should be a priority this summer.
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
I think we as a club have to decide what we want. What do are our goals and how are we going to get there.
Unfortunately football now is a game of money but I always felt clubs who have a distinct idea of what they want as a club have done better. Look at Brentford and Brighton, their models have been to look at obtaining young talented players and growing them to look to sell on as they develop as a club.
We need to decide what our goals are and align our management appointments with that goal. Personally I like Bulut he's done a job off the back of the last 2 woeful seasons, however as a club what direction are we going?
If Cooper is still available I'd go for him.
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
Well said.
It's probably been said as well but we idon't have 11 players better than Rubin Colwill, and there is no way Turnbull should ever start over him.
But Turnbull looked great against Ipswich. I agree with you about not having 11 players better than Colwill but probably not for the same reasons! I just think they are all....the same. :ohwell:
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Der Kaiser
I think the case for the downsides to chopping and changing is more convincing than Bulut's flaws personally. A full summer window out of an embargo is something he's earned in my opinion, a lot on this board had us in the relegation dog fight so he's avoided that comfortably (barring something spectacular).
I don't have it in me to watch that shower of shit again. We've got no style of play (in possession), we sometimes press, and sometimes we don't, we aren't really direct and we aren't a possession team. Basically we're a complete nothing side. There's some aspects of an identity out of possession but in possession we are completely and utterly clueless and in big games, when push comes to shove, you need to lean on that.
Also, I don't think anyone cold say that hand on heart he's improved any of the players bar a couple and that's a maybe. That's the biggest concern for me, nobody is drastically better now than they were in August/September.
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
bluebirds17
I think we as a club have to decide what we want. What do are our goals and how are we going to get there.
Unfortunately football now is a game of money but I always felt clubs who have a distinct idea of what they want as a club have done better. Look at Brentford and Brighton, their models have been to look at obtaining young talented players and growing them to look to sell on as they develop as a club.
We need to decide what our goals are and align our management appointments with that goal. Personally I like Bulut he's done a job off the back of the last 2 woeful seasons, however as a club what direction are we going?
If Cooper is still available I'd go for him.
Nowhere until money is invested seriously, or as you say we focus on developing talent quickly combined with a spread out scouting network.
I'd be all for us getting rid of the academy if none are brought through next season. I've said a few times, the costs associated with running it must be astronomical. Use it or lose it quite literally.
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Citizen's Nephew
But Turnbull looked great against Ipswich. I agree with you about not having 11 players better than Colwill but probably not for the same reasons! I just think they are all....the same. :ohwell:
Turnbull is a tidy footballer but he's not a difference maker. He's really not my cup of tea and does not suit the way Bulut wants to play in my opinion. He needs a lot of good players around him to function, I'd personally play him deeper but that's not going to happen. He's also got cement in his boots.
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Try and be pleasant
That's nigh on impossible for this feckin' moron
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
...and Wales lose 21-24 to Italy (with two very late tries for Wales) to earn the wooden Spoon.....but at least I can see what Gatland is doing in playing the youngsters...one I think who has only played 5 game for Cardiff rugby from the bench.
Bulut now needs to do the same....there is nothing to play for this season...give our youngsters a chance to sink or swim.
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
I don't have it in me to watch that shower of shit again. We've got no style of play (in possession), we sometimes press, and sometimes we don't, we aren't really direct and we aren't a possession team. Basically we're a complete nothing side. There's some aspects of an identity out of possession but in possession we are completely and utterly clueless and in big games, when push comes to shove, you need to lean on that.
Also, I don't think anyone cold say that hand on heart he's improved any of the players bar a couple and that's a maybe. That's the biggest concern for me, nobody is drastically better now than they were in August/September.
Perfect summary. Feel exactly the same.
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Der Kaiser
Nowhere until money is invested seriously, or as you say we focus on developing talent quickly combined with a spread out scouting network.
I'd be all for us getting rid of the academy if none are brought through next season. I've said a few times, the costs associated with running it must be astronomical. Use it or lose it quite literally.
Nobody is spending money. We've just spent 3m on Horvarth and Turnbull allegedly. Swansea just completely ripped us apart with Liam Cullen up top. I'm sorry, it isn't good enough.
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
I don't have it in me to watch that shower of shit again. We've got no style of play (in possession), we sometimes press, and sometimes we don't, we aren't really direct and we aren't a possession team. Basically we're a complete nothing side. There's some aspects of an identity out of possession but in possession we are completely and utterly clueless and in big games, when push comes to shove, you need to lean on that.
Also, I don't think anyone cold say that hand on heart he's improved any of the players bar a couple and that's a maybe. That's the biggest concern for me, nobody is drastically better now than they were in August/September.
I'd agree he probably hasn't, but I'd also counter that he's had to live off the signings of embargoes, average signings by other managers and an average crop of summer loanees. There's only so much improvement that can be done if the players themselves are at their ceiling which is what I see from a few. He does seem to have done well in the January window, the two at the back are much better than those they replaced - the striker and Turnbull the jury is out, think there's a player in Turnbull - he seems to be a bit of a Tomlin from what I can see.
There's only so much loanees and embargoes will get you.
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
ZZ Jack
Two poor teams, with our lot having the luck today. After your performance last week I feared the worse.
Thanks to your successes against the teams below us, you have helped ease our situation this season, so good luck on the run in.
Your manager had us sussed and knew if you attacked us from the off, we'd be on the back foot until the 2nd half, usually until about the 70th minute, when Bulut actually decides to unleash some players with attacking flair. Luke Williams: had us well read today.
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Der Kaiser
I'd agree he probably hasn't, but I'd also counter that he's had to live off the signings of embargoes, average signings by other managers and an average crop of summer loanees. There's only so much improvement that can be done if the players themselves are at their ceiling which is what I see from a few. He does seem to have done well in the January window, the two at the back are much better than those they replaced - the striker and Turnbull the jury is out, think there's a player in Turnbull - he seems to be a bit of a Tomlin from what I can see.
There's only so much loanees and embargoes will get you.
Swansea are a dreadful side and they completely bossed today. Williams ran rings round Bulut. He's had 8 games and they have a clear idea of what they're doing. What are we? 38 games in and I don't really know apart from insipid. In possession, we are a complete and utter joke. The players aren't this bad, this comes down to tactics and a complete lack of identity.
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
'Some of my players went hiding'. Bulut gave a brutal assessment of his team's performance in the derby defeat against Swansea - particularly their dire first half showing
https://nation.cymru/sport/erol-bulu...ng-derby-game/
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Maurice Swan
...and Wales lose 21-24 to Italy (with two very late tries for Wales) to earn the wooden Spoon.....but at least I can see what Gatland is doing in playing the youngsters...one I think who has only played 5 game for Cardiff rugby from the bench.
Bulut now needs to do the same....there is nothing to play for this season...give our youngsters a chance to sink or swim.
I agree because the prospect of watching this lot performing with nothing on the game is frightening.
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
Well said.
It's probably been said as well but we idon't have 11 players better than Rubin Colwill, and there is no way Turnbull should ever start over him.
Some sense at last.
Colwill has his faults but he at least offers us something and in fairness to him almost always looks to go forward.
I can say any of that about Turnbull yet. He just looks like the next Richard Langley to me.
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
My final word on Colwill in this thread, he got City man of the match on Wales Online with seven out of ten, but I’m surprised that no one appears to have mentioned that he missed what I thought was our best chance of the match - his finishing is an aspect of his game which appears to going backwards..
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Bobby Dandruff
Some sense at last.
Colwill has his faults but he at least offers us something and in fairness to him almost always looks to go forward.
I can say any of that about Turnbull yet. He just looks like the next Richard Langley to me.
Come on Bobby....stop sitting on the fence. Tell us what you really think about Turnbull! :tongue:
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Citizen's Nephew
But Turnbull looked great against Ipswich. I agree with you about not having 11 players better than Colwill but probably not for the same reasons! I just think they are all....the same. :ohwell:
I’m sorry but Turnbull did not look great against Ipswich. He really didn’t - he merely ran about and contributed almost nothing.
He was subbed in the second half and surprise surprise we looked a lot better and scored twice.
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
Swansea are a dreadful side and they completely bossed today. Williams ran rings round Bulut. He's had 8 games and they have a clear idea of what they're doing. What are we? 38 games in and I don't really know apart from insipid. In possession, we are a complete and utter joke. The players aren't this bad, this comes down to tactics and a complete lack of identity.
100% ab-so-feckin-lutely
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
My final word on Colwill in this thread, he got City man of the match on Wales Online with seven out of ten, but I’m surprised that no one appears to have mentioned that he missed what I thought was our best chance of the match - his finishing is an aspect of his game which appears to going backwards..
Said it before but would like to see Rubin as the 9
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Der Kaiser
I like Bulut, but what's the point of that. Just accept the result was deserved due to a poor performance and being completely out thought by the opposition manager.
Hate it when managers try to shift some of the blame in results like this, where it really didn't make any difference.
I thought the officials got most the calls right.
Meite would have walked with most refs
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
ccfcbluebird
Try taking the blame for once Bulut, with you negative starting 11 and awful tactics. It was case, well if we can frustrate the jacks for 70mins then we can throw on a couple of flair players and nick a goal and win. Sadly for us, Luke Williams: had you sussed out!
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
He needs to f uck off.
When he finally got the players on he should have started with, as usual….
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Bobby Dandruff
Some sense at last.
Colwill has his faults but he at least offers us something and in fairness to him almost always looks to go forward.
I can say any of that about Turnbull yet. He just looks like the next Richard Langley to me.
Oh come on, you've now condemned Turnbull to having to be subbed because he's fallen over and poked himself in the eye!
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Bobby Dandruff
I’m sorry but Turnbull did not look great against Ipswich. He really didn’t - he merely ran about and contributed almost nothing.
He was subbed in the second half and surprise surprise we looked a lot better and scored twice.
I may have overused the word great. :thumbup:
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
WJ99mobile
I thought the officials got most the calls right.
Meite would have walked with most refs
Agreed, though Darling was an absolute prat, Meite is off in most games. One of the better officiating performances I've seen in a while.
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
My final word on Colwill in this thread, he got City man of the match on Wales Online with seven out of ten, but I’m surprised that no one appears to have mentioned that he missed what I thought was our best chance of the match - his finishing is an aspect of his game which appears to going backwards..
For someone who is a good striker of the ball, it seems to desert him when he needs it most. I agree with you, it is going backwards too but he does tend to lean back when he strikes the ball. I remember him nearly clearing the ball out of the back of the Canton stand vs Huddersfield in the Moore comeback win.
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Der Kaiser
Agreed, though Darling was an absolute prat, Meite is off in most games. One of the better officiating performances I've seen in a while.
Darling was a prat but it's his job to be a professional prat. He played Meite brilliantly and anyone else who came near him. Ng has done the same for us many times. It's part of the game and for players to deal with it. They played as a team. Even to the point of targeting Meite after the yellow.
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
Swansea are a dreadful side and they completely bossed today. Williams ran rings round Bulut. He's had 8 games and they have a clear idea of what they're doing. What are we? 38 games in and I don't really know apart from insipid. In possession, we are a complete and utter joke. The players aren't this bad, this comes down to tactics and a complete lack of identity.
Trying to be impartial here, I agree he was completely out thought by Williams - but you look at who we have in midfield and attack... Wintle, Tanner, Bowler, Meite, and then the injured Etete and Robinson are all absolutely bang average. Our 3 best midfielders have been injured or injury prone all season. Diedhiou and Turnbull only arrived 6 weeks ago. You work with what you have, the players that have featured most prominently wouldn't be picked up by a team pushing for promotion, which we never were, because of the embargo. Simple as that.
I don't expect us to sign like madmen this summer, but we will have more free reign to sign players Bulut actually wants. I do agree tactically he has been exposed a few times this season, but he's also done a number on a few teams.
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Citizen's Nephew
Darling was a prat but it's his job to be a professional prat. He played Meite brilliantly and anyone else who came near him. Ng has done the same for us many times. It's part of the game and for players to deal with it. They played as a team. Even to the point of targeting Meite after the yellow.
:thumbup:
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
Meite should have had a red for the head butt- it was embarrassing from darling but we all know the rules and if it wasn't a Derby he'd have been off.
However then that 2nd yellow! You won't see a much clearer yellow than that! He should definitely have been sent off at least once if not twice.
How the ref can even be mentioned by anyone when looking at why we lost is beyond me.
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Der Kaiser
Trying to be impartial here, I agree he was completely out thought by Williams - but you look at who we have in midfield and attack... Wintle, Tanner, Bowler, Meite, and then the injured Etete and Robinson are all absolutely bang average. Our 3 best midfielders have been injured or injury prone all season. Diedhiou and Turnbull only arrived 6 weeks ago. You work with what you have, the players that have featured most prominently wouldn't be picked up by a team pushing for promotion, which we never were, because of the embargo. Simple as that.
I don't expect us to sign like madmen this summer, but we will have more free reign to sign players Bulut actually wants. I do agree tactically he has been exposed a few times this season, but he's also done a number on a few teams.
They had Liam Cullen and Platecha in the front 3, Joe Allen can't move and Paterson isn't special. We didn't get outclassed by a team of world beaters, far from it.
I don't want to give Bulut money because I don't trust him to use it well. I think this is the style he wants to play and it doesn't work. The majority of our wins this season are where we've done a job on sides. A goal from a set piece and then we've defended resolutely. There's more to football than that, and it also won't work long term. I don't think we've come away from too many defeats thinking "we were unlucky there" but there are a load of our wins when you think, how the hell did we win that? PNE, Sheff Wed, Ipswich, Sunderland etc.
I don't want us to have to rip up and start again but I literally cannot be bothered to watch that for another season. It isn't fun and before anyone says it, Warnock had a clear plan and the football was a lot better than this.
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Re: FT: SWANSEA CITY 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
They had Liam Cullen and Platecha in the front 3, Joe Allen can't move and Paterson isn't special. We didn't get outclassed by a team of world beaters, far from it.
I don't want to give Bulut money because I don't trust him to use it well. I think this is the style he wants to play and it doesn't work. The majority of our wins this season are where we've done a job on sides. A goal from a set piece and then we've defended resolutely. There's more to football than that, and it also won't work long term. I don't think we've come away from too many defeats thinking "we were unlucky there" but there are a load of our wins when you think, how the hell did we win that? PNE, Sheff Wed, Ipswich, Sunderland etc.
I don't want us to have to rip up and start again but I literally cannot be bothered to watch that for another season. It isn't fun and before anyone says it, Warnock had a clear plan and the football was a lot better than this.
I just don't see how he can be ousted having done what was expected with minimal finances. I don't believe we'd get anyone better, nor do I think anyone else could've got this club to safety with 8 games to go. I couldn't care less about the style of football if it's working, it has worked this season, as the objective was stay up.