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Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?
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Originally Posted by
az city
Aren't you the fruit loop who claims to eschew organized religion? You seem to be quoting from extremely dubious sections of their fairy stories book quite liberally. Are you confused?
Jesus quoted from the same book and He was hated by religious people.
Also, by what means do you conclude that certain sections of God's Word are dubious?
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Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?
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Originally Posted by
truthpaste
Jesus quoted from the same book and He was hated by religious people.
Also, by what means do you conclude that certain sections of God's Word are dubious?
And what good it do him.:thumbup:
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Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?
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Originally Posted by
truthpaste
Jesus quoted from the same book and He was hated by religious people.
Also, by what means do you conclude that certain sections of God's Word are dubious?
Where would you like to start? How about the start of "genesis" (from NIV)? I quote (I believe the numbers are "days"):
"1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
a. So, if "god" created the heavens and the earth, presumably that included our star and the other stars? So why did he need to create light?
b. And if he did create light later, why didn't he do that first so that he wasn't working in the dark?
c. If the earth was "formless and empty", how was there a "surface of the deep" which means a sea?
No need to respond - it's clearly a made-for-idiots fairy story.
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Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?
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Originally Posted by
az city
Where would you like to start? How about the start of "genesis" (from NIV)? I quote (I believe the numbers are "days"):
"1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
a. So, if "god" created the heavens and the earth, presumably that included our star and the other stars? So why did he need to create light?
b. And if he did create light later, why didn't he do that first so that he wasn't working in the dark?
c. If the earth was "formless and empty", how was there a "surface of the deep" which means a sea?
No need to respond - it's clearly a made-for-idiots fairy story.
Your "no need to respond" says it all, you want to ask questions but fear any answers that would validate God's Word, that's known as burying your head in the sand.
If you'd read Genesis chapter 1 then you may have asked how the vegetation (verse 11) could grow before the sun was created (verse 16), however like all your other questions there is an answer, God produced light in verse 3.
Like any master worker, God doesn't tell us every single detail and isn't obliged to do so, however by the time we have finished the 1189 chapters of His writings to us, we have rock solid reasons to not only trust Him, but to have serious dealings with Him:-
Sir William Thomson, Lord Kelvin (1824-1907), physics
Formulator of the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics.
"Do not be afraid of being free thinkers. If you think strongly enough you will be forced by science to the belief in God, which is the foundation of all Religion. You will find science not antagonistic, but helpful to Religion".
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Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?
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Originally Posted by
truthpaste
Your "no need to respond" says it all, you want to ask questions but fear any answers that would validate God's Word, that's known as burying your head in the sand.
If you'd read Genesis chapter 1 then you may have asked how the vegetation (verse 11) could grow before the sun was created (verse 16), however like all your other questions there is an answer, God produced light in verse 3.
Like any master worker, God doesn't tell us every single detail and isn't obliged to do so, however by the time we have finished the 1189 chapters of His writings to us, we have rock solid reasons to not only trust Him, but to have serious dealings with Him:-
Sir William Thomson, Lord Kelvin (1824-1907), physics
Formulator of the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics.
"Do not be afraid of being free thinkers. If you think strongly enough you will be forced by science to the belief in God, which is the foundation of all Religion. You will find science not antagonistic, but helpful to Religion".
Your answers would validate your "god"'s word? That's surely blasphemy. You're doomed.
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Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?
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Originally Posted by
truthpaste
Your "no need to respond" says it all, you want to ask questions but fear any answers that would validate God's Word, that's known as burying your head in the sand.
If you'd read Genesis chapter 1 then you may have asked how the vegetation (verse 11) could grow before the sun was created (verse 16), however like all your other questions there is an answer, God produced light in verse 3.
Like any master worker, God doesn't tell us every single detail and isn't obliged to do so, however by the time we have finished the 1189 chapters of His writings to us, we have rock solid reasons to not only trust Him, but to have serious dealings with Him:-
Sir William Thomson, Lord Kelvin (1824-1907), physics
Formulator of the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics.
"Do not be afraid of being free thinkers. If you think strongly enough you will be forced by science to the belief in God, which is the foundation of all Religion. You will find science not antagonistic, but helpful to Religion".
Haven't you spent the last 13 years telling us that 'religion' is the invention of the devil?
That only you and your fellow cultists are real 'Christians'?
Tying yourself in knots again with the Kelvin quote. Time to go back to the good book for a refresh: 'Trolling for Beginners'!
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Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
Haven't you spent the last 13 years telling us that 'religion' is the invention of the devil?
That only you and your fellow cultists are real 'Christians'?
Tying yourself in knots again with the Kelvin quote. Time to go back to the good book for a refresh: 'Trolling for Beginners'!
Time to get a better dictionary, the quote is from the 1800's when religion meant something far more valuable than the man-made garbage shared by many today. Back to your Guardian good fellow, which changes it's views more often than you think.
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Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?
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Originally Posted by
truthpaste
With just 8 months to go until the USA make a decision that could also impact NATO and the conflicts in the Middle East & Ukraine, the internet is red hot re the completion of an "X" drawn by two rare eclipses that have been seven years in the making, particularly with it's completion arriving in 2024, a critical time in American history.
As is always the case, there's a lot of drivel being shared on this too; yet is ALL of it froth? Or is this a warning that as this
X marks at area known as "Little Egypt" - which is overdue a major seismic event and sits smack on top of the 'New Madrid Seismic Zone' - does this mean that the USA is due for more than just political world headlines in 2024?
Attachment 6107
What happened in the end?
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Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?
Nothing,he is just like the guy in 1968 outside the ground "the end of the world is nigh if you do not repent"
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Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
Haven't you spent the last 13 years telling us that 'religion' is the invention of the devil?
That only you and your fellow cultists are real 'Christians'?
Tying yourself in knots again with the Kelvin quote. Time to go back to the good book for a refresh: 'Trolling for Beginners'!
Interesting info about Kelvin
Earlier in his career he stated "This earth, certainly a moderate number of millions of years ago, was a red-hot globe ..".
His initial 1864 estimate of Earth's age was from 20 to 400 million years old.
In 1897 Kelvin, settled on an estimate that Earth was 20–40 million years old.
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Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?
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Originally Posted by
Taunton Blue Genie
Interesting info about Kelvin
Earlier in his career he stated "This earth, certainly a moderate number of millions of years ago, was a red-hot globe ..".
His initial 1864 estimate of Earth's age was from 20 to 400 million years old.
In 1897 Kelvin, settled on an estimate that Earth was 20–40 million years old.
So specific, talk about shooting in the dark! :hehe:
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Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?
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Originally Posted by
truthpaste
So specific, talk about shooting in the dark! :hehe:
You quoted him in the first place. How do those quotations stack up against your understanding of the age of the Earth?
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Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?
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Originally Posted by
Taunton Blue Genie
You quoted him in the first place. How do those quotations stack up against your understanding of the age of the Earth?
The Earth and the Universe are measured by scientists (not very accurately) to be billions of years old. While their estimates vary across billlions of years I am not too bothered by such blunt results and am happy to accept the age they appear to be as roughly accurate.
So your camp would immediately reply with something like - 'so then the Bible in Genesis and the entire OT chronology must be wrong so God could not have inspired it because He doesn't make mistakes according to your understanding'.
It's an understandable leap but also a leap into the dark, you see Adam was created a mature man, Eve a mature women, in other words they were along the usual life cycle when they appeared on Earth. Technically you could have met Adam (using a time machine!) and ask him how old he was, and he could have told you (while looking around 30) that he was three days old.
In a similar way you could have walked into the wedding in John 2, in Cana in Galilee. You would drink the wine and estimate it to be maybe 5-10 years of age, yet it was only minutes old because Christ turned water into that wine five minutes before you arrived.
So you see the Universe may have the appearance of a very old age, but in fact it doesn't actually need to be any older or younger than the Bible says it is.
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Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?
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Originally Posted by
truthpaste
The Earth and the Universe are measured by scientists (not very accurately) to be billions of years old. While their estimates vary across billlions of years I am not too bothered by such blunt results and am happy to accept the age they appear to be as roughly accurate.
So your camp would immediately reply with something like - 'so then the Bible in Genesis and the entire OT chronology must be wrong so God could not have inspired it because He doesn't make mistakes according to your understanding'.
It's an understandable leap but also a leap into the dark, you see Adam was created a mature man, Eve a mature women, in other words they were along the usual life cycle when they appeared on Earth. Technically you could have met Adam (using a time machine!) and ask him how old he was, and he could have told you (while looking around 30) that he was three days old.
In a similar way you could have walked into the wedding in
John 2, in Cana in Galilee. You would drink the wine and estimate it to be maybe 5-10 years of age, yet it was only minutes old because Christ turned water into that wine five minutes before you arrived.
So you see the Universe may have the appearance of a very old age, but in fact it doesn't actually need to be any older or younger than the Bible says it is.
Another load of made up stories.
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Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?
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Originally Posted by
jeepster
Another load of made up stories.
Yet an unproven story like evolution you accept gladly. No prizes for guessing why!
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Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?
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Originally Posted by
truthpaste
Yet an unproven story like evolution you accept gladly. No prizes for guessing why!
Yet your stories have no foundation other than a book of fables.
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Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?
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Originally Posted by
truthpaste
Yet an unproven story like evolution you accept gladly. No prizes for guessing why!
Maybe because it is a way of explaining (or trying to explain) the world around us without recourse to credulous, lame-brained belief in magic to produce an answer? Just a thought.
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Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
Maybe because it is a way of explaining (or trying to explain) the world around us without recourse to credulous, lame-brained belief in magic to produce an answer? Just a thought.
As you say - 'trying to explain'.
In fact it's attempting to create a narritive that circumnavigates the key creator and sustainer of the universe. This would be helpful for you and others like you who wish to live this life and have no eternal repercussions; unfortunately knowledge doubles around every 9 months and evolution (unlike God's account) has been left behind; still unverified, somewhat unconvincing and as a consequence sadly unwell.
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Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?
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Originally Posted by
truthpaste
As you say - 'trying to explain'.
In fact it's attempting to create a narritive that circumnavigates the key creator and sustainer of the universe. This would be helpful for you and others like you who wish to live this life and have no eternal repercussions; unfortunately knowledge doubles around every 9 months and evolution (unlike God's account) has been left behind; still unverified, somewhat unconvincing and as a consequence sadly unwell.
This pile of cobblers is crying out for a Sludge reply.
Come back Sludge - there's a fish in a barrel here waiting for both barrels! :xmashehe:
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Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?
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Originally Posted by
truthpaste
As you say - 'trying to explain'.
In fact it's attempting to create a narritive that circumnavigates the key creator and sustainer of the universe. This would be helpful for you and others like you who wish to live this life and have no eternal repercussions; unfortunately knowledge doubles around every 9 months and evolution (unlike God's account) has been left behind; still unverified, somewhat unconvincing and as a consequence sadly unwell.
Are you sober or stop injecting it is deadly in the end.
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Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?
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Originally Posted by
jeepster
Are you sober or stop injecting it is deadly in the end.
Stone cold sober like these guys:-
From Acts Chapter2:
14 Then Peter stepped forward with the eleven other apostles and shouted to the crowd, “Listen carefully, all of you, fellow Jews and residents of Jerusalem! Make no mistake about this.
15 These people are not drunk, as some of you are assuming. Nine o’clock in the morning is much too early for that. 16 No, what you see was predicted long ago by the prophet Joel:
17 ‘In the last days,’ God says,
‘I will pour out my Spirit upon all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy.
Your young men will see visions,
and your old men will dream dreams.
18 In those days I will pour out my Spirit
even on my servants—men and women alike—
and they will prophesy.
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Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?
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Originally Posted by
truthpaste
Stone cold sober like these guys:-
From Acts Chapter2:
14 Then Peter stepped forward with the eleven other apostles and shouted to the crowd, “Listen carefully, all of you, fellow Jews and residents of Jerusalem! Make no mistake about this.
15 These people are not drunk, as some of you are assuming. Nine o’clock in the morning is much too early for that. 16 No, what you see was predicted long ago by the prophet Joel:
17 ‘In the last days,’ God says,
‘I will pour out my Spirit upon all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy.
Your young men will see visions,
and your old men will dream dreams.
18 In those days I will pour out my Spirit
even on my servants—men and women alike—
and they will prophesy.
Again from hearsay,can you not see it is a load of bollocks
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Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?
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Originally Posted by
jeepster
Again from hearsay,can you not see it is a load of bollocks
If 12 people left a room and started talking just nonsense (as you suggest) then why has that message endured, impacted billions of lives and why by 2023 were almost 1/3 of the planet transformed by that same teaching?
"As of 2023, there are approximately 2.4 billion Christians in the world, making Christianity the world's largest religion. This is about 31.2% of the world's population"
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Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?
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Originally Posted by
truthpaste
If 12 people left a room and started talking just nonsense (as you suggest) then why has that message endured, impacted billions of lives and why by 2023 were almost 1/3 of the planet transformed by that same teaching?
"As of 2023, there are approximately 2.4 billion Christians in the world, making Christianity the world's largest religion. This is about 31.2% of the world's population"
If you're going by popularity, Islam is catching up fast and will overtake Christianity this century.
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Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?
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Originally Posted by
lardy
If you're going by popularity, Islam is catching up fast and will overtake Christianity this century.
I don't think that truthpaste thinks things through. The majority of the population on the world come under his category of anti-Christ but he is hardly going to concede that popularity is the arbiter of truth in that respect.
Very often his logic is outrageously silly.
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Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?
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Originally Posted by
lardy
If you're going by popularity, Islam is catching up fast and will overtake Christianity this century.
I'm not going by popularity, those on the broad road to disaster are treading the boards of popularity, they are in a majority.
My comment was made simply to demonstrate that Jeepsters comment was complete garbage.
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[QUOTE=truthpaste;5563638] why by 2023 were almost 1/3 of the planet transformed by that same teaching?
Why? because it's all part of a brain-washing exercise by the authorities to subjugate the masses of course. :wink:
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[QUOTE=Gofer Blue;5563776]
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Originally Posted by
truthpaste
why by 2023 were almost 1/3 of the planet transformed by that same teaching?
Why? because it's all part of a brain-washing exercise by the authorities to subjugate the masses of course. :wink:
Indeed :xmasthumbup:
