The word zeitgeist - no doubt you're aware of the meaning - springs to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
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The word zeitgeist - no doubt you're aware of the meaning - springs to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Cui bono?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I'd also add agenda driven far left Antifa supporting anti-Trump liberals to your list just for completeness :wink:
Hence why I said at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
You stick with your "feelings" and I'll stick to what mine, backed up by expert knowledge (which I don't see on the other side of the argument), are telling me.
What list?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
The agenda driven alt right speculators and the qualified people.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
We built 5 hospitals for 5000 + which only handled a couple of hundred which expert knowledge said we would need. They talk about a second wave but there's no scientific evidence there will be one, etc, etc. But you're right to a degree, it is to a degree, political. S.A.G.E. is a collection of left-leaning figures who have at every opportunity tried to hold back the Country returning to normal, save lives of Cancer patients etc, peoples' well-being, the jobs of the working class, - actions of those who believe 100% in the State, and the other side the pragmatists and realists who are at heart libertarians.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Er, I think I put them as two lists of one :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Didn't you get a lot of replies about the scientific basis for a second wave in response to your last post that there's no scientific basis for a second wave?
Although I count getting those 5 hospitals built as a rare Government success story in their response to the virus, I do wonder about the contradiction which, on the one hand, has the Chief Scientific adviser saying that 20,000 deaths would be a good outcome and on the other having twice as many (according to official figures that, by almost universal agreement, represent perhaps are as little as 66% of the real figure) die and yet the existing intensive care capacity was able to cope when the numbers being admitted to hospital, and dying, were at their highest.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
I'm not sure there is much evidence to back up your contention that SAGE is "a collection of left leaning figures" - I note there is an alternative SAGE committee which strikes me as fitting that description though.
In any case, the three links I posted were from a British magazine, an Asian magazine and an American university - as far as I'm aware, they were all written by people with no connection to SAGE.
Fair enough, we'll disagree. Anyway I'm sceptical - of most things, and unlike today's society I don't worship at the altar of the scientists. Until the Age of Enlightenment if the Church said something you would accept it without question. In an increasingly secular world we've found a new source to bow down to and accept their 'wisdom' without question or debate. If the prevailing scientists say something, it must be right - because they're the experts..Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
It's mad how people made their mind up at the start of March and won't change it inspite of all the evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
If you don't believe politicians, you don't believe the church and you don't believe scientists/experts - who is left? The media? I can't see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
There are lots of fingers in the pie :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
The truth is in there somewhere if you know where to look.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
His gut?Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
More weekend figures, but no deaths in Scotland for a second successive day and only eighteen new cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I don't necessarily dis-believe those, just question what we're told. Remember those who questioned the "weapons of mass destruction" claims, were considered bonkers etc. - 90% of the media swallowed it and reported it - until recently - as fact..Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Is that the best example? I remember mass outcry and demonstrations in hundreds of cities. It's been called the biggest protest in history.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Trump colluding with Russia is one of the best examples, and you would be surprised by how many suckers fell for that one! In fact, I know a few of them :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Just 55 UK deaths (3 in Wales) announced today and there were just over 1,200 new cases - the new cases figures do not seem to be as effected by it being a weekend as the death ones are and with it being a fortnight since the bank holiday, you'd like to think any increase as a result of all of those crowded beaches would be appearing by now.
That would be good news, I was hoping the bank holiday wouldn't have too much of an effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Until recently?Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
No-one is saying that are they? Scientists act on the data that is available at the time. Scepticism isn't about boldly arguing against facts and then underlining the flawed argument with "I am a sceptic, I question things". You needed to add the words "I am a sceptic. I question things that go against my own narrative and beliefs". Which, doesn't make you a sceptic at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
According to 3M research, whether they describe themselves as sceptics or not, 45% of people only believe in science that aligns with their personal beliefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
Ditto the chemical weapons inspectors in Syria who became whistleblowers. You just have to accept that people are incredibly gullible and they will believe absolutely anything, even the ones who think they are really smart :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
I refuse to believe that. :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
I think it was somewhere buried in this thread that the government were paying the tabloids to print advertising that looked like editorial.
apparently they paid £35 million for it
https://www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis...mpression=true
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52968523
Lockdown saved millions of lives.
Did anyone see Mr Drakeford yesterday? He intimated that the 5 mile rule could be enforced for up to 12 more weeks. The man is an idiot. People won't sit still for it when they see what people in England are allowed to do.
He also said that there will be no large gatherings until 2021 for sport or anything. What is that going to do for City if English clubs can have some supporters but City none at home?
However much money Tan may have this has a good chance of ruining the club financially. But he doesn't care about that, he keeps telling us "people are talking to us and telling us this that and the other" well it certainly isn't anyone I know.
He is so parochial, his aura even when you watch him on TV is dreadful. As a leader he looks and sounds like a tired waiter. If he keeps on he will destroy the welsh economy for years and years to come, with his "Slow and cautious" actions and his "Local" mantra.
Is the majority of the population adhering to the ‘5 mile local’ rule then?Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
I don’t think City are high in his list of priorities butt.:biggrin:
I know they are not (And that answers both your questions lol)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
But when it becomes clear will he give in or tell the police to be more aggressive with their fines. The thing with football goes back to what I said some time ago when he first diverged from what England was doing. It is a mind set of some people that anything that is pleasurable must be wrong and if they can stop it they should. Some people believe that all pubs should be closed and never allowed to reopen, and it is those kinds of people who tend to be most vociferous and "talk" to the government. They don't care if it ruins businesses and people livelihood because it doesn't affect them. As I said, he is parochial. Sadly he is in the position where he has the last word. I think, although I don't know many of the AMs but there must be better than him, and I beleive that in this situation he is probably the worst person we could have in charge.
You keep saying this but I've literally never heard it uttered by a single person.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Me neither, why would people want that even if they don't go to pubs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
some people are saying the world is flat, 5G causes coronavirus and lizards control the worldQuote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
you should try living in a place like Llandaff lol. The other day someone called the police because the pub was serving take-away beers and they objected to people walking in the street carrying beer police came and agreed with the landlord that he was within his right but asked him to stop "For now" because "these people" will call everyone in any authority to make it happen and just cause more trouble. Believe me there are a lot of very sad and miserable people in this placeQuote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
I have not heard one person say it, every single person I know is desperate for pubs to open.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Yeah but that's very different to the pubs actually being open isn't it? If you've jumped to "some people believe that all pubs should be closed and never allowed to reopen" from incidents like that then it explains a lot about a lot of your big statements in other postsQuote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
But there really are people like that, and they do hold undue influence with the powers that be. You may choose not to believe it if you wish.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
That's a load of complete bollocksQuote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Thank you, I choose not to believe your entirely made up thingQuote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle