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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Nothing sticks,nothing that proves anything was wrongly done,its not unlawful to pay for the silences or allegations of someone in the USA is it ?
It has to be proved I guess that actual election campaign monies were used.
In terms of Russia , why hasn't that be found and exposed yet ,is it actually there ?.
'Cohen pleaded guilty to two counts of making contributions in excess of $25,000 for the purpose of influencing a federal election.
Trump's former lawyer told a federal court on Tuesday that he made two payments, one for $150,000 in the summer of 2016 and another in Oct. 2016 of $130,000, both at the direction of Trump. The payments were to former Playboy model Karen McDougal and adult-film actress Stormy Daniels, both of whom have claimed to have had affairs with Trump. The president has denied those allegations.
Cohen also filed invoices to the Trump Organization to be reimbursed for those payments, masking them as services rendered for 2017 even though he did not provide legal services to the president that year.
The crimes carry a maximum sentence of 65 years, but sentencing guidelines recommend 46-63 months of prison time'
I've highlighted the key points for you. The crime would have apparently been to a lesser degree if they had actually used campaign funds. Trump has now categorically said, on camera, that campaign funds were not used, possibly incriminating himself even further.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...lations-791377
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
'Cohen pleaded guilty to two counts of making contributions in excess of $25,000
for the purpose of influencing a federal election.
Trump's former lawyer told a federal court on Tuesday that he made two payments, one for $150,000 in the summer of 2016 and another in Oct. 2016 of $130,000,
both at the direction of Trump. The payments were to former Playboy model Karen McDougal and adult-film actress Stormy Daniels, both of whom have claimed to have had affairs with Trump. The president has denied those allegations.
Cohen also filed invoices to the Trump Organization to be reimbursed for those payments,
masking them as services rendered for 2017 even though he did not provide legal services to the president that year.
The crimes carry a maximum sentence of 65 years, but sentencing guidelines recommend 46-63 months of prison time'
I've highlighted the key points for you. The crime would have apparently been to a lesser degree if they had actually used campaign funds. Trump has now categorically said, on camera, that campaign funds were not used, possibly incriminating himself even further.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...lations-791377
So Trump is going to jail for 65 years? Hillary had better dust off her cowboy boots then :biggrin:
BTW why did Dershowitz say it is perfectly normal to payoff people to avoid damaging publicity, in this case to his wife and family?
Anyway, the proof of the pudding will be found in a Trump prosecution, if and when it occurs.
*post bookmarked
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
So Trump is going to jail for 65 years? Hillary had better dust off her cowboy boots then :biggrin:
BTW why did Dershowitz say it is perfectly normal to payoff people to avoid damaging publicity, in this case to his wife and family?
Anyway, the proof of the pudding will be found in a Trump prosecution, if and when it occurs.
*post bookmarked
Trust you to find the part of the post where you can exaggerate for effect. Nobody is suggesting that, are they?
Once again, why are you asking me why somebody said something? I'd hazard a guess that the author of a book titled 'The Case Against Impeaching Trump!' may have a horse in the race though... Who knows?
It's all very exciting though :biggrin:
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Nothing sticks,nothing that proves anything was wrongly done,its not unlawful to pay for the silences or allegations of someone in the USA is it ?
It has to be proved I guess that actual election campaign monies were used.
In terms of Russia , why hasn't that be found and exposed yet ,is it actually there ?.
These cases were never about Russia.
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Wales-Bales
So did Mueller fire his cannon or his pea-shooter? What do you reckon?
I haven’t accused Trump of collusion. That’s down to the investigation that’s being carried out which is still ongoing. What this investigation is showing is that a number of people have committed criminal acts which they deserve to be punished for.
What I find quite shameful is that a President of the USA is criticising his own judicial system and expressing sympathy for a convicted criminal.
Not right surely?
https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/sta...56443985084417
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Judicial system in USA is corupt and he's exposing it, along with the hypocrisy of the left and their media propaganda that they control
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Rogersblue
Judicial system in USA is corupt and he's exposing it, along with the hypocrisy of the left and their media propaganda that they control
:hehe: Brilliant
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Rogersblue
Judicial system in USA is corupt and he's exposing it, along with the hypocrisy of the left and their media propaganda that they control
Thanks for that 😂😂😂
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Oops, missed out, too the sheep bit
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Originally Posted by
lardy
These cases were never about Russia.
Attorney and Clinton advisor Lanny Davis who is representing Michael Cohen pro bono (for free), is co-founder and partner of the law firm of Davis Goldberg & Galper. According to FARA records his firm is a registered ACTIVE foreign agent for Ukrainian oligarch Dmytro Firtash, who is a close ally of Russian pres Vladimir Putin and is wanted by the US. Firtash was indicted by a US grand jury for allegedly conspiring to pay millions of dollars in bribes to Indian officials through US banks. He is also a former associate of Paul Manafort!
These cases were never about Russia? Oh yeah? :sherlock:
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Rogersblue
Oops, missed out, too the sheep bit
That's deep. "Too the sheep bit". Was that Wordsworth or Keates?
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Attorney and Clinton advisor Lanny Davis who is representing Michael Cohen pro bono (for free), is co-founder and partner of the law firm of Davis Goldberg & Galper. According to FARA records his firm is a registered ACTIVE foreign agent for Ukrainian oligarch Dmytro Firtash, who is a close ally of Russian pres Vladimir Putin and is wanted by the US. Firtash was indicted by a US grand jury for allegedly conspiring to pay millions of dollars in bribes to Indian officials through US banks. He is also a former associate of Paul Manafort!
These cases were never about Russia? Oh yeah? :sherlock:
https://mobile.twitter.com/JordanSch...ed-to-putin%2F
So what?
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Conflict of interest. He represents a billionaire who would benefit from Trump being removed from office. Why are these people always connected? Or is it just another coincidence?
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Conflict of interest. He represents a billionaire who would benefit from Trump being removed from office. Why are these people always connected? Or is it just another coincidence?
How would the "billionaire" benefit from Trump being removed from office?
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
How would the "billionaire" benefit from Trump being removed from office?
I'll leave that one for you to work out :biggrin:
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
I'll leave that one for you to work out :biggrin:
No, come on. You said "He represents a billionaire who would benefit from Trump being removed from office."
How did you work that one out?
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
No, come on. You said "He represents a billionaire who would benefit from Trump being removed from office."
How did you work that one out?
Come on man, you have to up your game a bit :biggrin:
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Come on man, you have to up your game a bit :biggrin:
Oh, we're playing this game are we? :hehe:
If you're gonna make shit up, like this 'revelation' being important for some reason, at least have the courage in your convictions to follow through with the bullshit.
'Fake News' again :biggrin:
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Some actual news today:
'Donald Trump says 'flipping' "almost ought to be illegal' Trump says 'flipping' in criminal cases should be illegal and warns against impeachment
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...y_to_clipboard
'Donald Trump's say impeaching him would cause the market to crash'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45285585
'Donald Trump 'blasts' his AG appointment, Jeff Sessions, for not "taking control" of the Justice Department and rescusing himself from the Russia investigation'
https://nypost.com/2018/08/23/trump-...f-man-is-this/
Does this sound like a man who is as confident as Gluey that everything is going to be ok? :biggrin:
Also... :hehe:
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Oh, we're playing this game are we? :hehe:
If you're gonna make shit up, like this 'revelation' being important for some reason, at least have the courage in your convictions to follow through with the bullshit.
'Fake News' again :biggrin:
The way I see it, all the players on each side have to protect each other. If one domino falls, they all fall. Regarding the Russians, there are plenty involved, they just haven't disclosed who is doing what yet.
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Heisenberg
I never said anything is going to be ok, I am just observing the latest developments as things rummble on. It's quite a dirty game that is being played out in front of us, with so many players involved. I don't think anybody can predict the ending.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Some actual news today:
'Donald Trump says 'flipping' "almost ought to be illegal' Trump says 'flipping' in criminal cases should be illegal and warns against impeachment'
'Donald Trump's say impeaching him would cause the market to crash'
'Donald Trump 'blasts' his AG appointment, Jeff Sessions, for not "taking control" of the Justice Department and rescusing himself from the Russia investigation'
Donald Trump says ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuwK1QipDDg
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Originally Posted by
Rogersblue
Judicial system in USA is corupt and he's exposing it, along with the hypocrisy of the left and their media propaganda that they control
It's better than ours, just ask the Hillsborough victims ,we're kings of suppression, can you imagine some form of leader impeachment existing in our systems. 🤣
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life on mars
It's better than ours, just ask the Hillsborough victims ,we're kings of suppression, can you imagine some form of leader impeachment existing in our systems. ��
They tend to stop the undesirables before they get into office. They tried it with Trump, but some how they managed to fail miserably. That's what this mess is all about, he's now got the keys to the castle and all of the secrets. They need him out a.s.a.p. as he is very dangerous to a lot of people while he sits there in the Oval Office, so expect to see a lot more twisting and turning before we reach any possible outcomes.
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Wales-Bales
They tend to stop the undesirables before they get into office. They tried it with Trump, but some how they managed to fail miserably. That's what this mess is all about, he's now got the keys to the castle and all of the secrets. They need him out a.s.a.p. as he is very dangerous to a lot of people while he sits there in the Oval Office, so expect to see a lot more twisting and turning before we reach any possible outcomes.
F**king tell me about it :hehe:
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Heisenberg
F**king tell me about it :hehe:
In a nutshell, if Trump can prove what he said in the video above he wins. You can see how the press are against him from those articles you posted. They are referencing the same interview, but they pick out the worse things and don't touch the other stuff like the IT guy!
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Wales-Bales
In a nutshell, if Trump can prove what he said in the video above he wins. You can see how the press are against him from those articles you posted. They are referencing the same interview, but they pick out the worse things and don't touch the other stuff like the IT guy!
There was also one other person in court Tuesday who has been a Trump fixation. Imran Awan, the former House IT staffer whom the president has referred to as the “Pakistani mystery man” and turned into a target for conservative conspiracy theorists, was also in court for sentencing.
He was sentenced to time served and three months of supervised release in DC federal court for lying on a bank loan application.
The judge in the case, Judge Tanya Chutkan, criticized the “unbelievable onslaught of scurrilous media attacks” and “baseless accusations” that were “lobbed” “from the highest branches of government” on Awan, and defended the lenient punishment. Awan had “suffered sufficiently,” she said.
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
There was also one other person in court Tuesday who has been a Trump fixation. Imran Awan, the former House IT staffer whom the president has referred to as the “Pakistani mystery man” and turned into a target for conservative conspiracy theorists, was also in court for sentencing.
He was sentenced to time served and three months of supervised release in DC federal court for lying on a bank loan application.
The judge in the case, Judge Tanya Chutkan, criticized the “unbelievable onslaught of scurrilous media attacks” and “baseless accusations” that were “lobbed” “from the highest branches of government” on Awan, and defended the lenient punishment. Awan had “suffered sufficiently,” she said.
What else would you expect an Obama appointed judge to say? Somebody was hacking into the congress servers and gaining access to classified information from the members. Read the report!
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
What else would you expect an Obama appointed judge to say? Somebody was hacking into the congress servers and gaining access to classified information from the members. Read the report!
Could you please clarify which US law(s) he has broken stating the relevant clause number(s), the evidence supporting this claim of guilt, and details of any previous offences. Thank you most kindly, together we can make the world a better place.
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cyril evans awaydays
Could you please clarify which US law(s) he has broken stating the relevant clause number(s), the evidence supporting this claim of guilt, and details of any previous offences. Thank you most kindly, together we can make the world a better place.
Your talents are wasted on here!
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cyril evans awaydays
Could you please clarify which US law(s) he has broken stating the relevant clause number(s), the evidence supporting this claim of guilt, and details of any previous offences. Thank you most kindly, together we can make the world a better place.
:hehe:
Touche
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CNN.falling into the trap good and proper,:hehe:trust the plan,:hehe:think mirrors.:sherlock:
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Veg1960
:hehe:
Touche
Either that, or he is competing with lardy to be the most uninformed contributor, with close to zero knowledge on the subject :hehe:
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Either that, or he is competing with lardy to be the most uninformed contributor, with close to zero knowledge on the subject :hehe:
I don't know, some people are so fickle. Still I could always get a job flipping Weisselbergers I suppose!
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Things are getting tasty. The National Enquirer had a safe full of salacious stories that Trump had killed in his election run up and the boss has been given immunity to tell investigators all.
Also, this thread hasn't really given due attention to the fact that the US president was implicated as a co-conspirator in a crime this week. Has this ever happened before?
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
I don't know, some people are so fickle. Still I could always get a job flipping Weisselbergers I suppose!
Is there anyone left in his entourage who hasn't flipped? Rats on a sinking ship has never been more apt.
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Originally Posted by
lardy
Is there anyone left in his entourage who hasn't flipped? Rats on a sinking ship has never been more apt.
http://youtu.be/b5p7Lo0PDQA
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Attorney and Clinton advisor Lanny Davis who is representing Michael Cohen pro bono (for free), is co-founder and partner of the law firm of Davis Goldberg & Galper. According to FARA records his firm is a registered ACTIVE foreign agent for Ukrainian oligarch Dmytro Firtash, who is a close ally of Russian pres Vladimir Putin and is wanted by the US. Firtash was indicted by a US grand jury for allegedly conspiring to pay millions of dollars in bribes to Indian officials through US banks. He is also a former associate of Paul Manafort!
These cases were never about Russia? Oh yeah? :sherlock:
What these cases for are about were getting Trump out , a lot is being written in America on how forceful ,and what unusual measures of investigation were taken to get these guys ,some are saying it could look disproportional, to other investigation of a similar nature,which may well play into Trumps defense team when needed .