Saying you're proud of 50,000+ deaths on your watch is hardly much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
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Saying you're proud of 50,000+ deaths on your watch is hardly much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
But some people can polish a turd!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
This post of OM's was submitted on 11/03/20.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
11/03/20 - 6 deaths.
11/06/20 - 41,279 deaths.
He hasn't been seen for about a month, I'm hoping it's in shame rather than an ironic catastrophyQuote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
What did our clown of a leader come up with today? Can’t face watching the buffoon talk anymore. Wales still closed despite the lowest R number in the UK? He must love a queue going to be the biggest one ever seen for universal credit in a few months......
The lowest R number in the country with the most deaths per capita from this virus in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Remember when the tories produced their scoring system, there were recommendations about what the score should be be before things started opening up - England may have abandoned that system pretty much immediately for political reasons (it seems). But Wales seems to be more in line with that.
He's proud of his Government's record, you are here leaping to his defence. UK stand top of the league in deaths per million, you may think it's because our figures are more accurate, I happen to think it has plenty to do with sick old people being sent into care homes on the advice of our "Proud" (their word, not mine) Government.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
In some places in England, especially coastal regions like Blackpool and down in the South West, the R rate was around 1 a few days ago. So, Wales is at 0.7 (midpoint) which is fairly close to the 0.65 rate that Germany were reporting at the time of their lockdown easing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
My focus is on Wales and today 77 more cases, with Cardiff, RCT and N Wales featuring. I do not understand the logic of our 5 mile travel limit as it pushes the population of the hot spots together, thus increasing the likelihood of catching the virus. And our First Minister cannot justify this stance with any scientific evidence.
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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-health-crisis
R number risen above 1 in parts of England – Sage
The reproduction number, or R, of coronavirus across the UK remains between 0.7 and 0.9, while across England it is 0.8-1.0, according to the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies.
Sage also published regional values for R in England for the first time, with the South West having the highest range at 0.8-1.1.
The East of England is at 0.7 - 0.9, London, the Midlands, the North West and the South East at 0.8 - 1.0, and the North East and Yorkshire at 0.7 - 1.0.
But experts cautioned against the use of regional R values - the average number of people an infected to pass the disease on to - saying that as the number of infections falls, regional R values become less reliable.
Instead, from next week the government will publish the growth rates for regions that are based on data and make fewer assumptions.
I though it was Belgium with that unenviable distinction?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
I've heard him state that he is live in the Commons, last week or the week before I think it was (time feels seriously blurred at the moment).Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Semantics. True he's said he's proud of the Govt's response to the pandemic, but I think the OP was phrasing it to suggest he was proud of 40,000 deaths..Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
They're linked, no matter how some try to deny it.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
It is semantics. Of course, Johnson could never come out and publicly state that he's proud of a tally of 40,000+ deaths, but by stating he's proud of his government's response to the pandemic which has resulted in the highest death toll in Europe, he's effectively saying the same thing. To be honest, I initially thought he was taking the piss when he talking in the Commons the other week, but I guess that's just where we're at as a nation right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Is this true? If you are under 20 years old you have more chance of being killed by lightening than coronavirus?
pointless post as there is clearly nobody under 20 on this board. I'd guess the average age was 62Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Even armed with that information, I would suggest that many people under the age of 20 take suitable precautions during an electrical storm.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
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Originally Posted by jon1959
I think the rate in Scotland was at 0.7. So it does appear that a gradual transition from lockdown is having a better impact on infection rates than the UK Government.
So he is proud of a response that has led to 40,000 deaths? Implies that he was also proud of the response that resulted in covid patients being transferred to care homes.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Here is one story of the impact those decisions made.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...re-home-victim
https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-c...care-workforce
This is the Question Keir Starmer led with on June 3rd. A little provocative, but nothing below the beltQuote:
When adjusted for age and sex, social care workers are more than twice as likely to die from COVID-19 compared to the general population. In contrast, staff working in the health care sector do not appear to have a statistically significant raised risk of death compared to the general population.
This morning, The Daily Telegraph is reporting that the Prime Minister has decided to take “direct control” of the Government’s response to the virus, so there is an obvious question for the Prime Minister: who has been in direct control up till now?
And, Johnson's response
On the right hon. and learned Gentleman’s more polemical point, let me just say that I take full responsibility for everything that this Government have been doing in tackling coronavirus, and I am very proud of our record. If you look at what we have achieved so far, it is very considerable. We have protected the NHS. We have driven down the death rate. We are now seeing far fewer hospital admissions. I believe that the public understand that, with good British common sense, we will continue to defeat this virus and take this country forward, and what I think the country would like to hear from him is more signs of co-operation in that endeavour.
Yes, I agree about the five mile limit - I tend to be a bit more supportive of the Welsh Government than some on here and I'm with them when it comes to a cautious approach to easing lockdown, but the five mile limit just seems odd to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
News this morning that a wholesale meat market in Beijing in lockdown after a spike in cases. It seems two men who work at a local meat research centre had been at the market. Quite where they caught it is not known, but one suspects the ' meat research centre'...whatever that is!
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/strat...re-foundation/Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
The lightning statistic is shocking.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK
Belgium are counting all care home deaths in their official statistics whether there is evidence of covid or not, nobody else is counting it like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Ona like for like basis are very likely to be worse than Belgium (and the worst in the world)
https://twitter.com/Simon_Nixon/stat...665066497?s=20
Our Tory government, ladies and gentlemen.
Twitter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
A tweet linked to an article written by the well known anti government, anti Tory rag the Daily Mail.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Indeed. You know when there's been a serious cock-up by the government when the Mail reports it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
Statistics don't mean a damn thing if you are the one killed by lightning. I would think lightening (with bleach perhaps?) could also have fatal consequences?Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
With a UK population of around 58.2 million the risk of being struck by lightning (indoors and outdoors combined) is one person in 1.2 million and the risk of being struck and killed by lightning is one person in 19 million.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
That is regardless of age there is a 0.000083% chance of being struck by lightning and a 0.000005% chance of dying from it. In the specific age group of under 20 then the percentage risk would be even lower.
Based on the university of Cambridge analysis attached the 16% of 5-14 year olds and 13% of 15-24 year olds have been infected by Covid 19. For those it has been fatal in 0.001% and 0.0039% of cases respectively.
So it's not true.
https://www.mrc-bsu.cam.ac.uk/now-casting/
https://www.researchgate.net/publica..._two_databases
I bet you're great fun at parties :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
it's a prominent Times journalist commenting on a story in the daily mail.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
those well known lefty loonies
A tweet posted by the "Chief leader writer and columnist@TheTimes".Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
Imagine being this much of a bootlickerQuote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Good work Cyril, so how many people get killed by lightening who are under 20 in the uk? I missed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
For tonight’s assignment I would like you to tell me, im 19 years old am I more likely to either die from covid or sepsis?
What? You want to calculate an even lower likelihood of an under 20 year old being killed by lightning than from Covid? What point were you trying to prove when you asked whether your death by lightning question was true or not?Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
And you called me weird!Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...e%20per%20year.
On average two people a year die from lightning strikes - irrespective of age. Now, let's assume that this year both people were under 20. How many under 20s have died of Covid-19 in the last 3 months? More than, or less than two?
Now you talk about sepsis. What next, attacks from wilderbeest when hiking through the Serengeti? What are these comparisons trying to deduce?
Or attacks from goats perhaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO