The trouble is there will be no normality to return to as the global economy will have been wiped out, so what's your contingency plan for that particular scenario?Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
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The trouble is there will be no normality to return to as the global economy will have been wiped out, so what's your contingency plan for that particular scenario?Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Yes, goats off the ccmb, what's your contingency plan for the global economy having been wiped out AND DON'T YOU DARE TELL ME THAT YOU HAVEN'T GOT ONEQuote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
The simple way is to get anyone with an chronic underlying illness and put them in one place of safety and not let anyone in or out. That'll sort it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Of course the last time a particular group were treated like this the places of safety the were called concentration camps, so there might be a little political fallout until they all die natural deaths. But the government had over 4 years to ride out the storm.
I’ve been working on it all week in fact, I’m on page 268 of my report in to it, just got to run it by bo, Trump, Merkel and co then I’ll share it. To sum up, we just have to crack on as those under 60 with no issues don’t seem to get too badly affected mercifully.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Why will it be wiped out?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Are you really suggesting that isolating sick people (as per your own suggestion) is akin to concentration camps?Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
It's the preferred way!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
You underestimate CCMB delmbox and clearly hadn’t even considered concentration camps.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
lmao :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
Odd not to see any scientists at the briefing today.
From Welsh Office Minister David Davies in the Commons last week.
"We have made it clear that Welsh Government Ministers are welcome at Cobra meetings and the ministerial implementation groups, and we have actually asked if we could attend Welsh Government meetings in the same way; thus far we have not had a response.”
Seems Drakeford's protestations Wales et al being ignored may not necessarily have been accurate.
When was the last Cobra meeting out of interest?Quote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
In Northern Ireland......where shops are already open
Coronavirus: NI's hotels and bars can reopen from 3 July https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-53048414
......Meanwhile in Wales :tumbleweed::tumbleweed:
Not sure. When was the last ministerial implementation group, when were the last Welsh Government meetings?Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Little idea what a Ministerial Implementation Group is though there is a reference here in the UK Government update on how it will manage the response to the virus.Quote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/n...to-coronavirus
According to that The Prime Minister will continue to chair regular UK COBR meetings to take strategic decisions and review overall progress in the campaign to contain, delay and mitigate coronavirus.
It appears that the last time Cobra met at the pan-UK highest level body at the eye of the epidemic was May 10th.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...r-over-a-month
Probably why Drakeford was making the point and why Davies was so obtuse in the the quote you proudly posted.
northern Ireland where they are already down to 0 daily deaths Vs Wales which has 7 of the top 10 highest risk communities in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
I'm glad he is being cautious
"Proudly" post, eh? That's a bit of an assumption on your part, it's a discussion point.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Now, if Drakeford has refused to liaise with UK government, for example the Welsh Government meetings you'd not mentioned, then we're in the situation that whatever happens in Wales is entirely on Drakeford. That's a dangerous game he's playing if it backfires.
Me too! I'm getting to be a big fan of Mark DrakefordQuote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
It looks like the 2m rule is about to be scrapped in England and that flies in the face of scientific advice. I think Bojo and his merrie men feel the scientists have outlived their usefulness.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
WHO advocate less than 2m.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
:furious::furious::furious: that will save people from outrage at the governmentQuote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
The only thing Drakeford does consistently is confuse me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
Strong hints that non essential shops may open next week, but unless that is coupled with easing of this stupid 5 mile rule, places like Cardiff shopping centre will only pull local people in to shop. That's hardly viable for a commercial centre like Cardiff, it needs a bigger catchment area.
Schools to open soon, but a relative in secondary school tells me that she has been told to attend on one day a week only, and no need to wear school uniform....what sort of education is that? Might as well not bother.
Dentists opening up in England, but not so in Wales. Why? Are our dentists less competent than their English equivalents? Don't they have the correct PPE. It's an insult to the dentists working in Wales.
Buy a car in England, go whistle in Wales. Car showrooms are places where social distancing is unlikely to be a problem, except in Drakeford's eyes.
Cautious is an understatement, and it's not as if we have been all that successful handling Covid. some of the highest incidence in the UK in Wales, 1300 patients discharged from hospital into Wales care homes without being tested, low testing throughout Wales compared to UK, embryonic track and trace.
Nicola Sturgeon acts as if she knows what she's doing and where she's going. Mark Drakeford does not fill me with that sort of confidence.
Are you saying that if the Government didn't do it's job in acquiring doses of the vaccine (as yet untested) then it would be wrong to hold it to account? Who are you? Chairman Mao?Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
isn't this the same guy who was going out of his way to make excuses for Boris the other day?Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
Wales has 5% of the population of the UK and so far has had 2.5% of the deaths, to me that suggests that we have at least done better than England.
maybe we shouldn't be asking why we are opening up slower than England, perhaps we should be asking why England are opening up more quickly than us
The r rate in Wales is the lowest in the country, so Drakeford and his team deserve credit for that but I appreciate that those of you who are party political as opposed to being apolitical will find fault somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
However, the school situation is ridiculous from what I can see. Schools can open to 30% of capacity which, essentially, means that kids will attend 3 days every 2 weeks. Wouldn't it have been better for them to open schools to Y6, and then Y10 and Y12 fulltime?
The 5 mile radius thing is also a nonsense.
But, those minor things aside, the Welsh Government are continuing to follow the science. The UK Government are following the headlines/money/economy/votes.
And Northern Ireland, and Scotland.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Do you think England are getting it right?Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
With the lowest r rate though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
At Least 1m that's not necessarily saying it should be lessQuote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
And?Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
It’s wonderfulQuote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
https://amp.ft.com/content/43bb10de-...mpression=true
there's just feels like something vaguely dodgy about this, and the ventilator stuff. seems like lots of the companies involved were major Tory donors (just my impression)
God I'm such an amateurQuote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
Don't be daft. All four nations have been bloody useless. The only people to come out of it with some credit are front line NHS staff, and those who have kept day to day services going.Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
As for Wales death rate being lower, its a bit like saying we did well because we only lost 5-0, where England conceded 10 ...they are all bad results.
2 new cases NZ. From the UK.
https://www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject...rom%20%251%24s
I thought you'd have been in front of me with the concentration camp plan. It's for their own good.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Here's some good news.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53061281
Yet there's also bad news.
Drakeford's target of 10k tests per day by end of May failed dramatically, May 31st having only 2945.
Presumably Trampie persuaded them to only test really Welshie-Welshies?
https://gov.wales/testing-weekly-upd...20-coronavirus
About to post the same lets hope and prey , all these drugs are new as is there long term effects , this made interesting readingQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Some people question why the current coronavirus has brought the world to standstill while a previous deadly coronavirus, SARS, did not.
Others have questioned why a vaccine is so urgently needed now to stop the spread of the current coronavirus when a vaccine was never developed for SARS.
I study viruses and am so fascinated by their complexity that I have written a book about them. The tale of SARS and its new cousin that causes COVID-19, SARS-CoV-2, shows just how unpredictable viruses can be, particularly when they jump from animals to humans. Understanding emerging, infectious diseases needs to be a priority. SARS, which killed about one in 10 infected people, turned out to be highly lethal but ultimately, and somewhat mysteriously, disappeared.
https://theconversation.com/the-myst...e-other-137583