This is a very decent step in the right direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
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This is a very decent step in the right direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Wales care home sdeth statics not goodQuote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
England has reported the lowest rate of COVID-19 deaths per total fatalities in a study of European nations.
The study by the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) provides some welcome relief to the UK government which has come under increasing criticism for its handling of the care home crisis.
The research, using ONS data as of May 9, shows there were almost 7,000 COVID-19 care home fatalities in England, amounting to 21% of 33,000 fatalities. Wales reported a higher rate of 25%, while care home COVID-19 death rates in Scotland amounted to 45% of 3,200 COVID-19 fatalities as of May 10.
Elsewhere, the share of care home fatalities per total ranged from 37% in Germany to 66% in Spain, which had seen 18,000 deaths officially reported in care facilities as of May 11.
Rates were also high in France (50%) which reported more than 13,500 COVID-19 care home deaths as of May 11, Belgium (51%), Norway (61%) and Stockholm, Sweden (45%). Italy, which has Europe’s second highest overall fatality rate after the UK, was not included in the research.
While the European comparison favoured England, it should be borne in mind that the ONS is generally accepted to be underreporting the true number of care home fatalities with the latest estimates suggesting that the ‘real’ death number of deaths is more than double their figure.
England’s protection of its care home community during the crisis bears further scrutiny when brought into comparison with Hong Kong which has seen no COVID-19 deaths at its 19 care homes.
Professor Terry Lum of Hong Kong University told a UK Parliamentary Select Committee yesterday that Hong Kong had achieved zero deaths by deploying strict infection control procedures ignored in the UK.
Professor Lum said Hong Kong had focused on preventing the spread of the virus to care homes from hospitals with positive people quarantined for up to three months, The Guardian reported.
A Department of Health and Social Care spokesperson said: “This is an unprecedented global pandemic which can sadly have a devastating effect on some of our most vulnerable people.
“Since the start of this pandemic we have worked tirelessly to ensure our care homes and frontline care workforce get the support they need.
‘’We have set out a comprehensive action plan to support the adult social care sector in England throughout the coronavirus outbreak, including making sure millions of PPE items are available and using our increased testing capacity to test care home residents and staff regardless of symptoms.’’
The drug isn't new and has been used since the 50s.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
It's interesting that you labelled that as "Wales care home deaths not good", and it appears that the Welsh figures are second only to England in the article you have copied and pasted without citation.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Did you get as far as the caveat (half way down the article)
"While the European comparison favoured England, it should be borne in mind that the ONS is generally accepted to be underreporting the true number of care home fatalities with the latest estimates suggesting that the ‘real’ death number of deaths is more than double their figure."
Yeah, it's used for Lupus amongst other things. Wife used to take it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
yes i did see it still not good though is it ?Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
There was a bloke called Tell it like it is who used to post on here who had a wife with a similar affliction. You both have my sympathies!Quote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
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Please tell me you’re not Dembe reincarnated with an invented wife this time
No, not dembe. Sorry it's inconvenient for you my wife suffers lupus and fibromyalgia...
Dreadful disease, there's so many amongst us who have health problems like this, I am always impressed how they manage it , and just get on with life .Quote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
None of those figures were "good" to me, were any of the figures good to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
True, after all there's only one woman in Wales who had lupus. Saly for your investigative skills, my wife has never had fibro, luckily enough...Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Yeah, around 25 sufferers in every 100k in the UK which comes to less than a thousand in Wales. You and Tell it like it is should form a support groupQuote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
There was a Lupus South Wales group, folded a while ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
You carry on looking foolish.
PS, Lupus UK figures estimate around 50k people with it in UK, higher than "25 in every 100k" as you claim.
Doesn't it cause mental problems too? Selena Gomez has bipolar and some people speculated that her lupus hid itQuote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Don't blame public for spread of Covid 19 in UK;-
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-uk-scientist
The thing is though, there have been times on here when you come across as being more willing to excuse the 10-0 defeat than the 5-0 one. My mum was like that because she'd feel more sorry for the 10-0 losers and there was a time about three months ago when I felt a degree of sympathy for Johnson and co because, as a new Government, they had been dealt a terrible hand, but, that's long since disappeared. To continue the gambling analogy, the current approach of the UK Government when it comes to things like the measures they have approved with regards to coming out of lockdown at a time when the official (i.e. seriously below the actual figure) daily new cases figure is still always above at least one thousand and while there is only a track and trace programme that is accepted as being not fully fit for purpose for at least another fortnight (other estimates put it at September) is akin to someone trying to win a poker hand with a single pair.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
Why don’t they use a track and trace that another country use already? S Korea? Germany?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I've wondered that myself. Surely it's cheaper and quicker than developing from scratch? I guess it would need to be adapted to fit a different countries laws, etc. but the technology isn't going to be a problem. Just about everyone is on android or apple.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Boris and co are currently struggling in my opinion, maybe too cavalier whereas Drakeford is also struggling maybe too cautious. Many on this board will have a go at the Torys whatever they do so there is a built in bias. Ive tried to be balanced in my comments and sometimes get shouted down. England track and trace is not fit for purpose, same as ours, and its an example of why all sides have been bloody useless.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
To be fair to Boris he is trying to get the economy going again, and it looks as if opening town centre stores has been popular. Whether it will be a success in Wales, when for example the catchment area for Cardiff City centre shops will be restricted to five miles who knows? I was amazed to see Ken Skates on TV news yesterday saying that although Drakeford told the non essential shops to get ready to open on 22 June three weeks ago, they will not announce whether they can or not until Friday. It all depends on the R level.
Im sure you can imagine the work that will have gone into preparing to re-open the big Cardiff stores, pulling staff in, stock, social distancing procedures...and then it might all be blown away on Friday. Shows a total disregard for the economy of Wales, its people, and points to an off the cuff approach to things by the Senedd
As for the 5 mile, non scientific travel restrictions, its akin to herding large parts of Wales into their local hotspots, where we have to co-exist within places like Cardiff, Merthyr, RCT, Anglesey, Denbigh...no wonder the incidence in each keeps bubbling along. Whereas if you live within 5 miles of England anywhere along our 160 mile long border you can travel throughout England, shop, camp (from July 4), visit any beach. Its just a nonsense.
And don't say its for our own good because we all know the we have many of the worse hotspots in the UK.
Drakeford's needs to get an urgent grip on things and give the population of Wales a clear understanding of how things will ease together with dates.
On a personal note, like many Id like to see my family in Chepstow, I'd like to get my haircut, Id like to visit the dentist, Id like to book a campsite in Wales, ...just an indication of when this might happen would help us all.
And as a final personal note, my wife had a problem with a tooth. Her local dentist in Cardiff gave advice over the phone and recommended do it yourself cement filling. We tried it and failed. Currently nothing else can be done for her in Wales. So we found a dentist in Gloucestershire who thinks he can sort it. It needs an initial assessment, plus probably four visits to get the job done. Where is the scientific evidence that its oK to practice as a dentist in England but not in Wales. And don't say its to do with the R level, because apparently we have the lowest in the UK.
Five trips to England to get a tooth fixed...and yes we can travel because in Wales you can travel to visit health services not available locally.
And Drakeford's got much of the population of Wales thinking this sort of thing is normal and sensible?
Give us a break.
My mate had a dental problem and got seen 2 days ago.!!!!
Had to travel mind - 1 mile.
I suggested this at the time and got shouted down for itQuote:
Originally Posted by lardy
On the other hand, countries that are coming out of this situation the best are those who have been most cautious, who have been the strictest. Are you suggesting it is wrong to try and guard against a second wave? To me it seems as if England has decided to let anyone do what they want, go back to the herd immunity plan without actually calling it that, and will monitor that for spikes in R. Wales seems to be trying to control R to avoid spikes.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
The Dentist thing is one of the most annoying, what is the difference between one in Bristol or Cardiff? It’s complete farce and why many have lost faith in Drakeford. I suffer with gum disease I must of inherited, I need them deep cleaned every few months, lost 2 in the last few years and might well lose another now. Looks like I might have to go to Bristol for a clean!Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
The most annoying this is he can’t lay out a plan like say NI have done, so at least we can all make some plans for what might happen, ie like getting away for a week in July or August. The R rate is slowly falling in Wales so surely the brains behind him can see where it’s going. Apparently, he’s told caravan parks they can take bookings from July 10 but this should be made common knowledge else it will cause chaos if he announces it one Friday lunchtime, you can all go away now from Monday folks.....can you imagine the M4 gridlock?
Are all dentists not opening in Cardiff.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
You can get an appointment in Aberdare.
Drakeford's had the easiest possible ride in the local media. His policies or lack of them show a blatant ignorance and disregard for the local economy and how it's going to impact on people here, and he seems to take delight in his new-found power and authority. But what really takes the biscuit is last night's local news. Someone chap who's the "Welsh Economy Minister" warning about the damage to the economy a sudden halt in furloughing would cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
I've just had to book an appointment at the dentist for my wife in Bristol. I got a space at thr 5th or 6th attempt. The others said the backlog of appointment meant I could be waiting until September. I believe her you can only get an appointment for really urgent work and only the odd practice is open for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
It's interesting that, of most of the critics of the Drakeford approach, most need to go to the dentist. A colleague of mine visited a dentist in Bridgend with no issues at all. I also believe that dental practices in Bristol are not taking patients from outside the city - certainly the two I just called up to research the claims above said they were only taking patients that were registered with them, and from the BS postcode.
Drakeford currently presides over the lowest R rate in the country, and borders, to the South East, an area of England where the R rate is around 1.0. I appreciate the 5 mile radius seems unscientific to some, but far from herding people into hot spots, it is preventing the virus from spreading to other areas - particularly more rural and isolated areas that get inundated with visitors at this time of year.Quote:
Drakeford's had the easiest possible ride in the local media. His policies or lack of them show a blatant ignorance and disregard for the local economy and how it's going to impact on people here, and he seems to take delight in his new-found power and authority. But what really takes the biscuit is last night's local news. Someone chap who's the "Welsh Economy Minister" warning about the damage to the economy a sudden halt in furloughing would cause.
My colleague visited a dentist in Bridgend with no issues. Initially, he went to A&E because dentists were closed, but had his tooth extracted Tuesday.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
As for scientific evidence that shows that dentistry is safe in England and not in Wales - there is none. Both Governments will be acting on the same scientific advice, but it is down to their interpretation of what can be opened up and what can't. England has regions where the R rate is close to, if not at, 1.0. Wales does not.
A second spike would kill any hopes of opening up over the summer, and that would kill many businesses. My own company is basically saying that a second spike in the autumn or winter will kill us, and they are supportive of the Welsh Government approach.
Why will it kill us? There won’t be another national lockdown again....Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
I'm not an accountant, and am not privy to the figures for our company but this is what we are being told. Interestingly, our company are following the Welsh approach (even on sites in England)and, in fairness, were forcing people to work from home well in advance of the UK Government. But then, our CEO didn't spend most of February on holiday and didn't avoid meetings held to discuss the crisis.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Re the dentist in Bridgend, I believe that an extraction can be done as an emergency, but no drilling or anything that can create an aerosol. Dentists in England can do the full range apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
Looking at the number of covid cases in N Wales I expect our R number to increase when its announced on Friday
Clifton dental: 0117 973 7444Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
If you need a tooth removed maybe! I know what that’s like.....I just need the part where my teeth get the bugs scraped out so I don’t actually lose anymore teeethQuote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
I can't imagine it either to be honest, even if the numbers hit the 400's I think it'll be a case of the Government sticking their fingers in their ears and going LA LA LA LA LA LA LAQuote:
Originally Posted by goats
They've got to get Brexit done after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Think so as that's why the Torys won a majority at the General Elections. The country wants it doneQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Does Covid matter...of course it does big time, but lots of EU countries are getting back to normal and set to pull in the tourists, and no reason why EU negotiations can't be accelerated.
EU seems determined, even at this stage, to read us like a colonial outback, subservient to them and their laws.
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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
Andy Gregory
17 June 2020 15:10
48 minutes ago
Boris Johnson to spend nearly £1m on turning 'Brexit jet' red white and blue
The RAF Voyager aircraft, which is currently a shade of grey, is being refurbished at an airport in Cambridge, our Whitehall editor Kate Devlin reports.
Downing Street say the final cost of the rebrand, designed to “promote the UK around the world”, will be around £900,000. Opposition MPs accused the prime minister of an “utterly unacceptable use of public funds”.
The move comes two years after Mr Johnson questioned the colour of the Voyager and said he needed his own plane to aid the UK’s post-Brexit trade deals.
Get Brexit Jet Done!
A bit silly but in the great scheme of things at that level 1 Million is chicken feed. :hide:Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I will regret saying this - but the 2019 General Election saw just 67.3% of the electorate vote - and of those under 46% supported parties that wanted to 'get Brexit done'. No doubt Brexit was the biggest single issue in the election - and most parties (not Labour) had a clear and partisan position, but it wasn't the only issue. It was not a new referendum, despite attempts to portray it as such.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
Your last sentence has surely been lifted from the Daily Express? A strange mixture of naivety, British exceptionalism and victimhood.
It's the place Brexit appears to have in the Government's list of priorities and the way some people still bang on about as if it's more important than more than 50,000 people dying that I can't get my head around.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
Brexit has to be a higher priority, surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
We're talking about something affecting the entire nation for the long term against a relatively short term pandemic. Yes, deaths are obviously sad but no government can just drop everything and focus solely on the pandemic. End up with a massive backlog of things to then do afterwards.