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Re: Corbyn's interview (or non interview) with Sky on Sunday
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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 17:27
colonel
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 14:05
one one hand you suggest I'm wrong when I say the unions 'got their man', but then agree with jon1959 who makes it very clear statement that
the TUC supported Corbyn, the TUC is the mouthpiece for the syndicalist movement in the UK
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Re: Corbyn's interview (or non interview) with Sky on Sunday
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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 17:35
No problem whatsoever with Corbyn refusing to speak with the Murdoch owned media. He should though get himself a decent press officer with a human face like Owen Jones and do it sooner rather than later.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 17:18
I've tried explaining this elsewhere but people like Archie think that PR is for others and Corbyn doesn't need it.
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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 17:16
No, what i said was, your suggestion that Corbyn's PR team should go out of their way to dig up dirt on Corbyn was more than a little bonkers.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 13:03
I never said dig up dirt, I said manage the flow of information and put their side of the story out first
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Originally Posted by alfie sherwood wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 12:57
Put their side of the story of what though?
any story that could be misconstrued if it was written in a certain way. I've referenced hezbollah, now that story may be entirely innocent and I;m sure it is, but unless the story is widely publicised then the right wing press will have a field day
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Re: Corbyn's interview (or non interview) with Sky on Sunday
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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 17:38
Only yesterday feedy was saying:
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 17:15
it is strange that you seem to think the press won't attack him at some point in the future. I'd have thought you would appreciate that now he is leader they will do whatever they can to discredit him.
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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 17:12
Corbyn knows this as well as anyone and yet here's feedy today, accusing Corbyn of "disagreeing with a free press" for ignoring one idiotic Murdoch street presser.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 09:30
Corbyn is a socialist. pretty much all socialists disagree with freedom of the press, freedom of thought and freedom of expression.
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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 09:22
You really do have a problem with reality dont you.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 14 September 2015 21:26
have you thought of seeking help?
hitler was not right wing. plus there have been other examples where right wing governments haven't killed people. can you give me just one example where a socialist government hasn't oppressed its people
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Re: Corbyn's interview (or non interview) with Sky on Sunday
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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 18:09
the facts are these
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 15:14
the unions encouraged their members to join the labour party so they could vote; and
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 10:39
the unions wanted Corbyn as leader of the Labour party.
neither statement contradicts the other
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Re: Corbyn's interview (or non interview) with Sky on Sunday
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 18:13
Only yesterday feedy was saying:
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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 17:38
it is strange that you seem to think the press won't attack him at some point in the future. I'd have thought you would appreciate that now he is leader they will do whatever they can to discredit him.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 17:15
Corbyn knows this as well as anyone and yet here's feedy today, accusing Corbyn of "disagreeing with a free press" for ignoring one idiotic Murdoch street presser.
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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 17:12
Corbyn is a socialist. pretty much all socialists disagree with freedom of the press, freedom of thought and freedom of expression.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 09:30
You really do have a problem with reality dont you.
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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 09:22
have you thought of seeking help?
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 14 September 2015 21:26
can you point to any socialist state - and there have been many - which hasn't had to suppress its people to ensure the ruling vanguard party maintains power?
Eh???
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Re: Corbyn's interview (or non interview) with Sky on Sunday
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 18:13
Only yesterday feedy was saying:
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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 17:38
it is strange that you seem to think the press won't attack him at some point in the future. I'd have thought you would appreciate that now he is leader they will do whatever they can to discredit him.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 17:15
Corbyn knows this as well as anyone and yet here's feedy today, accusing Corbyn of "disagreeing with a free press" for ignoring one idiotic Murdoch street presser.
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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 17:12
Corbyn is a socialist. pretty much all socialists disagree with freedom of the press, freedom of thought and freedom of expression.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 09:30
You really do have a problem with reality dont you.
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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 09:22
have you thought of seeking help?
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 14 September 2015 21:26
can you point to any socialist state - and there have been many - which hasn't had to suppress its people to ensure the ruling vanguard party maintains power?
in the past you have claimed wales has a socialist governmnet.
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Re: Corbyn's interview (or non interview) with Sky on Sunday
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Originally Posted by Cardiff Irish wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 18:15
Only yesterday feedy was saying:
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 18:13
it is strange that you seem to think the press won't attack him at some point in the future. I'd have thought you would appreciate that now he is leader they will do whatever they can to discredit him.
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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 17:38
Corbyn knows this as well as anyone and yet here's feedy today, accusing Corbyn of "disagreeing with a free press" for ignoring one idiotic Murdoch street presser.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 17:15
Corbyn is a socialist. pretty much all socialists disagree with freedom of the press, freedom of thought and freedom of expression.
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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 17:12
You really do have a problem with reality dont you.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 09:30
have you thought of seeking help?
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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 09:22
can you point to any socialist state - and there have been many - which hasn't had to suppress its people to ensure the ruling vanguard party maintains power?
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 14 September 2015 21:26
lets start with East Germany....
17 of the 25 points of the NSDAP 25 point program were socialist in nature
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Re: Corbyn's interview (or non interview) with Sky on Sunday
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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 18:18
yes, we are well aware that hitler was a commie pinko compared to you.
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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 18:18
it is a government with socialist leanings. thankfully Wales is in the UK and is therefore a predominantly capitalist society restricting the detrimental effects of the Welsh Labour government policies.
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Re: Corbyn's interview (or non interview) with Sky on Sunday
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 18:15
the facts are these
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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 18:09
the unions encouraged their members to join the labour party so they could vote; and
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 15:14
the unions wanted Corbyn as leader of the Labour party.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 10:39
both are indisputable facts and both are what I said at the outset.
http://m.quickmeme.com/img/9a/9a6c4a...adf83e1840.jpg
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Re: Corbyn's interview (or non interview) with Sky on Sunday
like I said to Colonel, just because you repeat a statement often enough doesn't make it correct
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Re: Corbyn's interview (or non interview) with Sky on Sunday
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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues wrote on Mon, 14 September 2015 23:29
He's under no obligation to talk to people following him on the street, they continued to follow him and ask the same questions long after it had become clear he had no intention of talking to them.
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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Mon, 14 September 2015 23:22
He had answered the very same questions all day. He was being badgered by the press. No need for it. Little wonder we have such avscum press with apologists like you hanging around.
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Re: Corbyn's interview (or non interview) with Sky on Sunday
In recent years we've had a cabinet made up of pure Labour with shadow cabinet made up of Tory, a cabinet made up of Tories and Lib dems with shadow cabinet made up of Labour, a cabinet made up of Tory and now a shadow cabinet made up of labour.
It seems like gender equality is such a given that Corbyn not having women in the top jobs is a scandal but I can't remember any of those others being equal parts male and female. It also feels strange that we are judging the top jobs in a Corbyn cabinet as the top jobs in a Blair, Cameron cabinet - can I believe that Corbyn values international development as much as foreign secretary? Can I believe that Corbyn's cabinet will have the "lesser" roles far more involved than in other cabinets? Can I believe that the criticism from Tories and Blairites would not be happening if this was a David Cameron or David Milliband cabinet?
Regarding the actual video, "why won't you talk to the media Jeremy?" shouldn't translate into "I've ambushed you as you walk home alone in the dark and you're not giving me a quote that I can take to sky to get a big pay-check out of, why is that Jeremy?".
It seems that decent reporting is a thing of the past and it's a competition to get the most hits.
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Re: Corbyn's interview (or non interview) with Sky on Sunday
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 18:41
like I said to Colonel, just because you repeat a statement often enough doesn't make it correct
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 10:39
You're absolutely right about that. Here's the statement:
Glad we cleared it up, finally.
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Re: Corbyn's interview (or non interview) with Sky on Sunday
Sometimes Feedback is a sensible poster but sometimes he is so full of it it's unbelievable. Anyone who thinks been asked questions in this manner is acceptable is an odd person.
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Re: Corbyn's interview (or non interview) with Sky on Sunday
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Originally Posted by surge wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 18:57
Sometimes Feedback is a sensible poster but sometimes he is so full of it it's unbelievable. Anyone who thinks been asked questions in this manner is acceptable is an odd person.
And remember that time where he plainly claimed the unions asked members to vote for Corbyn and it turned out to not be true but he just refused to admit he was wrong about it?
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Re: Corbyn's interview (or non interview) with Sky on Sunday
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 18:10
colonel
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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 17:27
one one hand you suggest I'm wrong when I say the unions 'got their man', but then agree with jon1959 who makes it very clear statement that
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 14:05
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(I see you are still ranting on about the trades union movement - under the leadership of the TUC - being syndicalist. It would be interesting if it was, but it isn't - any more than Adolph Hitler was a cuddly leftie!)
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Re: Corbyn's interview (or non interview) with Sky on Sunday
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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 18:50
like I said to Colonel, just because you repeat a statement often enough doesn't make it correct
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 18:41
You're absolutely right about that. Here's the statement:
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 10:39
I was making a statement that the unions asked their members to pay £3 and join Labour and vote for Corbyn so that a union friendly politician could lead their party. The plan worked.
did (some of) the unions want Corbyn as their man? yes they did
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Re: Corbyn's interview (or non interview) with Sky on Sunday
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 19:03
like I said to Colonel, just because you repeat a statement often enough doesn't make it correct
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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 18:50
You're absolutely right about that. Here's the statement:
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 18:41
I was making a statement that the unions asked their members to pay £3 and join Labour and vote for Corbyn so that a union friendly politician could lead their party. The plan worked.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 10:39
And as it turns out you were incorrect because the unions did not ask their members to vote for Corbyn.
Glad we cleared it up, finally.
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Re: Corbyn's interview (or non interview) with Sky on Sunday
jon
I'm pretty sure Frances O'Grady came out in support of Corbyn although I appreciate that may have been a personal statement rather than a TUC endorsement.
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Re: Corbyn's interview (or non interview) with Sky on Sunday
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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 19:04
like I said to Colonel, just because you repeat a statement often enough doesn't make it correct
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 19:03
You're absolutely right about that. Here's the statement:
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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 18:50
I was making a statement that the unions asked their members to pay £3 and join Labour and vote for Corbyn so that a union friendly politician could lead their party. The plan worked.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 18:41
And as it turns out you were incorrect because the unions did not ask their members to vote for Corbyn.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 10:39
Glad we cleared it up, finally.
of course it is, the unions have given their preference and have made it clear who they think their members should vote for. members are free to vote as they see fit but when a union announces their preferred choice, it certainly is guiding the members towards voting a certain way.
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Re: Corbyn's interview (or non interview) with Sky on Sunday
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 19:07
jon
She did - and it was.
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Re: Corbyn's interview (or non interview) with Sky on Sunday
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 19:03
like I said to Colonel, just because you repeat a statement often enough doesn't make it correct
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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 18:50
You're absolutely right about that. Here's the statement:
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 18:41
I was making a statement that the unions asked their members to pay £3 and join Labour and vote for Corbyn so that a union friendly politician could lead their party. The plan worked.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 10:39
And as it turns out you were incorrect because the unions did not ask their members to vote for Corbyn.
I was making a statement that the unions asked their members to pay £3 and join Labour and some of them wanted their members to vote for Corbyn. I do not know how many expressed this want openly or how many, if any, did more than express this want.
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Re: Corbyn's interview (or non interview) with Sky on Sunday
"For a politician to complain about the press is like a ship's captain complaining about the sea." - Enoch Powell 1984
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Re: Corbyn's interview (or non interview) with Sky on Sunday
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 19:09
like I said to Colonel, just because you repeat a statement often enough doesn't make it correct
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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 19:04
You're absolutely right about that. Here's the statement:
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 19:03
I was making a statement that the unions asked their members to pay £3 and join Labour and vote for Corbyn so that a union friendly politician could lead their party. The plan worked.
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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 18:50
And as it turns out you were incorrect because the unions did not ask their members to vote for Corbyn.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 18:41
Glad we cleared it up, finally.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 10:39
Phew! We got there in the end, eh feedy?
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Re: Corbyn's interview (or non interview) with Sky on Sunday
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Originally Posted by jon1959 wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 19:09
jon
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 15 September 2015 19:07
I'm pretty sure Frances O'Grady came out in support of Corbyn although I appreciate that may have been a personal statement rather than a TUC endorsement.
its quite a statement though, coming from the head of the TUC. if Cameron made a statement you'd assume it was Conservative policy - or certainly on the agenda. I can't see why this is different as O'Grady is very influential in the TU movement.
