Suella Da Ville Can't Help Herself

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Chanted at the police I believe? Probably more based on their (incorrect) assessment that they let their country down etc. May be racist. What do you think?

Why are you asking me anyway? I have consistently pointed out that singing anti-semitic songs is racist. Cos it is. Not sure you've accepted that yet, mind.

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Earlier on you were denying claims that you’d taken a hell of a beating in this thread, why are you giving those who thought that a second chance to say it? Isn’t the truth that a tiny, tiny minority of the hundreds of thousands of pro Palestine marchers misbehaved whereas a a far larger minority (it may even have been a majority) of those laughably there to “protect the Cenotaph”, the sort of people who would have lapped up Braverman’s rabble rousing, were there to cause trouble? There were faults on both sides, but there were far more on the side which you have been, mostly, silent about.

A tale as old as time, the uneducated frothing at the mouth because a right wing politician along with right wing media lied and wound them up.

It's always the same virtue signalling by this group. Only give a shit about veterans one week a year but then go and vote for the same people that put them out on the street.

It'd be funny if it wasn't so predictable.

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Originally Posted by Doucas

A tale as old as time, the uneducated frothing at the mouth because a right wing politician along with right wing media lied and wound them up.

It's always the same virtue signalling by this group. Only give a shit about veterans one week a year but then go and vote for the same people that put them out on the street.

It'd be funny if it wasn't so predictable.

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Hasn't the penny dropped yet ?

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Earlier on you were denying claims that you’d taken a hell of a beating in this thread, why are you giving those who thought that a second chance to say it? Isn’t the truth that a tiny, tiny minority of the hundreds of thousands of pro Palestine marchers misbehaved whereas a a far larger minority (it may even have been a majority) of those laughably there to “protect the Cenotaph”, the sort of people who would have lapped up Braverman’s rabble rousing, were there to cause trouble? There were faults on both sides, but there were far more on the side which you have been, mostly, silent about.

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I'd be prepared to bet that were September 1939 to happen again next week then few if any of those pro-Palestine protesters would answer a call up, unlike a good majority of the right-wing protesters. Their motives and methods are crude, but it's from their ranks that our 'tommies' mostly come from..

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

I'd be prepared to bet that were September 1939 to happen again next week then few if any of those pro-Palestine protesters would answer a call up, unlike a good majority of the right-wing protesters. Their motives and methods are crude, but it's from their ranks that our 'tommies' mostly come from..

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.....or perhaps marching down Cable Street with Oswald Moseley?

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

.....or perhaps marching down Cable Street with Oswald Moseley?

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I don't doubt it, but at a time when fascism was on the rise in mainland Europe there were 'Moseleys' pretty much everywhere. The UK media has picked up on Moseley etc., in recent years and painted the fascists as a major movement in Britain. In fact, whilst Cable Street was no laughing matter, the brown shirts and their marches generally brought amusement to the general public.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

I'd be prepared to bet that were September 1939 to happen again next week then few if any of those pro-Palestine protesters would answer a call up, unlike a good majority of the right-wing protesters. Their motives and methods are crude, but it's from their ranks that our 'tommies' mostly come from..

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The right wing protesters out yesterday were mostly fat , pissed failures

You don't have to be that bright to get in the army but most of that lot would fail the mental capacity and fitness tests

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

I don't doubt it, but at a time when fascism was on the rise in mainland Europe there were 'Moseleys' pretty much everywhere. The UK media has picked up on Moseley etc., in recent years and painted the fascists as a major movement in Britain. In fact, whilst Cable Street was no laughing matter, the brown shirts and their marches generally brought amusement to the general public.

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I was laughing at the antics of those idiots yesterday, it was pathetic

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

I'd be prepared to bet that were September 1939 to happen again next week then few if any of those pro-Palestine protesters would answer a call up, unlike a good majority of the right-wing protesters. Their motives and methods are crude, but it's from their ranks that our 'tommies' mostly come from..

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Crude and mostly illegal if the 100 plus arrests is anything to go by

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

I'd be prepared to bet that were September 1939 to happen again next week then few if any of those pro-Palestine protesters would answer a call up, unlike a good majority of the right-wing protesters. Their motives and methods are crude, but it's from their ranks that our 'tommies' mostly come from..

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You’re joking. They’d be organising who would do what when we had been occupied.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

I'd be prepared to bet that were September 1939 to happen again next week then few if any of those pro-Palestine protesters would answer a call up, unlike a good majority of the right-wing protesters. Their motives and methods are crude, but it's from their ranks that our 'tommies' mostly come from..

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From the videos I’ve seen of the so called protection of the Cenotaph, any war would have to be going dreadfully for about half of them to receive a call up - plenty of middle aged men and older giving it large, it was pathetic.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

I'd be prepared to bet that were September 1939 to happen again next week then few if any of those pro-Palestine protesters would answer a call up, unlike a good majority of the right-wing protesters. Their motives and methods are crude, but it's from their ranks that our 'tommies' mostly come from..

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If someone were to rise up that wanted to exterminate a group of people, say from the middle east, the far right on this country would support them.

Oh.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Earlier on you were denying claims that you’d taken a hell of a beating in this thread, why are you giving those who thought that a second chance to say it? Isn’t the truth that a tiny, tiny minority of the hundreds of thousands of pro Palestine marchers misbehaved whereas a a far larger minority (it may even have been a majority) of those laughably there to “protect the Cenotaph”, the sort of people who would have lapped up Braverman’s rabble rousing, were there to cause trouble? There were faults on both sides, but there were far more on the side which you have been, mostly, silent about.

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"Hell of a beating". Give over. I've been consistent in calling out shit that needs calling out and it time you may realise that.

The far-right are idiots. I'm unsure on protocol for the events at the cenotaph on the 11/11, as I've only ever watched the event on remembrance Sunday which I assume is managed. The police didn't want them to attend though and the idiots reacted as idiots did, with violence. Even if the police were unfair or setting some kind of trap in not allowing people to attend, the various attempts to get at protesters shows that many were intent on trouble and rightly and understandable arrested.

So what did we learn? Not much. Far-right are violent idiots. Police continue to allow anti-Semitic chants, but seem to be clamping down a bit more on other behaviours, which is good. Some evidence of police treating different groups differently (they allowed protesters into train stations for sitdown protests for example), but otherwise seem to have done a decent job to keep people apart. My friend was at the event in Cardiff btw which I think seems to be far calmer than London and with less general unpleasantness.

This is the campaign on antisemitism's video of yesterday, which is worth a watch.

"Today, Islamist extremists, the far-left, and the far-right were out on the streets. What a day to be a Jew in London" Hard to disagree with that.

https://x.com/antisemitism/status/17...960873752?s=20

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

"Hell of a beating". Give over. I've been consistent in calling out shit that needs calling out and it time you may realise that.

The far-right are idiots. I'm unsure on protocol for the events at the cenotaph on the 11/11, as I've only ever watched the event on remembrance Sunday which I assume is managed. The police didn't want them to attend though and the idiots reacted as idiots did, with violence. Even if the police were unfair or setting some kind of trap in not allowing people to attend, the various attempts to get at protesters shows that many were intent on trouble and rightly and understandable arrested.

So what did we learn? Not much. Far-right are violent idiots. Police continue to allow anti-Semitic chants, but seem to be clamping down a bit more on other behaviours, which is good. Some evidence of police treating different groups differently (they allowed protesters into train stations for sitdown protests for example), but otherwise seem to have done a decent job to keep people apart. My friend was at the event in Cardiff btw which I think seems to be far calmer than London and with less general unpleasantness.

This is the campaign on antisemitism's video of yesterday, which is worth a watch.

"Today, Islamist extremists, the far-left, and the far-right were out on the streets. What a day to be a Jew in London" Hard to disagree with that.

https://x.com/antisemitism/status/17...960873752?s=20

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You’re talking as if yesterday changed nothing. It did, before the march we had senior police officers talking what turned out to be rubbish.

https://inews.co.uk/news/met-deploy-...o=in-line_link

The truth was that while it would be wrong to say the pro Palestine element were squeaky clean, the Police are now saying that it was the Cenotaph protectors who were the real problem yesterday

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2445662.html

As for “what a day to be a Jew in London”, I have sympathy for anyone who has felt intimidated by all of the pro Palestine protests, but I’ve also read of Jews joining the pro Palestine rallies and I wouldn’t mind betting that the proportion of Jews on the march yesterday was bigger than the proportion arrested.

On the other hand, if the estimates of 2,000 so called Cenitaph protectors is correct we’re talking about two to three percent of them ended up being arrested - even if we accept the lowest estimate of300,000 I’ve seen of numbers on the pro Palestine march it means.that something like ten thousand of them would have had to have been arrested to maintain parity. Despite this, we’re seeing some trying to make out both sides were equally responsible for the violence - this is clearly not true and your link is another example of the media telling us stuff that is not the reality of the position.

Meanwhile, the woman you have spent much of this thread defending is shamelessly doubling down on her rabble rousing.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2445874.html

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

"Hell of a beating". Give over. I've been consistent in calling out shit that needs calling out and it time you may realise that.

The far-right are idiots. I'm unsure on protocol for the events at the cenotaph on the 11/11, as I've only ever watched the event on remembrance Sunday which I assume is managed. The police didn't want them to attend though and the idiots reacted as idiots did, with violence. Even if the police were unfair or setting some kind of trap in not allowing people to attend, the various attempts to get at protesters shows that many were intent on trouble and rightly and understandable arrested.

So what did we learn? Not much. Far-right are violent idiots. Police continue to allow anti-Semitic chants, but seem to be clamping down a bit more on other behaviours, which is good. Some evidence of police treating different groups differently (they allowed protesters into train stations for sitdown protests for example), but otherwise seem to have done a decent job to keep people apart. My friend was at the event in Cardiff btw which I think seems to be far calmer than London and with less general unpleasantness.

This is the campaign on antisemitism's video of yesterday, which is worth a watch.

"Today, Islamist extremists, the far-left, and the far-right were out on the streets. What a day to be a Jew in London" Hard to disagree with that.

https://x.com/antisemitism/status/17...960873752?s=20

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You egotistical arse

You were wrong ff sake

Calling it out .....ff sake do you think you are on the telly with an exclusive or something?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You egotistical arse

You were wrong ff sake

Calling it out .....ff sake do you think you are on the telly with an exclusive or something?

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What have I said that was wrong?

No I don't think I'm on TV. 🤷

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

What have I said that was wrong?

No I don't think I'm on TV. 🤷

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Right sort yourself out

The time leading up to this march you have been prancing about in a black wig and a skirt ranting like your heroine suella

This is awful , hate march blah blah blah

It wasn't , much to your disdain and our grace as you would have been all over here like a rash

The far right were the problem and always were going to be

You were predicting blood on the streets , specifically the blood of people of Jewish origin and it didn't happen

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Right sort yourself out

The time leading up to this march you have been prancing about in a black wig and a skirt ranting like your heroine suella

This is awful , hate march blah blah blah

It wasn't , much to your disdain and our grace as you would have been all over here like a rash

The far right were the problem and always were going to be

You were predicting blood on the streets , specifically the blood of people of Jewish origin and it didn't happen

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I think you can tell the fact that someone is completely making something up by the fact that they attack strawmen, or in this case some kind of strawtransvestite. What an imagination you have.

I never predicted blood on the streets, I never said the far-right weren't a problem. They absolutely are. I've said there is a problem with a minority of people and some aspects of the marches.

And there is.

Stop making crap up.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I think you can tell the fact that someone is completely making something up by the fact that they attack strawmen, or in this case some kind of strawtransvestite. What an imagination you have.

I never predicted blood on the streets, I never said the far-right weren't a problem. They absolutely are. I've said there is a problem with a minority of people and some aspects of the marches.

And there is.

Stop making crap up.

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Nonsense

Your posts were right out of the home secretary's notebook

Like her you look like a chump

It would be good if you could both resign

You are sacked !

Knowing me Rishi Sunak Sacking You Suella Braverman!

Sue Ellen's been sacked (again). Will Rishi now claim he's acted decisively, for once?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You are sacked !

Knowing me Rishi Sunak Sacking You Suella Braverman!

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Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

From the videos I’ve seen of the so called protection of the Cenotaph, any war would have to be going dreadfully for about half of them to receive a call up - plenty of middle aged men and older giving it large, it was pathetic.

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Not the BBC, Sky or Guardian I admit, but a 4 min read..

https://unherd.com/2023/11/dont-be-f...rch-for-peace/

Being unemployed is a lifestyle choice!

Sacked twice, that’s some achievement. The most hateful, divisive HS of all time. Good feckin riddance.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Not the BBC, Sky or Guardian I admit, but a 4 min read..

https://unherd.com/2023/11/dont-be-f...rch-for-peace/

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Four minutes of wasted time, the usual one eyed stuff that has led us to what happened on 7 October - no attempt to try and find common ground and reads like it’s a game of goodies v baddies.