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The attendance figures based on tickets sold are what every club uses as their official numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
You must you seen the swathes of empty seats during night matches throughout the EFL - even you must have noticed that ?
We are no different.
I'm fully aware of how it works.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
If you're not seeing what I and many others are seeing, then so be it. It's no big deal if you wish to be in denial about the situation. But, while the figures themselves are revealing, what I'm seeing with my own eyes is far more so.
In terms of the actual figures, City are currently averaging 3,500 less than Stoke, 3,200 less than Bristol City, 2,500 less than Hull and 1,400 less than Pompey. Impressive? Sure...
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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
I know exactly what I’m seeing , Pompey are on a roll , first season back and whilst we are averaging lower that the clubs you have mentioned, there are plenty of reasons as to why our crowds are lower than theirs, which I’ve already explained.
Ultimately for a city of our size , our support had always been poor , but the fact remains that the attendance figures City are getting under tan are the biggest since I’ve been supporting them. It’s also worth noting that when the stadium first opened the family stand had 6,000 season ticket sales which were basically free to children. Take them off and it’s a different story altogether.
They're smaller than last year. And the year before. You know that, right? But fair enough. I'll let you prevail as there really is no arguing with such an illogical position.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Apathy is not spreading. Crowds are not getting smaller. People are not drifting away. TWGL1 doesn't see it, so it isn't happening.
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[QUOTE=TWGL1;5558217]Why do you keep on singling out the Trust? There are two other supporters’ organisations involved as well as elected FAB members that put their names to the letter.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Let’s not forget either that this is a facility okayed by the club, backed by the Government (and the previous one), designed to give supporters more of a say in the workings of the club they support. I get that not all supporters will be interested in interacting with their club, but there’s are those who are and they are almost being encouraged to do so in this climate of fan engagement. Back in the 80s when the Thatcher Government wanted nothing to do with football and those who went to games, nobody would have had a problem with supporter views being ignored, but it’s a different world now - a letter like the one sent to Ken Choo and Mehmet Dalman might be uncomfortable for them, but “incendiary”? Hardly.
At the meeting with supporters reps on 1 November, Mr Dalman was asked if a manager would be in place soon and it’s been reported that all he said was “no”. An answer like that is hardly going to shut up fans who are asking what he probably regards as awkward questions, but they spent a fair bit of their reply to the open letter telling us how they had set up a system whereby dialogue with supporters will be improved - having done so, they should be doing better than “no” if they don’t want to be attracting letters like the one they received ten days ago.
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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Last seasons average was higher than the two seasons before that and the highest for 8 out of the last 10 seasons and one of those was in the premier league :xmaswave:
Kinda blows your mind that I suppose
This seasons average season ticket sales are marginally more than last year and we know why walk up crowds are down this season dont we ?
Happy was, I concede, not the right word to use.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
But Bob's response seemed to suggest that Blue Matt could not be surprised at the comment because he had lost peoples respect
Most of us have used some intemperate langauage at times, but TheBirchgrovePub's rermark seemed completely unnecessary.
Certain posters simply cannot accept that people who have a minority opinion to the majority on this board existQuote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
Bob is one of them ,but he’s more subtle in his snide remarks
It’s good that Matt can think for himself more eloquently than me 🤛
I agree that the language was completely unecessary and weakened the point he was trying to make. Though perhaps because Bob was called a snide twat who should STFU by one of the main protagonists in this post only a few days ago he may have thought this level of discourse is the acceptable norm on this board these days!Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
Why is saying I find another poster’s argument absurd and I don’t respect it “snide”? I didn’t use the sort of language Elwood is talking about and I didn’t tell anyone to STFU like some do on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Do do you think that was my response his snide underhanded comments was not justified then ? You have a habit of being a wind up as well but you do it so often you’re best to ignore these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
No I think your comments were infantile and I think Elwood was quite within his rights to call out phrases like twat as eminating from an ignoramus.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Alright then :xmashehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
It's just a gang mentality on here, he has his sycophants, and if anyone disagrees they all jump on and tag team with nitpicking.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
[QUOTE=TWGL1;5558191]When did Tan buy the club - May 2010?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
[QUOTE=Baloo;5558259]I think Tan bought a 35% stake in the club in 2010 for something like £6/6.5m. TG became chairman.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Sometime later (I can't find a date online) he became the majority shareholder (i.e. owner) after buying out other major shareholders, and the rest is history!
[QUOTE=jon1959;5558260]OK, thanks. So unless I’m missing something according to those stats posted we averaged 20717 in 09/10 which preceded both of those events. Which is higher than several subsequent seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
100% agree with you in principle, it's just that personally I'm no longer that arsed with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
The red debacle was the kick in the cock for me, it illustrated to me what the club was about and how a(pathetic)the majority of the support was about it.
Ironically, I'm probably now less arsed about it than anyone.
[QUOTE=Baloo;5558261]I got the 19,400 odd figure by asking Google what our average league attendance was in 09/10, but my Rothmans Yearbook for that season confirms the figure of 20,717, so the point that we’re currently getting smaller crowds than we were before Tan arrived applies even more and I’d say we’ll struggle to finish this season with an average gate of higher than 20,717. Overall, I’d say it’s fair to claim that crowds have been bigger under Tan, but the trend is now definitely downwards and I’d argue that supporter morale is at its lowest now in the Tan era apart from, perhaps, during the rebrand.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Yes , sending strongly worded letter , not adhering to process .Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Surely the letter should have been sent to the club , if the response was poor THEN publish and they would have a point . ( Very few would care , even then )
These guys are rebels . One of them used to be a red..
I subscribe to the trust and have done for years , ( I bought a hat in the shop once as well )if they are going to be go about their business in such a kamikaze way , I might double my subscription. Alternatively, if they need attention so bad they can’t follow simple procedures perhaps I will remove my subscription and sit on my hands as CCFC is burning .
[QUOTE=the other bob wilson;5558267]I’d say most were ecstatic during the first rebrand years. It wasn’t the red that pissed fans off in the end, it was losing when back in the championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
The issue with the club is the two blokes who make the decisions for Vinny T don’t listen to anyone. At the very least the peasants in Wales. It’s death by a thousand cuts. The board aren’t arsed, the fans aren’t arsed. Anyone who’s left doesn’t have anything better to doQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
Last night’s was the smallest crowd for a league game at the CCS since December 2016.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
But, apparently, apathy is not spreading, crowds are not getting smaller and people are not drifting away…
Equally the apathy isn't just reflected in people not attending - the apathy is palpable in the ground itself - people seem genuinely resigned to our fate and accepting that we are in a bad placeQuote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
All the time the governance of our club are invisible and watching it dismantle from afar
It's crazy when it's their business and their reputation - its like they really don't care
Agree 100%, although at the final whistle last night there was genuine anger on display for the first time, with some people in the stands giving the players and management some proper stick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nobody's Rep