Re: New Party on the Left
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jon1959
I have spent at least 5 minutes trying to think that one through - and failed! :hehe:
Are Reform the Mexicans under Santa Ana, or the Texans under Travis, Bowie and Crockett?
After a 13 day siege the 200 odd Texans (and friends) in the Alamo were wiped out.
Somehow I can't imagine Reform as either an overwhelming force of victorious Mexicans, or as an heroic (in their myth making) and doomed group represented by John Wayne, Richard Widmark and Laurence Harvey.
Nigel Farage, Richard Tice and 30p Lee Anderson are more of a Carry On cast.
The Battle of Endor is a better analogy - where the Rebel Alliance defeats the Galactic Empire?
I'm giving this too much thought........! :hehe:
Yes maybe I was being too poetic. They're not the 300 Spartans either. Somehow I can't see 'our Nige" as Leonidas.
Re: New Party on the Left
Given the working class demographic of their support, and the desire to sweep away the old guard, Les Mis perhaps?
Re: New Party on the Left
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JamesWales
Given the working class demographic of their support, and the desire to sweep away the old guard, Les Mis perhaps?
Too left wing. More like Krystalnacht
Re: New Party on the Left
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jon1959
I was listening to a New Statesman podcast earlier this week - which was a long discussion with James Schneider, one time bag carrier for Corbyn and one of the main organisers of Your Party. The whole thing was interesting and informative - but towards the end they got onto the approach of Your Party to The Greens under Zack Polanski. It isn't Your Party (whatever it is finally called) policy (yet) but Schneider sketched out his preferred approach around collaboration and electoral pacts. He suggested that the two parties (and maybe some others) should try out joint primaries to select candidates for the mayoral elections the year before the next General Election - so that the best person from a pool (he suggest two YP and two Greens) is selected and all the parties in the process get behind the winner. That involves party members and supporters from the start and avoids reliance on tactical voting decisions by individual voters.
I don't know if that will happen (and be extended to the GE) but the fact it has been discussed so openly so early suggests it might. If it does the 'splitting the vote' argument Sludge constantly makes becomes an irrelevance.
Well quite frankly I would vote for a tin of peas if it kept out reform
Everything else in whatever order is irrelevant and if voting for corbyn had to be done to defeat NF consider me in but it would only be loan
Re: New Party on the Left
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Dorcus
Too left wing. More like Krystalnacht
Hey we are talking about Reform here!
If you want to come up with Your Party examples then start a new thread! 😜
Re: New Party on the Left
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JamesWales
Hey we are talking about Reform here!
If you want to come up with Your Party examples then start a new thread! 😜
I thought you were talking about Reform. Go on then let's have Les Mis or even Les Dawson
Re: New Party on the Left
The time it's taking to name the new entity is becoming is a bit of a farce. Abigail's Party perhaps.
Re: New Party on the Left
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Taunton Blue Genie
The time it's taking to name the new entity is becoming is a bit of a farce. Abigail's Party perhaps.
The founding conference has been organised for 29 and 30 November in Liverpool. The party name will come out of that.
https://www.yourparty.uk/conference
Re: New Party on the Left
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
Do you know what their actual membership is now Jon?
Re: New Party on the Left
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Elwood Blues
Do you know what their actual membership is now Jon?
I haven't seen any reliable figures.
Over 20,000 people joined up via the portal promoted by Sultana - that led to the fall out with Corbyn (then the make up with Corbyn). In typical fashion they are all members but their details are not yet accessible to Your Party! Since then there have been almost 6 weeks of the replacement (and working!) membership portal in operation. I have not seen any reported membership figures for people who have joined via that route.
Over 800,000 people registered an interest in Your Party over the summer.
13,000 members will be selected by ballot to take part in the founding conference in Liverpool at the end of November.
The Greens have doubled their membership to 150,000 since Zack Polanski was elected as leader - and some of those might have otherwise become Your Party members.
Party rules will prevent membership of other political parties as well as Your Party.
When membership figures are finally announced I would expect them to be in the 100,000 - 250,000 range. But that is just a guess.
Re: New Party on the Left
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
I haven't seen any reliable figures.
Over 20,000 people joined up via the portal promoted by Sultana - that led to the fall out with Corbyn (then the make up with Corbyn). In typical fashion they are all members but their details are not yet accessible to Your Party! Since then there have been almost 6 weeks of the replacement (and working!) membership portal in operation. I have not seen any reported membership figures for people who have joined via that route.
Over 800,000 people registered an interest in Your Party over the summer.
13,000 members will be selected by ballot to take part in the founding conference in Liverpool at the end of November.
The Greens have doubled their membership to 150,000 since Zack Polanski was elected as leader - and some of those might have otherwise become Your Party members.
Party rules will prevent membership of other political parties as well as Your Party.
When membership figures are finally announced I would expect them to be in the 100,000 - 250,000 range. But that is just a guess.
Thank you for your thorough reply Jon.
Personally I find myself surrounded by a plethora of political parties, none of whom I want to vote for !!!!!!
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More teething troubles - to put a very generous spin on it!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ent-infighting
Re: New Party on the Left
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jon1959
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-jeremy-corbyn
Looks like The Judean People's Front and The People's Front of Judea are at it again!
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Re: New Party on the Left
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jon1959
Its a bust flush surely
I think the problem is the egos there are huge and this talk of working class solidarity is just nonsense , its so student politics it turns people off
Re: New Party on the Left
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Elwood Blues
Thank you for your thorough reply Jon.
Personally I find myself surrounded by a plethora of political parties, none of whom I want to vote for !!!!!!
Vote Sludge
For A Better Tomorrow
Re: New Party on the Left
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Vote Sludge
For A Better Tomorrow
Might aswell…..:hehe::thumbup:
You could wear a nice rainbow tie depicting all the various party colours hey
Re: New Party on the Left
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goats
Might aswellÂ…..:hehe::thumbup:
You could wear a nice rainbow tie depicting all the various party colours hey
Well it might be that some sort of rainbow coalition ends up running the country
I would be entertainment minister and force everyone to listen to Machine Head
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Sort of peace broken out in Liverpool.
Confirmed party membership over 55,000 and rising.
Collective leadership agreed (not Corbyn and not Corbyn/Sultana) (Sultana win)
Joint membership (of other parties/organisations) agreed if transparent. (Sultana win)
Party name confirmed as 'Your Party' (another vote where I lost!).
Sultana making the running - which I think is a better sign than Corbyn (+ his 'staffers') winning the votes.
Sultana loves Corbyn though - so peace and love all round!
Both open to electoral pact with the Greens.
Re: New Party on the Left
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
Sort of peace broken out in Liverpool.
Confirmed party membership over 55,000 and rising.
Collective leadership agreed (not Corbyn and not Corbyn/Sultana) (Sultana win)
Joint membership (of other parties/organisations) agreed if transparent. (Sultana win)
Party name confirmed as 'Your Party' (another vote where I lost!).
Sultana making the running - which I think is a better sign than Corbyn (+ his 'staffers') winning the votes.
Sultana loves Corbyn though - so peace and love all round!
Both open to electoral pact with the Greens.
Its sunk
In Wales Plaid are pissed off that the boyo branch of your party seem determined to stand candidates which will inevitably draw some former labour voters away from plaid and clearly increase the chances of reform getting in
They are not making many friends
I hope they sink out of sight and if labour continue to sink we have the choice of plaid in wales or the greens in England to defeat reform
True socialism or whatever they want isnt the pressing issue at the moment , its keeping reform out !
How can there be talk of a progressive alliance with the likes of sultana and corbyn involved ?
Re: New Party on the Left
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
Sort of peace broken out in Liverpool.
Confirmed party membership over 55,000 and rising.
Collective leadership agreed (not Corbyn and not Corbyn/Sultana) (Sultana win)
Joint membership (of other parties/organisations) agreed if transparent. (Sultana win)
Party name confirmed as 'Your Party' (another vote where I lost!).
Sultana making the running - which I think is a better sign than Corbyn (+ his 'staffers') winning the votes.
Sultana loves Corbyn though - so peace and love all round!
Both open to electoral pact with the Greens.
55,000. A little bit less than they were expecting after the huge number who signed up with their emails
I think their shenanigans of the last few weeks (well months really) have put quite a number off joining up or pushed them into the hands of the greens.
Re: New Party on the Left
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SLUDGE FACTORY
If there was an election tomorrow I would rather vote for a left alternative to starmer but this corbyn thing would be a disaster
I would imagine Corbyn is too Far-Right for you, even the Marxists are Right-Wing in your eyes :hehe:
Re: New Party on the Left
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Wales-Bales
I would imagine Corbyn is too Far-Right for you, even the Marxists are Right-Wing in your eyes :hehe:
Corbyn is a clown
Re: New Party on the Left
Dunno what to think about Your Party. The Greens have clearly clipped their wings - indeed I just read on some borderline crank site on Facebook that Polanski is a plant to disrupt the rise of the left. I guess a Green would make a good plant?
But yeah, the Greens have stolen a lot of their thunder, most of it self inflicted from the fall outs, most of which seems to come from Sultana, as whatever else Corbyn is, he's a wife old owl and whilst I wouldn't say he would work with anyone, he knows unity is key.
We've seen it all before though. This isnt that different to the formation of Respect in 2003 or thereabouts, of whom I was an enthusiastic supporter. The key difference is Your Party has a small team of MPs already of course, placing them in a much better position.
I don't think this will go far though. If it did, they will need some kind of non aggression pact with the Greens, but that doesn't come without risks. Many Greens are of the ecological kind. Not dyed in the wool socialists, and many socialists aren't attracted to parties who would damage our industrial bases (what's left of them).
Re: New Party on the Left
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JamesWales
Dunno what to think about Your Party. The Greens have clearly clipped their wings - indeed I just read on some borderline crank site on Facebook that Polanski is a plant to disrupt the rise of the left. I guess a Green would make a good plant?
But yeah, the Greens have stolen a lot of their thunder, most of it self inflicted from the fall outs, most of which seems to come from Sultana, as whatever else Corbyn is, he's a wife old owl and whilst I wouldn't say he would work with anyone, he knows unity is key.
We've seen it all before though. This isnt that different to the formation of Respect in 2003 or thereabouts, of whom I was an enthusiastic supporter. The key difference is Your Party has a small team of MPs already of course, placing them in a much better position.
I don't think this will go far though. If it did, they will need some kind of non aggression pact with the Greens, but that doesn't come without risks. Many Greens are of the ecological kind. Not dyed in the wool socialists, and many socialists aren't attracted to parties who would damage our industrial bases (what's left of them).
Rosemary perhaps?
(One for the film buffs)
