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I wonder if the search has been scaled back or there is more of a concentration of using helicopters. The only vessel I can see on the water in the general area (from the Marine Traffic website) is an RNLI Rib (B 841) which is conducting a search along the Jersey coast from North of La Perruque to the East of St Martin and even that is now back in its base. The Flightrader website doesn't show helicopter activity but there are no small planes to be seen in the search area. What is going on? Have they given up? All speculation of course but it does seem odd unless there is something to report.
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Taunton Blue Genie
The weather in mid-Channel would be very cold indeed and I can't imagine that any investigators/rescuers really imagine that the two chaps could have survived after all this time.
Exactly.
Based on the four scenarios the police say they are following you have to think no. 4 is the real only option. For them to have landed and made it to shore somewhere you'd imagine the police would have checked there first.
Incredibly sad for all involved.
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Does anybody find it really odd that they have not revealed the name of the pilot?
Surely giving a name, what time you were taking the plane and it's destination would be a minimum requirement for a flight of this nature? Even for things like anti-terrorism measures etc.
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Vindec
I wonder if the search has been scaled back or there is more of a concentration of using helicopters. The only vessel I can see on the water in the general area (from the Marine Traffic website) is an RNLI Rib (B 841) which is conducting a search along the Jersey coast from North of La Perruque to the East of St Martin and even that is now back in its base. The Flightrader website doesn't show helicopter activity but there are no small planes to be seen in the search area. What is going on? Have they given up? All speculation of course but it does seem odd unless there is something to report.
Doubtful they would’ve given up at this time, should it be helicopter only then I would say that is a positive sign that someone has been found (dead or alive) and they can attempt to recover whatever or whoever they’ve found.
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The Bob Banker Spanker
Lost walkers probably, doubt it’s anything to do with Sala
Searching over Bristol Channel as well
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The Bob Banker Spanker
Lost walkers probably, doubt it’s anything to do with Sala
As you can see i dont post often anymore, just read.
However couple of things in this thread that given the awful topic seem to want people to speculate.. the following is not meant to be speculation but help clarify a couple of the points raised...
The FA20’s are not searching for anyone.. they fly odd paterns everyday, in formation often. - they are a combination of training flights / drills for unspecified military.
The searching UK aircraft and lifeboats are SAR (search and rescue form the Channel Islands) and RNLI respectively and they have spent the last two days in the areas already posted - and the SAR plane and helicopter still are. The RNLI are not
The plane is a US registered plane (c1984 vintage), but that’s a front for UK ownership - not easily traceable without speaking to the ‘ref holder’ in the US (probably operating out of Norfolk UK). The potential pilot’s facebook page seems to have been taken down, but so do many of the UK papers pages who overnight said he was the pilot.
The PPRUNE site listed is a bunch of so called pilots / pilots / people guessing the same as us. Without reading the paper history of the exact plane not much can tell them the service history. The exact plane is clearly known and its US reg available, it was not fitted with a ‘tracker’ for FR24 - the tracking site
Q
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Trigger
Definitely saw an interview with that guy where he said the same thing yesterday. May have just interviewed him again.
Lazy journalism. Just left it in and added the new stories underneath. This has been playing on my mind since yesterday. Last week I was on Twitter every 5 minutes for updates on Sala, now this week on there for totally different reasons. Numb.
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The Times is reporting that the plane belonged to Willie Mackay the Scottish football agent
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/s...ckay-28h7k8vc8
Emiliano Sala was travelling on a plane believed to belong to Scottish agent Willie McKay when he disappeared over the English Channel. The Argentine forward, who became Cardiff City’s record signing after joining the club from Nantes in a £15 million transfer last week, is feared dead after his light aircraft disappeared from radar screens, although a search has resumed this morning.
Sala was travelling in a Piper PA-46 Malibu aircraft, a single-engine, six-seat plane, with the pilot the only other passenger on board as he made the journey back to Cardiff on Monday evening after returning to Nantes to say goodbye to his former team-mates. The plane is registered to a holding company in Suffolk called Southern Aircraft Consultancy, with a registration number N264DB, but is believed to be owned by McKay, an influential and experienced agent.
McKay is not Sala’s representative, but was involved in brokering the transfer between Cardiff and Nantes and appears to have offered to arrange the player’s travel arrangements. The plane has yet to be found, but there is no suggestion that it suffered a technical fault or was unsuitable for making such a journey. McKay has excellent contacts clubs in the south of France in particular and has brought many French and African players to the Premier League over the years. McKay had not responded to The Times at the time of publication.
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Der Kaiser
Recovering the bodies.
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Der Kaiser
I think it means they are looking for dead bodies and not living people.
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LeningradCowboy
I think it means they are looking for dead bodies and not living people.
Cheers. Didn't want to jump the gun and just assume that is what it was. Very sad day.
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Der Kaiser
It means they are presumed dead
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Zenith
It means they are presumed dead
They may have been spotted and now need alternate vessels to recover them.
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Harry Paget Flashman
They may have been spotted and now need alternate vessels to recover them.
I wish this was the case, but sadly not.
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Boys, all I can think about is his mam & dad waiting desperately by the phone/refreshing internet pages etc.
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Zenith
I wish this was the case, but sadly not.
I don't mean alive.
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Dj's #3
Dalman has said that the plane was not arranged by the club but Sala made his own arrangements..
Reported that it was agents plane.
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Mafia? Anyone heard anything about sala's ex girlfriend saying it's the mafia? I just had a text off somebody?
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Probably bollux but not had time to trawl through all the pages. Sorry if already posted
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uncle bob
Mafia? Anyone heard anything about sala's ex girlfriend saying it's the mafia? I just had a text off somebody?
There will always be conspiracies but please, now isn't the time for them.
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Wales online reporting that the pilot was a gas engineer by trade..
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B. Oddie
There will always be conspiracies but please, now isn't the time for them.
To be fair, it is his ex girlfriend saying this stuff. Guardian article. Not that it gives it any legitimacy, but that’s not ccmb speculation .
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The Sky news tweet probably means they have found the bodies and will recover which ties in with my earlier post suggesting the search activity had been either curtailed or called off.
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If they have found the bodies the life boat and plane are still searching...... can be seen on trackers. They are doing search patterns / generally covering areas
I think recovery means they are simply not looking to find anyone alive now
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Optimistic Nick
To be fair, it is his ex girlfriend saying this stuff. Guardian article. Not that it gives it any legitimacy, but that’s not ccmb speculation .
OK, fair enough.
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No chance of fining anyone alive I guess. So sad.
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Quote from pilots forum
"It is understood Mr Ibbotson, had been hired along with the Norfolk-registered single engine plane, by Sala’s representatives to fly the player to Cardiff after he had said his farewells to team-mates at his old club Nantes.
Mr Ibbotson, who worked as a gas engineer based in Crowle, is believed to have had extensive experience carrying parachute enthusiasts on flights from private airfields.
One picture shows him him at the controls of a light aircraft in a selfie with a parachute jumper."
Ideal chap to be flying a complex single at night, IFR in dodgy icing conditions. Sala's reps and the owner of the aircraft have some serious questions to answer if this is true. After 30 years as a professional pilot with all the checks you have to pass along the way I can't believe that such stupidity is still going on. And organisations like Wingly, Grant Shaps red tape challenge and the supine attitude of the CAA have done nothing to enhance safety.
I am so angry at the death of Mr Sala. Save a few quid, probably break any number of laws, kill someone. What a disgusting waste of life and talent.
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I've just been speaking to a light aircraft pilot and they were aghast at the circumstances (35-year-old, single-engine plane, part-time pilot, in winter, at night) of this flight.
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/826101...dave-ibbotson/
Emiliano Sala’s Brit pilot admitted he was ‘a little bit rusty’ and kept flying ‘too high’ hours before doomed plane crashed in Channel
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Der Kaiser
It means they think they’re dead. It’s no longer a rescue.
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fred keenor
Quote from pilots forum
"It is understood Mr Ibbotson, had been hired along with the Norfolk-registered single engine plane, by Sala’s representatives to fly the player to Cardiff after he had said his farewells to team-mates at his old club Nantes.
Mr Ibbotson, who worked as a gas engineer based in Crowle, is believed to have had extensive experience carrying parachute enthusiasts on flights from private airfields.
One picture shows him him at the controls of a light aircraft in a selfie with a parachute jumper."
Ideal chap to be flying a complex single at night, IFR in dodgy icing conditions. Sala's reps and the owner of the aircraft have some serious questions to answer if this is true. After 30 years as a professional pilot with all the checks you have to pass along the way I can't believe that such stupidity is still going on. And organisations like Wingly, Grant Shaps red tape challenge and the supine attitude of the CAA have done nothing to enhance safety.
I am so angry at the death of Mr Sala. Save a few quid, probably break any number of laws, kill someone. What a disgusting waste of life and talent.
It is registered in the U.S.
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B. Oddie
It is registered in the U.S.
it is a US registered plane from 1984... but to get around the rules of non US owner ship they set up 'lease' companies and this one is in Norfolk. Probably loads of planes registered there... gets around UK rules for commercial as well...... pilots etc
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Would like to also pass my thoughts onto Mr Ibbotson and his family/friends, he must have been in a terrifying situation and I am sure he did everything in his power to protect the life of his passenger, unfortunately if there are failures in safety management as we all know they usually fall higher up in the chain.
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Q
it is a US registered plane from 1984... but to get around the rules of non US owner ship they set up 'lease' companies and this one is in Norfolk. Probably loads of planes registered there... gets around UK rules for commercial as well...... pilots etc
I see. Thanks for that. It's more complicated than it would seem.
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An inexperienced pilot and a 24 year old plane owned by an agent who would probably have made millions from the transfer deal and 2 presumed deaths. The agent will have questions to answer when all this unravels. It's too early for recriminations but at some point supporters will feel angry about why Sala was allowed to be transported in this way. Certainly there will be questions to be answered when the time is right.
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RNLI boat now docked in Alderney Harbour and the SAR helicopter heading back to the South Coast.
I've been tracking most of the vehicles throughout the day (in between not doing much work) and in fairness they are covering a lot of sea. It is a big old sea though and I'm just not feeling optimistic anymore.
Losing faith and getting angry as to why this has happened.