Boris is back phew

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Originally Posted by trampie09

You can't assume that people who didn't vote want the same thing as people that voted for the side that came out second best in the popular vote stakes.
Nearly every election is won by a small percentage of the population that is how it works in this country, the winning party in most General Elections for example don't get anywhere near a majority of the total amount of people able to vote.

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I'll just say it once more. Referenda are for big important decisions that seriously affect a nations future. The people who vote want to change the staus quo, anyone who doesn't vote is assumned to not want to change the status quo. That is the whole point. So what you said cannot be assumed, is exactly what is assumed. It is the whole point of putting 1 question to a referendum, iot cannot be left to politicians to ovte on because the one single question is too big and too important.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

I'll just say it once more. Referenda are for big important decisions that seriously affect a nations future. The people who vote want to change the staus quo, anyone who doesn't vote is assumned to not want to change the status quo. That is the whole point. So what you said cannot be assumed, is exactly what is assumed. It is the whole point of putting 1 question to a referendum, iot cannot be left to politicians to ovte on because the one single question is too big and too important.

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Anyone that does not vote is not assumed to not want to change the status quo, they may have no opinion one way or the other or might genuinely don't know what way to vote.

The 'leave' vote in the Brexit referendum had what about 37.4% under your way of looking at things and the 'remain' vote about 62.6% because you are lumping the people that wanted the status quo to remain and people that did not vote all together.

So I take it that you think we should stay in the EU as 51.89% of the vote with a 72.21% turnout was nowhere near good enough for us to leave ?

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

A far smaller margin than the EU referendum which was hotly and sometimes violently disputed for years.
But as usual you conveniently miss the point.
if the old referendum rules had applied you would have needed aver 50 % of the "Available votes". In simple terms if there were 1000 peopole eligiblt to vote the people wanting the cahnge would have to number 501 at the ballot box. If 400 voted yes and 200 peole didn't vote then the yes vote would lose. so there would not have been a welsh assembly nor Brexit.
In the figures you quote we have the Labout party now governeing the county with a mandate from about 12% of the population. If there was a vote to scrap the assembly what do you think the vote result might be?

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Recent polls show most in favour of the Assembly. There is a small, but vociferous. Minority against.

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Originally Posted by Former Labour leader

Recent polls show most in favour of the Assembly. There is a small, but vociferous. Minority against.

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There is no point in closing it now. It exists and we have to use it to the benefit of us all.

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Originally Posted by trampie09

Anyone that does not vote is not assumed to not want to change the status quo, they may have no opinion one way or the other or might genuinely don't know what way to vote.

The 'leave' vote in the Brexit referendum had what about 37.4% under your way of looking at things and the 'remain' vote about 62.6% because you are lumping the people that wanted the status quo to remain and people that did not vote all together.

So I take it that you think we should stay in the EU as 51.89% of the vote with a 72.21% turnout was nowhere near good enough for us to leave ?

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What I think about staying or leaving is irrelevant. I don't see how you can assume my preferences from what I wrote.
The fact is that under the old rules the vote would have been to remain.

I’ve just caught up with Boris coronavirus briefing from yesterday. What a sterling performance (sarcasm). It was his usual display of style over any substance although understandably he was lacking a little bit of energy to support his bullshit. If his presence was to reassure all he’s back in the game, I have my doubts it’s worked. I bet Raab is glad though he’s not facing Starmer in PMQs next Wednesday.

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

I’ve just caught up with Boris coronavirus briefing from yesterday. What a sterling performance (sarcasm). It was his usual display of style over any substance although understandably he was lacking a little bit of energy to support his bullshit. If his presence was to reassure all he’s back in the game, I have my doubts it’s worked. I bet Raab is glad though he’s not facing Starmer in PMQs next Wednesday.

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Wasn't it a complete nonsense again? 40 minutes of complete nothing.

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

I’ve just caught up with Boris coronavirus briefing from yesterday. What a sterling performance (sarcasm). It was his usual display of style over any substance although understandably he was lacking a little bit of energy to support his bullshit. If his presence was to reassure all he’s back in the game, I have my doubts it’s worked. I bet Raab is glad though he’s not facing Starmer in PMQs next Wednesday.

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ant-outbluster

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Originally Posted by Veg1960

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ant-outbluster

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I'm guessing John Crace isn't a Boris fan?:biggrin:

That's a much more analytical and eloquent hammering. I'm surprised he's returned so early and can only surmise that his ego thinks his presence is going to reassure everyone? For me it has the opposite effect. I do feel though Boris the populist and the puppet master Cummings have missed an easy trick of wheeling out Boris on his return to frontline duty on a ventilator in order to garner some media support and deflect away his current inadequacies.

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

I'm guessing John Crace isn't a Boris fan?:biggrin:

That's a much more analytical and eloquent hammering. I'm surprised he's returned so early and can only surmise that his ego thinks his presence is going to reassure everyone? For me it has the opposite effect. I do feel though Boris the populist and the puppet master Cummings have missed an easy trick of wheeling out Boris on his return to frontline duty on a ventilator in order to garner some media support and deflect away his current inadequacies.

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Well it is The Grauniad, so I would expect a bit of bias.

I do like his writing style though, if you click on his name, you will find some more articles that he has penned.

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

I'm guessing John Crace isn't a Boris fan?:biggrin:

That's a much more analytical and eloquent hammering. I'm surprised he's returned so early and can only surmise that his ego thinks his presence is going to reassure everyone? For me it has the opposite effect. I do feel though Boris the populist and the puppet master Cummings have missed an easy trick of wheeling out Boris on his return to frontline duty on a ventilator in order to garner some media support and deflect away his current inadequacies.

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I know you despise Boris Johnson.

That is your right and he doesn't always help himself

But as someone who has several times had to spend nights at the bedside of someone fighting for life and depending on oxygen, I find your last remark in pretty poor taste.

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

I know you despise Boris Johnson.

That is your right and he doesn't always help himself

But as someone who has several times had to spend nights at the bedside of someone fighting for life and depending on oxygen, I find your last remark in pretty poor taste.

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I agree. It was deplorable. Whoever the writer is should be ashamed of himself.

Boris's boys being precious again are they?

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

I know you despise Boris Johnson.

That is your right and he doesn't always help himself

But as someone who has several times had to spend nights at the bedside of someone fighting for life and depending on oxygen, I find your last remark in pretty poor taste.

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That's awful that you and your loved ones had to go through that and I genuinely hope all is well now but to be honest that's got nothing to do with his tongue in cheek comment about Johnson and there's no real need to bring it up other than to find a reason to be offended

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Boris's boys being precious again are they?

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You are off again.

I probably dislike Jeremy Corbyn as much as you and some others dislike Boris Johnson ( and for the avoidance of doubt I am not a great fan of Boris).

If someone had made a similar comment about Corbyn I would have found it equally objectionable.

I am not a particular fan of Starmer either but he is a country mile ahead of Corbyn.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

That's awful that you and your loved ones had to go through that and I genuinely hope all is well now but to be honest that's got nothing to do with his tongue in cheek comment about Johnson and there's no real need to bring it up other than to find a reason to be offended

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I'm not really offended more annoyed that someone feels the need to stoop to that level.

You may feel there was no "real need" to bring it up.

I say there was no real need make the comment I the first place.

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

I'm not really offended more annoyed that someone feels the need to stoop to that level.

You may feel there was no "real need" to bring it up.

I say there was no real need make the comment I the first place.

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Then I call it a score draw. Good day to you, I hope all that were ill are now better :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Vindec

I agree. It was deplorable. Whoever the writer is should be ashamed of himself.

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YOU however, need to stop being so dramatic.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Who are you talking about specifically?

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Vindec, are you ever going to answer this?

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Then I call it a score draw. Good day to you, I hope all that were ill are now better :thumbup:

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Thank you for your good wishes.

Yes she is better,but can't afford to catch the virus.

They wouldn't put her on a ventilator 18 months
ago because they though once she was on she'd never come off.

She would have no chance of going on one now.

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

I know you despise Boris Johnson.

That is your right and he doesn't always help himself

But as someone who has several times had to spend nights at the bedside of someone fighting for life and depending on oxygen, I find your last remark in pretty poor taste.

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Elwood Blues, a sincere apology if I've offended you or caused any upset.

It's wasn't my intention and I hope your loved one is well.

My comment is obviously a flippant observation on Boris's populist political actions and the way he's embellished or lied about other things in the past for political or personal gain.

Regards butty.

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Originally Posted by Vindec

I agree. It was deplorable. Whoever the writer is should be ashamed of himself.

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Ashamed of myself? Go on tell me why?

Yesterday, Johnson took time out of his busy schedule to talk to the nation. He was asked by a Cornish lady "I am getting lots of people trying to book my cottage for the summer. This makes me worried that there could be a spike in cases in Cornwall in the summer. How will you stop this?".

Johnson didn't answer that question, but one about tourism in general.

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

Ashamed of myself? Go on tell me why?

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If you need to ask that a man was who nearly died was used in order to gain media support then I feel sorry for you. If you can be bothered look at my earlier posts I'm no fan of Boris Johnson either but it is in poor taste to even suggest that he is being used for publicity purposes. Clearly my view is in the minority but that is how I feel.

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Originally Posted by Vindec

If you need to ask that a man was who nearly died was used in order to gain media support then I feel sorry for you. If you can be bothered look at my earlier posts I'm no fan of Boris Johnson either but it is in poor taste to even suggest that he is being used for publicity purposes. Clearly my view is in the minority but that is how I feel.

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Very noble but I think you are being naive if you think the return of Boris hasn't been stage managed for maximum impact.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

You are off again.

I probably dislike Jeremy Corbyn as much as you and some others dislike Boris Johnson ( and for the avoidance of doubt I am not a great fan of Boris).

If someone had made a similar comment about Corbyn I would have found it equally objectionable.

I am not a particular fan of Starmer either but he is a country mile ahead of Corbyn.

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What have Jeremy Corbyn and Kier Starmer got to do with it?

I also don't see why a joke about Boris Johnson being wheeled out whilst on a ventillator is offensive tbh. He isn't wishing ill on him or anyone on a ventillator. I don't see how it has anything to do with your relative either.

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Originally Posted by Vindec

If you need to ask that a man was who nearly died was used in order to gain media support then I feel sorry for you. If you can be bothered look at my earlier posts I'm no fan of Boris Johnson either but it is in poor taste to even suggest that he is being used for publicity purposes. Clearly my view is in the minority but that is how I feel.

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Serious question. Do you think Boris return hasn't been used to gain media support? Isn't there an element of truth to my observation? I wonder who stood in front of a red bus and promised £350 million to the NHS for political and personal gain?

Poor taste? Not your taste you mean and means you can act all outraged.

Vindec would have a heart attack if he ever heard any satirical jokes if that's set him off.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Vindec would have a heart attack if he ever heard any satirical jokes if that's set him off.

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I look forward to him telling us of his incandescent rage over Boris naming the pressing need to source and purchase of ventilators back in March as “Operation Last Gasp”.

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Originally Posted by Vindec

If you need to ask that a man was who nearly died was used in order to gain media support then I feel sorry for you. If you can be bothered look at my earlier posts I'm no fan of Boris Johnson either but it is in poor taste to even suggest that he is being used for publicity purposes. Clearly my view is in the minority but that is how I feel.

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"Nearly died"... You can't be talking about Boris Johnson as everything coming out of the Govt. was that he was fine and in good spirits, everything was just a precaution... Etc.

Either you don't believe them on that issue and Boris really was at death's door... Which means that you shouldn't believe anything else that they tell you...

Or you do believe them and he wasn't close to dying in the slightest.

I wonder which one it is...

Imagine being such a Tory you cry over a harmless joke ****ing hell, give your head a wobble.

How dare you say boris is gasping for air don’t you know my great aunt Mildred breaths sometimes!!!!

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Originally Posted by Veg1960

Well it is The Grauniad, so I would expect a bit of bias.

I do like his writing style though, if you click on his name, you will find some more articles that he has penned.

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Interesting writer and very open about his challenges:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Veg1960

Well it is The Grauniad, so I would expect a bit of bias.

I do like his writing style though, if you click on his name, you will find some more articles that he has penned.

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The Grauniad? Wasn’t Daustin Hoffenheim in that?:hehe:

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Then I call it a score draw. Good day to you, I hope all that were ill are now better :thumbup:

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Thank you.

Suffice to say Matt Hancock does a far better job at the daily briefings than the wafflemeister.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

It's often said labour voters are like donkeys and just vote labour because their parents did

I think that's complete nonsense , I dont vote conservative because I cant stand them , it's got nothing to do with my parents but they were labour voters

I would like to ask a question . If people in south wales vote on the whole for a party they feel represents them , the labour party , they are seen as donkeys

In england , apart from inner london and the inner city seats of the provincial seats , the tories rule . There are odd exceptions like exeter or oxford east but generally wealthy areas in england and country , farming type areas vote tory

Are these people donkeys too or is there are different rule for them ?

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Ney

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Originally Posted by Vindec

If you need to ask that a man was who nearly died was used in order to gain media support then I feel sorry for you. If you can be bothered look at my earlier posts I'm no fan of Boris Johnson either but it is in poor taste to even suggest that he is being used for publicity purposes. Clearly my view is in the minority but that is how I feel.

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You won't get your message over as there is a herd mentality on here , I get what you mean , a lot of the posts are smoke and mirrors, the loss of the Corbyn project has put them back years , and a hatred of Boris is very intense and real .
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Originally Posted by life on mars

You won't get your message over as there is a herd mentality on here , I get what you mean , a lot of the posts are smoke and mirrors, the loss of the Corbyn project has put them back years , and a hatred of Boris is very intense and real .
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To be fair, he’s a not a hard chap to to dislike.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

You won't get your message over as there is a herd mentality on here , I get what you mean , a lot of the posts are smoke and mirrors, the loss of the Corbyn project has put them back years , and a hatred of Boris is very intense and real .
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Don't worry, we'll move on from the herd mentality to something safer in a week.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

You won't get your message over as there is a herd mentality on here , I get what you mean , a lot of the posts are smoke and mirrors, the loss of the Corbyn project has put them back years , and a hatred of Boris is very intense and real .
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LoM, I think Vindec is having a hissy fit over my flippant observation because it suits him. I await his feelings on Boris using the term “Operation Last Gasp” back in March with interest.

Regards butty.