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Seems like the Ukrainians are fighting harder than anyone thought they could. Unbelievably skilled and brave. Seems like the anti war protests in Russia have been big, despite the fact that they've tried to cover them up as much as possible. Hopefully when the bodybags start turning up in their tens of thousands the Russian people will rise up.
l can understand the women and children wanting to leave Ukraine but not the men.
If this report (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVPTqHZqdz0) is correct then they won't be seeing many body-bags at all. Mr. Putin has already anticipated your thinking!Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisp_1927
Olive’s passing has really hit you, hasn’t it.Quote:
Originally Posted by stan butler
Jeez, that's absolutely chillingQuote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
A glimpse into the sick mind of Putin and his entourage?Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisp_1927
The russian money has been handed out long before the conservativesQuote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
BREAKING: Germany has announced its allies have taken decision to cut Russia from SWIFT
oh lordy here we go
Good stuff….just need china to publicly condemn them now. Maybe he will realise his massive mistake, even if he did withdraw I can’t see anyway forward for a Russia with Putin in controlQuote:
Originally Posted by MOZZER2
*Certain Russian banks from SWIFTQuote:
Originally Posted by MOZZER2
yes as per message from white houseQuote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...omic-measures/
According to Ursula Von de Leyen, they are going to remove selected banks from Swift and also prevent the Russian Central Bank from liquidating assets which I guess ( and I am sure someone who knows better than me will confirm) might mean that Putin won't be able to use the 600 million dollars of reserves he has.Quote:
Originally Posted by MOZZER2
* I put this up before I saw your other post with the Whitehouse statement Mozzer2
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/elonmusk?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@elonmusk</a>, while you try to colonize Mars — Russia try to occupy Ukraine! While your rockets successfully land from space — Russian rockets attack Ukrainian civil people! We ask you to provide Ukraine with Starlink stations and to address sane Russians to stand.</p>— Mykhailo Fedorov (@FedorovMykhailo) <a href="https://twitter.com/FedorovMykhailo/status/1497543633293266944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 26, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Starlink service is now active in Ukraine. More terminals en route.</p>— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) <a href="https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1497701484003213317?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 26, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Well done Elon, might not be everyones cup of tea, but swift action :thumbup:
gofer be a tad careful how you view footage/images coming out of Ukraine right nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
lots of propaganda from both sides especially on social media right now
4 images/videos i know of posted on main stream media and social media the last 2 days pretending to be current images of the conflict when in fact they were taken a few years ago
Very true Mozzer, we wouldn't want to be fooled by fake news and disinformation.Quote:
Originally Posted by MOZZER2
By the way, how are Guiliani's court cases coming along to get Trump back into power? I remember you saying many times that we were on the verge of seeing some pretty damning evidence.
Must admit I thought the same when I read that - what Mozzer says is correct in many ways, but ........Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
News of a strong German response in this piece about how things aren't working out how Putin wanted at the moment.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-pariah-putin
Liz Truss: Don't let a war get in the way of a photo opportunity. https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/...063208963?s=21
Plus a Tory MP tells the women and children fleeing war to apply for a visa to pick fruit.
Appeasing their right wing loons again.
This government are a disgrace. We should take as many refugees as possible, other countries are. Why not us???
Is it just a coincidence that groups such as conservative friends of Russia and their allies threw money like confetti at the brexit campaign ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ninian opinian
Because ......a Europe free of Britain's influence on the military front is a lot more appealing to mess about with by the chaps from Moscow .....
It's all bollocksQuote:
Originally Posted by ninian opinian
Yeah stick it to those nasty Russians
We will back you and give you safe haven
Possibly not
The concern is if Putin's plans go awry and he doesn't achieve his objectives as expected, he is likely to up the ante and deploy overwhelming force against civilian targets. The sooner the bulk of the population evacuate the country the better. The likelihood is that there will be a rump resistance force left which will bog the Russians down significantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I'd like to see some concrete promises by the west that we will pay and provide manpower to rebuild the cities of the Ukraine when they finally prevail over the Russians.
If they are going to have to blow up their own country to beat russia, it should be in the full knowledge that they will be helped to rebuild.
Andriy Zagorodnyuk, former Ukrainian defense minister, says Belarus is about to declare war on Ukraine:
"There is information about airborne troopers from Belarus loaded on the planes to enter Ukraine
not the news i want to see today
Yes, I know, you are right to point that out. This was a BBC piece which I would trust more than most but I suppose it provoked the thought in me that yes, if there are a fair proportion of young soldiers (conscripts or otherwise) in the Russian army, and they are not used to real battle conditions, then I could imagine seeing their close comrades blown to pieces or burnt alive in armoured vehicles, they might regard surrender as a preferable option? Leaving aside the fact that the thought of killing people who are so closely related to their own people would also have a severe demoralising effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by MOZZER2
I am no military expert by any means, but I would guess that in this invasion situation the defenders are more likely to feel that they are fighting a just cause rather than the aggressors who are probably questioning what the heck are we doing here?
I haven't seen any source for the "fruit picking" statement but David Lammy did mention it on the Sunday Morning programme on BBC TV this morning, so I presume it's true, in which case that is disgusting. As someone who has already brought a Syrian refugee family to the UK via the Home Office local community sponsorship scheme I will be writing to my MP to put pressure on the Home Secretary to announce a specific number of Ukrainian refugees that the UK will take so that local authorities and individual community groups can plan ahead. Without that information then little will happen sadly. I would urge fellow MB members to do the same - write to your MP, don't just whinge on a football forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninian opinian
Talks now supposedly on Belarus/Ukraine border. Ukraine you can bet your bottom dollar on will declare they no longer intend to join NATO, and who’s to blame them if they do.
He has since deleted the tweet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-devon-60545019
Russian nuclear deterrence forces put on “high alert” in response to “aggressive” NATO statements.
Jesus wept…someone needs to take the loon out before he goes too far…..Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
The UK Border Agency is turning back Ukrainians at the Paris Eurostar terminal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
What has Britain become?
Source please?Quote:
Originally Posted by ninian opinian
Brinkmanship is what he is all about. I think we would see another Operation Valkyrie style hit if he ever issues the order to go nuclear.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
lets not forget, we were on high alert for years, F 111 jets with nukes were left engine running at USAF Upper Heyford 24 hours a day :angry:Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I Once popped up to Upper Heyford ( part of the site was being used as a industrial unit ) a few years back, Myself and Youngest daughter went to collect a surf board from a courier who couldn't get it to us in time ( we were going on holidays in a few days ),after picking up the board We Ignored a " keep out " signs, weaved around some bollards and cones ( I might have had to jump out and move 2 cones ) and had a drive around the site, up and down the runway where the planes were waiting, took a picture of the " active runway sign " which is a canvas in my shed ( dont know why ? ? )
then went in one of the armoured aircraft hangers where the aardvarks were parked ( it was being used to store farm machines ), the old control tower was still standing, some of the concrete buildings were massive, I mean 3 M of concrete thick walls, then drove over to the old housing bit, they still had the supermarket standing ( also had a cinema on the site ), the old houses were being pulled down ( they are building a new posh estate on a bit of the site )
a fascinating site, spent 2 hours having a nose around, bumped into security who said as long as we didnt go into any buildings it was fine
saw a great painting on a wall ( which I later found out was a patch that the USAF crew wore ) it said " F111, Warsaw Pact central heating "
I believe the UK have tried to have the site a " world heritage site " to protect its history, but it failed, a shame really, as its a fascinating bit of history and with a little preservation could be a nice day trip out
This it would seemQuote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status...44090070872068
Whether the Border Force have actually stopped Ukrainians going onto Eurostar I have no idea, but......
RS Archer is apparently a fictional twitter id. The 'David Saunders' series of books he is meant to have written do not exist.
Fake news quite possibly
You can follow the Ukrainian President on Twitter https://twitter.com/zelenskyyua/stat...486641155?s=21
Very weak from FIFA, although they have said a full ban could follow later.
"Fifa has ordered Russia to complete their upcoming matches without their flag, anthem and as the Football Union of Russia in neutral territory, following the invasion of Ukraine."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60548685
Yes, as the article says, who would agree to be the neutral venue for a Russia game at the moment? Belarus? I hadn’t realised that all of the teams Russia could come up against in the Play Offs had refused to play them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland
And England now say they won't play any Russian sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I can see every country in the upcoming qualifiers and the World Cup refusing to play them. Knowing FIFA they will then all get disqualified for not playing and the "Football Union of Russia"will win the World Cup by default!!
Back in 2014 during Crimea invasions which the West did little about, Putin stated that freezing them out of SWIFT was a like declaration of war , Obama and West bottled it, interestingly his go to man with the Ukraine brief was Biden , so yes we know , and we're worried then ,however we should have called his bluff then ,not now some 8 years on ?Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Hunter Biden would be useful in all this he has down some good groundwork in the Ukraine.
Wales too nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
https://www.faw.cymru/en/news/faw-st...asion-ukraine/