Media spin , yep that’s what it (and it’s one sided )Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Wagner Group claimed it’s been liberated, not my own personal viewpoint but nice try (again)
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Media spin , yep that’s what it (and it’s one sided )Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Wagner Group claimed it’s been liberated, not my own personal viewpoint but nice try (again)
So in summary.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Joe Biden didn't say 100.000 Russian soldiers died at Bakhmut. Your statement that it implies 300,000 to 400,000 casualties was based on tosh, but you are not susceptible to media spin.
Similarly when you said "And he still had enough left over to liberate the place" that was not your personal viewpoint but somebody else's and nothing to do with you at all. (typo perhaps)
Out of interest what would you call it?
I’ve presented you a link which says 100,000 lost , so on that basis 3/400,000 casualties would match up., but I think there is significant media spin on this war from the start.( I assume you don’t agree) Not taking sides with this one , I’d prefer a peace deal sooner rather than later.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
The link you have posted has been released by Ukraine intelligence, so I’d keep an open mind on that from what we know
That's what I mean. You present yourself as impervious to confirmation bias from the media then post an unequivocal statement that "Joe Biden says 100.000 Russian soldiers died at Bakhmut" without any kind of sense check on whether it is accurate at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Please pass on the Ukrainian intelligence post but are you saying you still think Biden said 100k dead or are you keeping an open mind and might add the word (allegedly) next time you say it?
The whole thread is titled “allegedly” you absolute whopperQuote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
I know, I was just taking the piss that the last time you posted bollocks dressed up as statistics you thought putting the word allegedly after them gave you deniability. This time you stated baldly that Biden said 100k Russians were killed in Bakhmut even though that was bollocks as well. It's almost like you think that because the word allegedly is in the title it gives cloud cover for any old nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
And ? I’ve posted the link stating that and you don’t agree with it , that’s fine , isn’t it.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Here is is again
https://censor.net/en/news/3419775/r..._bakhmut_biden
So when you said without a link to anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Joe Biden says 100.000 Russian soldiers died at Bakhmut.
Wagner must have some size of a private army.100,000 dead implies 300,000 to 400,000 casualties. And he still had enough left over to liberate the place.
You neither thought that Joe Biden said it , nor thought that Bakhmut had been liberated?
Glad you cleared that up!
And? If it’s 100,000 casualties or 100,000 dead don’t you think ,it’s about time the whole thing was brought to an end ?Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66075786
Very hard to see any positive news from this snippet ….. and that’s what they are admitting on MSM
Could this be why Ursula von der Leyen retracted her statement last November.
https://news.sky.com/story/uk-and-na...llace-12919765
He also said he warned them that they needed to provide better training for their troops to stop them from suffering such a high weekly rate of casualties as that would risk them losing political support.
These loses are not freely reported
Has Mr. Z been thrown under the bus at Vilnius ? not sure but i think he wanted immediate membership.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
I know he got a letter of support!!!
has the west sacrificed Ukraine and for what, ?
Boom
Obama was desperate to have Flynn behind bars!!!!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Flynn on Ukraine:<br><br>“It’s a hub for human trafficking.<br>It’s a hub specifically for child trafficking.<br>It’s a hub for narcotics trafficking.<br>It’s a hub for weapons trafficking.<br>We know about our bio labs..<br><br>& there’s a lot of $$$ just flowing in…<br>It’s money laundering, u name it.” <a href="https://t.co/um1pbZeZJo">pic.twitter.com/um1pbZeZJo</a></p>— Patri0tsareinContr0l (@Patri0tContr0l) <a href="https://twitter.com/Patri0tContr0l/status/1683887082761072653?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 25, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...o-beat-russia/
The West doesn’t want Ukraine to beat Russia
Should we just abandon people of Ukraine?
Should the people of Ukraine just roll over and say…ok we agree to be part of Russia?
Would Russia be happy with that?
No one gives a F*** about You Crane anymore, an opinion not a dig of any sort.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
In view of the current world situation, it would appear that Ukraine is now yesterday’s chip paper, there is a slant to your post, and a fair one, and to answer in simple terms what happens in Ukraine personally I’m quite ambivalent towards the outcome, the country in which you reside in (on the basis of your user name) has been desperate for the escalation into a full blown war, which would then of course result in having countries taking sides, and obviously the UK siding with the USA, whilst far too old to be conscripted I would willingly still be prepared to take up arms to defend the UK in genuine defence of its sovereign status from outside aggression like those before me, however I am of absolute belief that UKRAINE has been used by AMERICA as a proxy, their citizens (young males) thrown into a meat grinder to further the interests of whoever controls the inner workings of the USA, the amount of young UKRAINIANS dead we’ll have to leave it, as the dis info from both sides make it impossible to take a reasonable estimation,
let’s put some FACTS on the table.
• The Obama presidency, overthrew the legitimate at the time, UKRAINE government who were Russian biased,
to install a west biased regime. This cannot be disputed by anyone.
• Angela Merkel agreed that the Minsk agreement was bollox to buy time. This cannot be disputed by anyone.
• The current resident in the white house threatened to withhold US money to UKRAINE, unless the prosecutor stopped investigation into his son’s dealings. This cannot be disputed by anyone. The video is still available to see.
This is not the first time that the US has overthrown governments in what is known as colour revolutions, IRAQ and LIBYA immediately spring to mind, they did fail in Syria however.
Back to UKRAINE, after months of gas lighting the masses, the truth is slowly coming to light and that Vlad and his boys have massacred the UKRANIANS and that the war is all but over, with severe embarrassment to the west and all who bought the propaganda, this isn’t endorsement of Vlad but just a bit of truth speak of the situation, ISRAEL has provided an off ramp for the west propaganda hoping that the public will now forget, and focus on ISRAEL, this MB is the perfect example,
The crime of the Biden family, and which will go back to OBAMA, and the Scamdemic is being exposed, be under no mistake these psychopaths who orchestrated these events will stop at nothing to hide the sins that they have committed against humanity, have you taken a side yet Hamas or Israel ? that’s what you’re supposed to do yenno
I don’t know your personal circumstances if you have siblings would you willingly want them to go over seas and fight for politicians ? my answer is 1000% no.
The US should **** off, mind their own business and stop interfering in world affairs, I have little doubt that if the US did this, the world would be a better place for everyone.
Stolen and fraudulent elections have consequences, you cannot tell the people, you have to show them.
Q
you mentioned massacred the ukrainians .Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
With so much BS coming out of Ukraine I ,m never sure what to believe in the main stream media or even the dark side media
I wonder what the real numbers of people from both sides that has died in this conflict ?
when ever I look reports state anything from 300,000 to 500,000 people
if that is true what a waste of life :angry:
Mozz, I got a new fone a few months ago, i have NO news apps on it, no social media accounts on it, the only weather app I have is the met office one, i take no mainstream news, i have to listen sometimes as Doris has it on, I download a podcast 4 nights a week so i can listen in the car to and from work, had a gutsful of it all, I subscribe to the Trends Journal, Celente is a bit of a basket case but his journal is often ahead of the news, I like the substack of Brian Cates and Toria Brooke, topped of with the vigilant news web site and a few telegram follows, i have occasional access to a twitter account i don't want my own. The world IMO is in a very precarious situation at the moment, lets see what happens and not forgetting the Q drop regarding IsraelQuote:
Originally Posted by MOZZER2
Future proves past!!!
Attachment 5838
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/ze...time-magazine/
Twenty months into the war, about a fifth of Ukraine’s territory remains under Russian occupation. Tens of thousands of soldiers and civilians have been killed, and Zelensky can feel during his travels that global interest in the war has slackened. So has the level of international support. “The scariest thing is that part of the world got used to the war in Ukraine,” he says. “Exhaustion with the war rolls along like a wave. You see it in the United States, in Europe. And we see that as soon as they start to get a little tired, it becomes like a show to them
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/ze...time-magazine/
Facts at odds with these narratives — such as that Ukraine has been taking unsustainable losses in combat, that we don’t have enough artillery shells to adequately supply them, that the billions we’ve been sending to Ukraine are falling prey to corruption — have been dismissed as “Putin talking points.” The critics who point them out are attacked as Kremlin apologists - sounds familiar.
Staggering casualties have decimated the Ukrainian army. Ukraine has refused to disclose casualty counts throughout the war, dismissing the increasingly-credible reports of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian casualties as Russian propaganda
I often read in the usual suspects rags of choice that Putin is brown bread and Ukraine are winning (sic), now the warmongering Biden administrstion is funding both sides of the Israel, Ukraine is yesterday's chip paper
That isn't unusual in war as the leaders don't want their own population to de demoralised. The Russians are hardly likely to publish accurate figures too.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Have a read of thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
https://time.com/6329188/ukraine-vol...sky-interview/
He deludes himself,” one of his closest aides tells me in frustration. “We’re out of options. We’re not winning. But try telling him that.
True, but the point being made, and which has been made consistently by some for 18 months now is western media has been feeding their audience with a non-stop one-sided account of this conflict. No doubt the fact that U.S, has spent over £100 billion on supporting Ukraine, the majority of which has been diverted into the pockets of the Ukrainian crooks who run the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
WaPo admits that Ukraine were responsible for the Nord Stream terrorist attack!
Ukraine, advised by their US handlers, sabotaged civilian infrastructure that provided millions of Europeans with energy, then blamed it on Russia.
Another Russian collusion story disappears
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ne-chervinsky/
Can someone let Greta Know, although TBF, cannot remember hearing a rant on this from her.
drip, drip,
We have it all
NCSWIC
been reading this this morning but who are Wapo ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
The Washington Post, anti-christ of the Main Stream Media, Mozz.Quote:
Originally Posted by MOZZER2
If you want a real laugh have a look at what the gifted and talented were saying at the time.
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...ines-Whodunnit
In fairness it was probably peak The Great Reset season (what ever happened to that?). Really laughable to see characters such as WalesBales, Clandestine and HyperboreanCCFC (the latter two personae unfortunately banned) exchanging complimentary and reinforcing views with the same frequency and manner that Peter Sellars changed characters in some of his films!
Washington post established 1877
Cyril, anonymous specialist political analysist from north of Castel coch.
Cyril is quite happy to dis the rag but ignores the story, where have we seen this before?, playing the man but not the ball isn't it? Waddya reckon Cyril is the story fake news or could it be factual and If so what's your view? Go on be a devil. To pre empt, yes the Ruskies started it and are the aggressor but is the USA fine and dandy to blow it up, Ukraine being a proxy of the USA.
🤔👍
More south of the Thames than north of Castell Coch these days, Nels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
Nothing wrong with playing the man in these little exchanges. Where would you be without your little barbs about Bargoed and Pontlottyn man for instance?
Perhaps you missed the irony of the WalesBales franchise spending years dissing the Washington Post as the CNN of the printed word for you to post something from it as if it came down in tablets of stone from Mount Sinai.
As it happens I think the story has credibility. Certainly more credible than your gifted chums spouting out that it was all Schwab's work. I missed the bit in the article where American handlers were mentioned though. Perhaps you can fill in the blanks?
How's your timeline going? Mine hasn't skipped a beat so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
There's none so blind as those who will not see. It's a lost cause mate, these people have absolutely no idea about what's coming next, so it's best to leave them to their own devices.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
That's it in a nutshell, like I said it's not that they are clever, people are just dumb. How many more events do you need before you change your mind?Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
All bets are off now that we have more info on the people involved, and the number of what-ifs have expanded greatly. Only a timeline will sort this one out, and all the cui bono instances will have to be analysed to see if any patterns emerge.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
ok...not in that thread but still hilarious!
Still think Ukraine are winning this one ,or have you moved into the next “current thing” as it’s no longer in the news ?Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Reasonable interjection. It's a bit unfair to take the piss out of WalesBales's ludicrous pronouncements when he is not around to defend himself!Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Seems to me his on point with quite a few of his pronouncements, credit where it’s dueQuote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
I think you and he shared an almost telepathic mutual admiration. You must miss him terribly?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Feck me I thought you'd retired ? At least you can all agree with each other .what a sweet little gang. My view ,no view , or cancelled view .Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Free speech eh .
You'll be telling us all that Hamas tell the truth about casualties next .
Huh, don’t miss anyone bra, but it great knowing most of the big hitters are way above their station , hence the obvious need for trolling from time to time.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
I remember meeting the big mouths from an old message board meet up years ago …the keyboard warriors certainly didn’t impress :hehe:
It was like Fraggle Rock at times, how come that’s almost always the case ?
Bit tetchy. Perhaps you want to try one of those chill pills you offer people.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Cool story though. Did you not have a good time at the meet, or were the other participants so overawed when WalesBales wandered in with his entourage of model girlfriends and sporting icons from his schooldays that you were ignored?