Official Ashes Thread

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Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland

It was sloppy from Bairstow, but who wants to see batsmen get out like that? He's not trying to pinch a run like a Mankad.

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Both sides reek of hypocrisy. Australia were caught blatantly cheating in South Africa, we had tears from Smith, Warner was supposed to be a changed man and they were going to become the best behaved side in the world, yet I’ve seen no evidence of a change in their approach. This team have shown a hard nosed, almost negative attitude which seems to be motivated by a desire to wipe the concept of Bazball out and that’s another reason why Bairstow was stupid - you should be on your guard against this team and not give them the opportunity he did.

As for England, I’ve already mentioned Broad having the gall to stand there when he was caught at slip, but I also remember from about fifteen years ago a one day international with New Zealand where there was an accidental collision between the batsman and bowler which ended with batsman being run out while he was on the floor. The umpires went out of their way to ask if Paul Collingwood wanted to withdraw his appeal, but he said no and, thankfully, England went on to lose a very tight game. I’m convinced that if the roles were reversed and it was Carey who was wandering out of the crease in the Australian innings, Bairstow would have done the same thing.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Both sides reek of hypocrisy. Australia were caught blatantly cheating in South Africa, we had tears from Smith, Warner was supposed to be a changed man and they were going to become the best behaved side in the world, yet I’ve seen no evidence of a change in their approach. This team have shown a hard nosed, almost negative attitude which seems to be motivated by a desire to wipe the concept of Bazball out and that’s another reason why Bairstow was stupid - you should be on your guard against this team and not give them the opportunity he did.

As for England, I’ve already mentioned Broad having the gall to stand there when he was caught at slip, but I also remember from about fifteen years ago a one day international with New Zealand where there was an accidental collision between the batsman and bowler which ended with batsman being run out while he was on the floor. The umpires went out of their way to ask if Paul Collingwood wanted to withdraw his appeal, but he said no and, thankfully, England went on to lose a very tight game. I’m convinced that if the roles were reversed and it was Carey who was wandering out of the crease in the Australian innings, Bairstow would have done the same thing.

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On the plus side Bob at least Stokes is showing hes not this sides version of Mike Brearley.🤣

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I'm convinced that if the roles were reversed and it was Carey who was wandering out of the crease in the Australian innings, Bairstow would have done the same thing.

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You could well be right. I'm not saying that England hold any moral high ground, I just think that's a crap way for any batsman to be out, even if it is technically correct.
Mind you, it has turned the match into quite a spectacle now!

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Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland

You could well be right. I'm not saying that England hold any moral high ground, I just think that's a crap way for any batsman to be out, even if it is technically correct.
Mind you, it has turned the match into quite a spectacle now!

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Great entertainment- pantomime villains, dropped catches, Broad's theatrics and Stokes going at it- great stuff.

No finer sight in cricket than Stokes with a bat in his hand holding his team together.

Long way to go yet though.

stuart broad will be a bit sore tomorrow

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Originally Posted by poc

stuart broad will be a bit sore tomorrow

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Broad can bat.
Playing himself in nicely.

Hundred partnership 👏

The convicts have complained about abuse from the long room.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Having witnessed pissed up Australians at their grounds they are taking the piss. Feckin snowflakes.

amazing knock

Stokes gone!
Fantastic performance, though perhaps not quite good enough to win it

Brilliant performance from Stokes.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

On the plus side Bob at least Stokes is showing hes not this sides version of Mike Brearley.🤣

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:hehe:

All of Stokes ashes centuries have come when the heat is on in the second innings

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Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland

It was sloppy from Bairstow, but who wants to see batsmen get out like that? He's not trying to pinch a run like a Mankad.

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I'm happy to see it.

Thought it was great play.

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Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman

I'm happy to see it.

Thought it was great play.

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Are you Australian ?

They are playing the England And Wales Cricket Board , who’s funding keeps Glamorgan afloat

A second test England could, and maybe should have won, the margin of defeat should have one or two in the England dressing room thinking that they won the game for the Aussies.

England could and possibly should have won both the tests. Playing Bazball is one thing but playing stupidly when they had Australia on the ropes in the first innings and with Lyon crocked is quite another. Very poor game management and I hope some lessons are learned although it is undeniably exciting.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Are you Australian ?

They are playing the England And Wales Cricket Board , who’s funding keeps Glamorgan afloat

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No Welsh through and through.

I know what the ECB is called and spent time at Lords and was amazed at all the references to Wales.

I don't get the love in for English cricket but not supporting them at football. How many on here would want England and Wales football team.

Despite the Bairstow dismissal its another case of what could have been. The collapse from 188-1 and Lyon injured was poor.

This England team is not far from being a really good one.

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Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman

No Welsh through and through.

I know what the ECB is called and spent time at Lords and was amazed at all the references to Wales.

I don't get the love in for English cricket but not supporting them at football. How many on here would want England and Wales football team.

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It’s a similar situation to supporting the British Lions at rugby

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

A second test England could, and maybe should have won, the margin of defeat should have one or two in the England dressing room thinking that they won the game for the Aussies.

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Thrown away wickets in the first innings proved costly.

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Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman

No Welsh through and through.

I know what the ECB is called and spent time at Lords and was amazed at all the references to Wales.

I don't get the love in for English cricket but not supporting them at football. How many on here would want England and Wales football team.

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I was brought up supporting the England cricket team in the knowledge that if any Welsh players were deemed good enough, they would receive an England cap. I did not have a problem with the team's name.

The same thing obviously does not apply to the English football team. Possibly because I was brainwashed by my dad at an early age to have an intense dislike of their national team, I find it hard to move away from this mindset. But it's the media hype for the football team that sticks in the craw. Especially when players like Rooney, Lampard, Gerrard were considered world beaters and odds on favourites to win every tournament in which they participated.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

It’s a similar situation to supporting the British Lions at rugby

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No it's not.

Apart from 'and Wales' on the small print of the letterhead, the England cricket team is just plain England.

All the emblems, all the iconography, all the songs and anthems, all the references (England, England, England...) are English.

The British & Irish Lions have four nations clearly represented on the badge, in the kit, and in all the cultural references.

Sure a few Welsh players have played for England (as have Irish, South African, Zimbabwean and others) and Glamorgan gets some financial support from international income - but that is nothing to balance the scales.

As a Welsh person I have never felt that England represented me. I agree with Flashman on this.

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Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman

No Welsh through and through.

I know what the ECB is called and spent time at Lords and was amazed at all the references to Wales.

I don't get the love in for English cricket but not supporting them at football. How many on here would want England and Wales football team.

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All the funding for cricket in Wales comes from the ECB, and it is a lot.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

No it's not.

Apart from 'and Wales' on the small print of the letterhead, the England cricket team is just plain England.

All the emblems, all the iconography, all the songs and anthems, all the references (England, England, England...) are English.

The British & Irish Lions have four nations clearly represented on the badge, in the kit, and in all the cultural references.

Sure a few Welsh players have played for England (as have Irish, South African, Zimbabwean and others) and Glamorgan gets some financial support from international income - but that is nothing to balance the scales.

As a Welsh person I have never felt that England represented me. I agree with Flashman on this.

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Don’t agree, as not every British Lions Team has had Welsh representation (or is guaranteed) so for me it’s along similar lines ( not exact) and as cricket is very much a minority sport (excluding the BCCI) it’s not going to balance up as a comparison.

Conversely, there have been plenty of Glamorgan teams with hardly any Welsh representation.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

It’s a similar situation to supporting the British Lions at rugby

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I don't care for them either.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

All the funding for cricket in Wales comes from the ECB, and it is a lot.

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So what?

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Don’t agree, as not every British Lions Team has had Welsh representation (or is guaranteed) so for me it’s along similar lines ( not exact) and as cricket is very much a minority sport (excluding the BCCI) it’s not going to balance up as a comparison.

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Different opinions - fair enough.

But, one nation and four nations:

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Don’t agree, as not every British Lions Team has had Welsh representation (or is guaranteed) so for me it’s along similar lines ( not exact) and as cricket is very much a minority sport (excluding the BCCI) it’s not going to balance up as a comparison.

Conversely, there have been plenty of Glamorgan teams with hardly any Welsh representation.

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When was the last time Wales didn't have a player on a Lions tour?

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Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman

So what?

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So, there is no funding for cricket without the ECB. There is no investment in facilities and the sport dries up.

I've played cricket since I was 7, and the entire time all I wanted to do was play for England. It has never been an issue for me, and every single kid I played with (be it for my club or county) had the same ambition. Cricket is not football, it is a closed shop due to the insane decisions of the ICC (and BCCI). I love cricket, it is a special sport in worse hands than football.

I remember playing an age group final in Aberdare in 2005, we'd finished by the time Giles hit the winning runs and everyone went mental. There were hundreds there, everyone went bonkers. I often see this issue on twitter etc and it is almost always started by people who fundamentally don't like cricket. "Maybe I'd be interested if Wales had a team" etc. Bollocks.

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Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman

When was the last time Wales didn't have a player on a Lions tour?

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March 2023 ?

https://www.rugbyworld.com/news/warr...players-153087

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

March 2023 ?

https://www.rugbyworld.com/news/warr...players-153087

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But they were represented in the wider touring party.

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Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman

But they were represented in the wider touring party.

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Either way there is no guarantee that a Welsh player would be picked , that’s the point

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

March 2023 ?

https://www.rugbyworld.com/news/warr...players-153087

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Never happened though did it.

I can't think of a single current Welsh player who is good enough to play for England. Back in the day we have had Hugh Morris, Steve James, Steve Watkin and Robert Croft who were good enough and should have played more but, apart from those mentioned, are there any Welsh cricketers who could have represented England but haven't?

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Originally Posted by Vindec

I can't think of a single current Welsh player who is good enough to play for England. Back in the day we have had Hugh Morris, Steve James, Steve Watkin and Robert Croft who were good enough and should have played more but, apart from those mentioned, are there any Welsh cricketers who could have represented England but haven't?

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Steve James im sure is English.

Of those Watkin was unlucky he didnt play more. I think Greg Thomas was unlucky as well.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

So, there is no funding for cricket without the ECB. There is no investment in facilities and the sport dries up.

I've played cricket since I was 7, and the entire time all I wanted to do was play for England. It has never been an issue for me, and every single kid I played with (be it for my club or county) had the same ambition. Cricket is not football, it is a closed shop due to the insane decisions of the ICC (and BCCI). I love cricket, it is a special sport in worse hands than football.

I remember playing an age group final in Aberdare in 2005, we'd finished by the time Giles hit the winning runs and everyone went mental. There were hundreds there, everyone went bonkers. I often see this issue on twitter etc and it is almost always started by people who fundamentally don't like cricket. "Maybe I'd be interested if Wales had a team" etc. Bollocks.

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Of course they fund it, its their product.

Doesn't make me want to support them and it doesn't make the team anything but England.

I've no issue with anyone who supports them if they are Welsh, Scottish, Irish etc I just don't get it. Admittedly I'm not a massive cricket fan but its great sport in the right circumstances and Stokes batting today was brilliant, I'm just glad they lost.

Just read the article and its a hypothetical squad. FFS :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Steve James im sure is English.

Of those Watkin was unlucky he didnt play more. I think Greg Thomas was unlucky as well.

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Steve James is from Lydney - loved him when he represented England though

A shout out to Hugh Morris too , who was instrumental getting the Sophia Gardens upgrade and plenty of international matches being played in Wales.

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Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman

Of course they fund it, its their product.

Doesn't make me want to support them and it doesn't make the team anything but England.

I've no issue with anyone who supports them if they are Welsh, Scottish, Irish etc I just don't get it. Admittedly I'm not a massive cricket fan but its great sport in the right circumstances and Stokes batting today was brilliant, I'm just glad they lost.

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They fund facilities, coaching, players, Glamorgan, the whole lot.

Also, your second point. Every. Single. Time.